• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:21
CEST 10:21
KST 17:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!33Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week6Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7
StarCraft 2
General
SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) WORTEX 2026 - Hungarian SC2 Finals Budapest
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 540 Dodge This The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! Pros React To: Calm's Big Brain Play Vs Mini
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro24 Group F BSL LAN Party - Kraków 29-30 August - OPEN SIGNUPS Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Game Theory for Starcraft Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Violent Games and Crime Rate…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6423 users

[G] Self-Improvement - Page 3

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
February 07 2008 09:23 GMT
#41
I actually pay attention for a game and I realized I used space bar without realising it xD It was when I was too lazy to use the minimap to move my view to across a large distance. Waypoints are used in everything like repairing, loading dropships, getting scvs to mine after they're done building, etc etc.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
February 07 2008 12:16 GMT
#42
thanks im d and want to get to c and was wondering specific ways for me to improve faster
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
February 07 2008 12:45 GMT
#43
On February 07 2008 17:00 Shado. wrote:
Also... does anyone use the spacebar?


I use it all the time.
We make signature, then defense it.
JensOfSweden
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Cameroon1767 Posts
February 07 2008 12:55 GMT
#44
Good guide Chill, although I found the mechanics section a bit lacking. Maybe you could add a more practical approach on stuff like using F-keys, how good players/pros hotkey etc

Also if you by spamming mean spamming away the first minutes of the game I hardly think that's "beyond stupid". Every pro does it and it's obviously a way to warm up and get your speed going.
I have no idea what people mean anymore when they talk about spamming to be honest.
I am 250-300 apm, with the highest in TvZ/TvP and lowest in TvT (obviously) and I think this is almost the perfect apm-zone to be in for Terran anyways.
Well 300 would be optimal I think since there is so much shit that Terran needs to do and 200 apm won't usually cut it at better levels.

Anywho, I liked your article and the discussion about mindsets.
<3 Nada [On and off TL.net since 2002
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-07 13:59:16
February 07 2008 13:58 GMT
#45
On February 06 2008 03:55 grobo wrote:
Indeed a very good read, hopefully i can finally learn something.

The two problems i know that i have are the following:

1) I have a habit of trying to do everything as fast as possible even though i don't want to and i KNOW that it's keeping me from playing properly, but it's damn near impossible to "slow" down now that i have been playing like this for so long. I get so caught up in microing my units that i completely forget about my base which results in me having zero units once the others die.

2) I'm braindead and can not for the life of me learn simple build orders, I've been watching replays and VODs since forever but trying to memorize a build seems useless for me, the second i start playing my mind goes blank and i automatically build some other shit that has NOTHING to do with the build order i was supposed to do.


1) is something people usualy do because they are afraid of loosing units and thus stare at the screen even tough they don't acctualy do something that benefits the outcome of the fight. There is usualy the pre-setup (tank formation, mines) and the correction (classic marine attack lurkers and a part of the team moves aside) and that's basicaly it. Like with every habit you want to break you have to accept the possibility of fucking up. What you might loose is a few units or games, but you'll understand the big picture, the "what happens over time".

2) I think here's where chill's improvement guide has some great information. Winning is a path of trial and error. There is no need to learn a buildorder if you don't know what's it for. When your mind goes blank and you realise you do something that you don't benefit from watch the replay and do some reverse psychology on yourself. There was a reason why you did something you did, just because it was wrong, doesn't mean you had no reason. And with the power of replays you can point out those flaws and next time you're about to do the same mistake, you're able to remind yourself that this isn't as efficient as you think. Starcraft is a fast game were you not only have to learn what's right, but more so what's wrong.
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4527 Posts
February 07 2008 14:49 GMT
#46
This thread helped me reach rank B+ on Iccup. I owe this solely to you, Chill. Thank you.
Team Liquid
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
February 07 2008 16:07 GMT
#47
No problem, maybe you won't afk for a year this time when you hit A.
Moderator
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4527 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-07 17:15:52
February 07 2008 17:15 GMT
#48
I feel so inspired I think I will stay and I believe I was afk for 2 years x.x
Team Liquid
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
February 07 2008 17:27 GMT
#49
On February 08 2008 02:15 ret wrote:
I feel so inspired I think I will stay and I believe I was afk for 2 years x.x


