! [G] Stylish's FPVods [06-10 Update] - Page 72

On May 22 2010 02:10 StylishVODs wrote:
Beenizzle, there is a specific way to play vs fast ultra builds. Flash has shown us some really good soft counters for it.

Watch Flash vs Type-B on eye of the storm or Flash vs Jaedong on odd eye where he uses the strat.
It's basically SK terran, taking controll of midgame to take out the third and then from 8 raxes keeping constant macro and then go in for the kill when his ultralisk-count isn't so large yet.

You only need dropships if he has only two bases or islands with lots of sunkens, otherwise don't waste any units into dropships or multitask once you decide to move in for the kill. Use all your units from the 8rax macro to crush him as soon as you get 2-1 upgrades while using d-matrix on your front marines.

Usually you can see that he's going ultra by scanning or scouting an early evo chamber before spire. You should tech up to vessel on 2 rax and add two ports, then add 3 more rax and then 2 more for 8 total. I wish I had more specific details right now but I haven't played for a long time so I have forgotten the exact details...

This is vs 3hatch openings into ultra.
Usually people switch to ultra after opening 3hatch, if he uses 2hatch you can simply open same as TvZ recent flash build (in the opening post) and cut scv's after second scv from expansion to add 2 raxes and attack with he first group of 12marines~ 3medics~ forcing him to be protective with mutas while you reinforce with 4 rax worth of units.

On May 29 2010 05:48 Omgoodnessess wrote:
Hey stylish do you have an replays of you use Flash's 3 rax pressure build and the mutas just tr to backstab you instead of defending his third? Because I've been experimenting with this build a lot lately and when i move out (like u said) with 20 marines 4 medics and 1 firebat, 3 out of 4 zerg opponents I play try to backstab my base. Even if i put turrets up before factory, he usually tries to just bypass the turrets and completely rape my scvs since I only have like 4 marines and 1 medic out by then. So, i return home with my main army like u said in the thread, and leave like 6 marines to take out the third expo. However, my economy becomes absolutely horrible compared to him only losing a third because of the huge loss in scvs

I've gone through your TvZ pack for examples and out of the 3 rax replays, the ones u have that are backstabs are NewHeartHJ and Beeswax. In the Beeswax replay, you actually never reinforce ur army and use the first group of marines to take out expansions and leave the would be reinforcements behind to fight the mutas. I dont understand how you were sure that he would backstab you and left a control group of marines behind. In the NewheartHJ replay, when the guy spawned his mutas at 7:00, he got to ur base at 7:25ish and u had one more round of marines than i usually have because of slight delay. Plus he only sent 6 mutas at first instead of rallying all 9y mutas to ur base.

Im really lost in how to deal with backstabs, and i am wondering why not a lot of players try to backstab you in ur 3rax replays. I guess its because im playing with lower level players than you, mostly C players. Advice please? Btw assume Fighting Spirit in all situations

On May 29 2010 06:41 StylishVODs wrote:
Omgoodnessess:
I usually follow a logic pattern when moving out.

• I move out to force him into making sunkens when I get my first 2 medics and 1 firebat.
  
• At the same time, I scout with an scv for expansions and place a bunker at my expansion.
  
• These first units are moved in a direction towards his natural.
  
• If his 3rd is close to his natural, or in a path that leads my units close to his natural, I will reinforce that army because then he will feel the threat of his natural being broken.
  
• If his 3rd is far away from his natural he will not feel preassured by my units so I will only send the first group out to take care of it. Unless I gather some information of his units moving towards my first group I will not reinforce.
  

Its important to have a bunker up at your natural. It's a safe haven for marines to be able to reinforce turretlines at the natural. This will also make it safe for mutalisk+lings to break your front, so the only threat here is 9 mutalisks flying over your turrets and into your main.

If you pull all main scvs to the natural and at the same time move home with most of your forces while leaving some to take care of his third, you will likely not lose too many scvs. Since they will be pulled to the safe natural.
This means you will mine from 1 base for a while but without that many scv losses. While his 3rd is going down. Then when your forces are back home you can chase his mutalisks away and use scvs in your main again while your small troop on the map looks for a possible new expansion of his.

One way to insure that he will not be able to do too much damage, is to first place turrets close to your macroarea, the barracks, so that newly made marines +2-3 turrets can defend any mutalisks trying to attack there. If you move scvs quickly he will have to attack buildings with his mutalisks while your 3 barracks keep making units that will not be sniped because you have marines and turrets close by.

This is very important because it lets your marinecount grow while he is in your base until you have enough to attack his mutalisks instead of being sniped off one by one.
If you feel confident in fending off his mutalisks with mewly made marines you might not have to pull your army back to your base but instead threaten his natural even more, forcing him into not only losing his 3rd but also putting down more sunkens.

If he loses his third and doesn't get another one up quickly you will be ahead if he does this.

I'll look for more replays where I play this style for you to studdy.
GL

On June 02 2010 11:00 Thesecretaznman wrote:
I'm not totally sure about this, but if your army can break into his base, he will lose more over any given period of time than you lose.

Think of how little zerg has in terms of buildings, in a destruction race, terran will just win.

And, if you can get even a few turrets up before his mutal arrives, you can still defend with a few mnm, unless he really knows exactly how little you have.

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