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Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
March 20 2008 02:36 GMT
#61
Worth the read.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
March 20 2008 05:17 GMT
#62
Chill; how do I love thee? Let me count the ways:

1) You rock
2) You own
3) You rox
4) You roxerz my boxerz *WARNING DONT TAKE LITERALLY*
5) You pwn
6) Uh..
10) This helped me alot!
Together but separate, like oatmeal
._.
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
1133 Posts
March 20 2008 06:26 GMT
#63
TvP nuking perfection strategy here I come.

Great guide.
:D
Skew
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1019 Posts
March 20 2008 08:09 GMT
#64
On February 07 2008 23:49 ret wrote:
This thread helped me reach rank B+ on Iccup. I owe this solely to you, Chill. Thank you.


LOL shut up jos... you just wanted to tell everyone you're B+. I know your dirty windmill ways.

In any case, the coolest thing in the guide that I saw was about macroing instead of watching your battles; It's the one thing that I always forget to do after I quit and come back, and it's so fucking important.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
March 20 2008 08:27 GMT
#65
I still do that -_- thats why when i tvz my min soars 4k sometimes haha
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
ClockworkBlues
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada74 Posts
March 20 2008 17:33 GMT
#66
Great read and great advice.

Thanks Chill.
senseGOOD
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Korea (South)51 Posts
March 20 2008 21:07 GMT
#67
Perfect Guide. I feel like playing StarCraft and it's finals week...
xiaofan
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States513 Posts
April 08 2008 23:23 GMT
#68
very nice guide
blind3x3
Profile Joined February 2008
United States49 Posts
April 09 2008 04:11 GMT
#69
how does this help at all if you dont know the fundamentals of the game? (like me)
In a world where only gosu survive, i would be dead
Groceryheist
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States57 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-13 07:47:17
April 13 2008 07:46 GMT
#70
On February 05 2008 01:37 Chill wrote:

I suppose this is just an elaborate “You can do it” message, but it’s true! Mechanics in StarCraft, at their very fundamentals, are very simple. We can all play quickly and accurately, you may just sometimes need to be reminded that you can.



I have a new sticky note on my monitor. It says "I can use the shift key!"
I am D again!
GearitUP
Profile Joined November 2008
United States337 Posts
December 23 2008 16:43 GMT
#71
This thread was mentioned in another and I just read it for the first time but it helped me sooo much. I need to bump this (even though it says old post). There is too much to learn from this, to all the people asking about, "what should I do when they do this" Whats a good build for this...These are all questions about trying to improve, I believe this thread is awesome and should be re-read by many.(Lots of the people in this thread have over 1k posts, time to let the newer guys read it)
If you guys truly want to improve this is definatly the thread to start at!
Own<Owned<Ownt<Pwn<Pwned<PwnT< YOU NEWB!
LundiZ
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden39 Posts
December 24 2008 00:50 GMT
#72
I'm a new member here and pretty new to competitive SC too. This thread still made me think 'why didn't I read this before?' Great job man.
twitter.com/lundiz
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2294 Posts
January 30 2009 07:40 GMT
#73
Something I would like to add that have helped me a bit, when u watch a replay, for example zvp. and ur a zerg player, try to vision only the Zerg player so that you see exactly what is going on. u dont have to watch both sides, just the one that interests you and that helps you see exactly what mistakes are made and how u could do something better.
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
January 30 2009 16:29 GMT
#74
very nice chill


edit: I went up from D to C

ty ty chill
cw)minsean(ru
Zerg_Sasuke
Profile Joined June 2008
176 Posts
January 30 2009 17:35 GMT
#75
Great Guide
^^
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
January 31 2009 01:19 GMT
#76
Great article. I was looking for concrete advice on how to improve and stumbled upon this thread. I've had trouble lately with winning games on ICCUP and once I managed to correct the misstakes I've been doing and win some games in that matchup I lose 10 games to another matchup at a certain map. But slowly and surely I've upped my play in a few weeks by alot and seeing this thread mention some of the methods I've been using is a great reassurence.

To actually get a good players assurance of what you're doing is right (aswell as the results in games and the feeling of having gained insight) is worth so much in this game since you often times get despaired about how you can't cope with some situations in the game.

I much appreciated the fact that this thread was very specific and I hope to further improve by using some of the methods mentioned here. Analysing pro games with the right mindset is something I've been unsure of (seing as it takes alot of time away from playing) and have had trouble with. But with this thread and how it phrased the connection between analysing and executing I've gotten motivated to actually go watch vods.

I really like when good players give concrete advice on how to improve (in a matchup or in general) since then you know it's true and can focus on acheiving that goal. This thread along with Nonys explanation of "Hungry toss" play have helped me reach another level in my PvZ games. I can now safely get into the mid game and be in a commanding position which feel great compared to when I used to get contained/overrrun without understanding why and having the confidence to deal with it.

Again, kodus for making such an informative thread. You rock!
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-30 23:48:21
January 31 2009 05:03 GMT
#77
This was a huge help.

Thanks Chill!
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
January 31 2009 07:55 GMT
#78

each victory is but a lesson for the defeated...
winning does little to improve ones skills it merely serves to bolster confidence.
yUse[GRand]
Profile Joined January 2009
16 Posts
February 02 2009 01:36 GMT
#79
chill i love you. <3
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is never try. -Homer Simpson
Bloodwolf
Profile Joined November 2008
Costa Rica32 Posts
February 13 2009 16:12 GMT
#80
This is a very good guide. Exceptionally motivational, and very deep as well. I find it very enlightening.
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