Make sure your reps gets saved this time, we want a ret-pack!
We make signature, then defense it.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
March 19 2008 11:25 GMT
#50
So what DID we talk about? haha
I do remember the bit about mechanics and how it's a mindset and such but I feel like we talked about so many things that everything's blurry now.
Nevertheless, I agree with everything you say
Official Entusman #21
Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
March 19 2008 13:50 GMT
#51
Always wanted something like this can't wait to get it read (took a printout!)
Thanks Chill.
Koldblooded
Profile Joined July 2006
United States661 Posts
March 19 2008 15:08 GMT
#52
Good guide, thanks for writing it Chill.
By.Flash fighting
MoOnrai
Profile Joined February 2008
United States52 Posts
March 19 2008 16:22 GMT
#53
very good article
Been runnin for to long its time to give me mine.
SS[1]
Profile Joined January 2008
United States13 Posts
March 19 2008 19:00 GMT
#54
nice
Triggas know my Nometry
Lord_of_Chaos
Profile Joined June 2007
Sweden372 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-19 21:19:29
March 19 2008 21:17 GMT
#55
I also divide learning in two phases: strategical (call it mind, analytical or whatever.. you get the point) and mechanical.

You seem to view it like first you increase your strategical skill, which creates a demand for mechanical skill ("I know what to do, now I need to learn how to do it!"). You don't really adress what happens when you've filled this demand.

The way I see it this is what is going to happen, wether you start with learning mechanics or strategy is imo irrelevant:
Let's just assume we start with strategical learning, first you will increase your strategic understanding, creating a demand for mechanical skill. Basicly, you are losing games, and you know why. You just need to learn how to do what you already know.
So you increase your mechanical skill (wether this is by mass gaming, conscious speed practise or micro UMS).
Eventually you will increase it so that you create a demand for strategic skill. You are now playing vs better opponents and you start losing again, but now you don't know why, you need to find that out.
So you increase your strategical skill (be it by self-analysing, a tutor or watching reps).
Once again you're new strategical knowledge will create a demand for mechanical skill.
You increase mechanical skill.
You find yourself with a demand for strategical skill.

and so it goes on.. Naturally it could as well have started with mechanical learning. It's a never ending cycle. And ofc it's not impossible to learn both at once either, but I find that rare. Almost always you practise one harder than the other, be it consciously or subconscously.
Niji-z
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States208 Posts
March 19 2008 22:00 GMT
#56
Thanks Chill. I love your articles, and this one especially. I've been trying for years to figure out why I never seem to improve no matter how hard I try. I see that I have been focusing too much on mass gaming while not having any strategical understanding at all. It just seems that I have a bit of trouble understanding the "whys" of progamer replays and vods, so I never get much out of them.. But that might be because I never really watch them much. I get bored of just watching replays and I felt it was a waste of time when I could be gaming, but I am definitely going to try your method and really concentrate on the strategical aspect of zerg matchups.

Again, thanks a lot. <3
Rawr.
DevAzTaYtA
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Oman2005 Posts
March 19 2008 23:26 GMT
#57
wow, great article. sometimes i'd wonder why i'm so much worse at this game than i used to be in comparison to the top competition, but now i realize i have never really tried to get better - i just play. i'd say i have probably only watched about 1 of every hundred games i've ever played and only really watched replays/VODs if my /f list was watching them (aside from WCG finals). i guess getting good at bw was simply a side-effect of playing so much - one that wears off VERY rapidly after even a short break.
Retsukage
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1002 Posts
March 20 2008 00:29 GMT
#58
thanks, good article
To change is to improve, to change often is to be perfect - Winston Chruchill
DustFerret
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States60 Posts
March 20 2008 01:25 GMT
#59
Thanks. Very helpful article.

phase
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States399 Posts
March 20 2008 02:24 GMT
#60
Man good guide and read. Now you just need to break these categories down into smaller sections, and make guides on them too
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 39m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
summit1g4986
WinterStarcraft615
EnDerr 1
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 3482
Killer 926
actioN 552
BeSt 254
Larva 162
Leta 129
Pusan 108
910 49
Mind 47
HiyA 36
[ Show more ]
Bale 22
ZergMaN 17
Shine 13
yabsab 12
SilentControl 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 9
Dota 2
Fuzer 164
League of Legends
JimRising 675
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox555
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor55
Other Games
Coldzera 1064
XaKoH 359
KnowMe244
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1243
[ Show 10 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH379
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos887
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Weekly
2h 39m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 1h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 1h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 7h
GSL
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-27
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
RSL Revival: Season 6
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.