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i'm very bad at using defilers and dont seem to be very good at swarming and my fingers get tangled late game when i want to consume. Basically i dont know how to use defilers wat so ever.
should defilers be hotkeyed 1 or 4 or preference?
1 because of w and 4 because of g and c, but usually i put it at 1 but i kinda just group it with any hotkey except 3(lurkers).
When should i plague and when should i swarm?
It be preferable if some gosus told us how they use defilers.
Thanks tl.
heres a replay of my defilers at "best" :
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id be embarrassed to show any other replays T_T
please give tips on any other things u noticed besides defilers, but i mostly want advice on defilers
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A piece of advice I can give you without watching replay is that it's perfectly feasible to group your defilers with other units; I myself group them with lurkers so that I can just *6rightclick* and the defiler will follow the lurkers, ready to swarm if need be.
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On January 18 2008 14:10 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
A piece of advice I can give you without watching replay is that it's perfectly feasible to group your defilers with other units; I myself group them with lurkers so that I can just *6rightclick* and the defiler will follow the lurkers, ready to swarm if need be.
Disagreed. Defiliers move much slower than other units so they need to be moved seperately and first in order to be used well. Do what many P users do with temps and make a seperate group of defiliers with another unit so you can a click with them.
Make sure you make good use of shift "u" for consume. For example you swarm then hit shift u and click a ling. This will get that defilier ready to cast another swarm while youre doing other things. There really isn't too much that can be said as far as tips go for using defiliers. It's simply a matter of getting used to the hotkeys and the patterns of control you need to use them well. Something that helps is make sure you have a few lings on hold position near your defliers to consume with. Nothing worst than really needing a swarm or plague and not having any lings nearby. Another this is its often a good idea to cast a swarm ahead of the terran army to "setup" further swarms deeper in. This way your defilers are less likely to die getting into range and also it will deter the T from running by your swarm to intercept.
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is consume u? i was certain it was c.
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consume is c
you can get a few lings and right-click a defiler so they will follow it and you always have some food nearby to consume ^_^
but honestly, i need help with defilers too (they move so damn slow!) so i'm interested in seeing how this thread turns out 
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Yea consume is c , my bad Been a while since I played zerg.
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having defilers on 4 still keeps it close to the w key. i have it on 4 then just hit 4w or something.
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On January 18 2008 15:12 Raithed wrote:
is consume u? i was certain it was c. Yeah, he probably mixed it up with Kerrigan's consume, which is u. Her c is taken by cloak.
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Hey thanks for the shift advice, I didn't even know that was possible. :0
edit: nevermind, nope it doesn't even work.. :/
In an effort to try to make my post more useful, use swarm where you DON'T want the enemy Terran to go terrain-wise, the terran usually end up retreating from that spot, essentially acting like a free pushback that you can use to your advantage, unless there's lots of firebats of course..
Use this in combination with setting up plagues, and you may be able to shift the battle in your favor more often. Also in ZvT, don't be afraid to spam swarm as much as you can, it usually helps more than it hurts, as it's only two lings per use (50 minerals). And plague is teh uber ultimate spell, use it!! In both ZvP and ZvT!!
Just my 2¢.
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Actually, I still don't think you can shift queue swarm and consume.
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I control defilers manually, put them in with groups or put them by themselves on 0..
My only tip is "be watchful." Defilers are beautiful because if you use them well your suffering macro doesnt really matter, so long as you are ready to spend once your assault/defensive action is done you should be able to keep the enemy held for a while.
But if you are losing them carelessly they are really stupid. So its a unit that really has to be watched carefully at all times.
Defilers love lings for multiple reasons: Easy food for Defiler-san~, and when swarming "in" to a tank protected T group its great to send lings in with defiler. Like 2-3 lings just to absorb the initial tank fire.. your defiler moves up and casts swarm 1-2 times.. then the rest of your force(Hopefully with more defilers as that first one will die) can run in fairly protected and you can get deeper later swarms/plagues.
Dont ever make a ton of defilers. Seriously just make 2-3 with a force, you can have more if they sit at spots ready to defend. I like to hold expansion spots that are above a ramp with 2-3 lurkers, a few lings, scourge and 1 defiler sitting somewhat far away.
Keep 1 or 2 lings in front of your defense lurker groups when using defiler so that your lurkers can be unburrowed and moved forward/back without initial losses. Helps when only defending with a few lurkers especially, because the ling will take some tank fire usually and you can move say onto the ramp and swarm, T will be forced to move back and whenever Terran moves backwards they usually dont spread their force or resiege for a sec and it sets you up for huge plagues.
Late late game burrow or drop is a good way to protect your defilers. Keep them burrowed out of the way when they are on defense so vessels dont see them as easily and in ovies when attacking or sitting at your unit rally spot(To prevent irrad raids).
In typical games.. Research plague ASAP or dont get it at all. It doesnt help you if you dont fucking use it.
Also I personally get metasynaptic nodes asap after plague in any game where I can maintain 3+ gas because I really like defiler and I find plague is much more difficult to use without it.
Edit: all this was strictly talking about ZvT. I dont get metasynapse in ZvP unless im owning because plaguing in that match up is so much easier.
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I usually mix in my defilers with my lurkers, send lings first then move the group with lurks/defilers to the spot I want to swarm.
I'm sure I had a defiler micro map on my old p somewhere, quite sure i dont have it on this one oO
edit: [url blocked]
edit2: ah, need a friend for this map, i remember a different one though oO
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On January 18 2008 18:04 noobienoob wrote:
Hey thanks for the shift advice, I didn't even know that was possible. :0
edit: nevermind, nope it doesn't even work.. :/
i'm pretty sure you can shift-queue multiple consumes
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You're wrong, you can't queue multiple consumes. I have no idea if you can queue consume after another action (move, plague, etc.)
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On January 18 2008 18:04 noobienoob wrote:
Hey thanks for the shift advice, I didn't even know that was possible. :0
edit: nevermind, nope it doesn't even work.. :/
In an effort to try to make my post more useful, use swarm where you DON'T want the enemy Terran to go terrain-wise, the terran usually end up retreating from that spot, essentially acting like a free pushback that you can use to your advantage, unless there's lots of firebats of course..
Use this in combination with setting up plagues, and you may be able to shift the battle in your favor more often. Also in ZvT, don't be afraid to spam swarm as much as you can, it usually helps more than it hurts, as it's only two lings per use (50 minerals). And plague is teh uber ultimate spell, use it!! In both ZvP and ZvT!!
Just my 2¢.
It does work but only for ONE action. If you do more than one action the second will override the first.
To be honest I can't clearly remember which actions this works for and which it doesnt.
Hell I could just suck and be totally wrong. Someone should really test. But yes people are right you can't que up multiple consumes, but I never said that
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On January 18 2008 22:06 Saracen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2008 18:04 noobienoob wrote:
Hey thanks for the shift advice, I didn't even know that was possible. :0
edit: nevermind, nope it doesn't even work.. :/ i'm pretty sure you can shift-queue multiple consumes
Nope. Def. not.
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Ok I'm wrong , consume automatically overrides all other actions no matter what.
I would like to note though that consume has no cooldown time at all. You can start consuming another ling RIGHT after the first. You dont have to wait for the animation or for the ling to actually be consumed. This lets you fill your energy really quick. So if you have 4 lings immediately by your deflier the only thing slowing you down is how long it takes you to press c - click , c - click, c -click. With good clicking you can fill up defiliers energy in less than a second from zero to 250 assuming the defilier is surrounded by 5 lings and doesnt have to move from its location. So technically with full def upgrades, 1 defilier and 5 lings you have the ability to cast 2 plagues and 2 darkswarms in less than 3 seconds. Pretty freaking scary
A good way to recharge is to have a group of lings on hotkey and repeatedly move on a def --> fill the defiliers energy as mentioned above --> then use the remaining lings to absorb tank shots while you cast your spells. Then bring in another group of lings after positioning lurks, and repeat. However after your lurks are under swarm you dont need to use lings to absorb tank shots of course.
This one I actually know
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You still have to wait for the animation before you get the energy though.
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On January 19 2008 01:16 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Ok I'm wrong , consume automatically overrides all other actions no matter what. I would like to note though that consume has no cooldown time at all. You can start consuming another ling RIGHT after the first. You dont have to wait for the animation or for the ling to actually be consumed. This lets you fill your energy really quick. So if you have 4 lings immediately by your deflier the only thing slowing you down is how long it takes you to press c - click , c - click, c -click. With good clicking you can fill up defiliers energy in less than a second from zero to 250 assuming the defilier is surrounded by 5 lings and doesnt have to move from its location. So technically with full def upgrades, 1 defilier and 5 lings you have the ability to cast 2 plagues and 2 darkswarms in less than 3 seconds. Pretty freaking scary A good way to recharge is to have a group of lings on hotkey and repeatedly move on a def --> fill the defiliers energy as mentioned above --> then use the remaining lings to absorb tank shots while you cast your spells. Then bring in another group of lings after positioning lurks, and repeat. However after your lurks are under swarm you dont need to use lings to absorb tank shots of course. This one I actually know
ya you're right ^_^
the nonexistent cooldown gave me the illusion that it was queued o.O
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I'm also not very confident in my defiler control. Thing for me is that almost all games I play will be almost decided before I reach defiler tech. So I made a UMS which simulated lategame ZvT with defiler control.
left click for UMS.
I originally did it only for myself, but I think more may be interested, so I've tried to shape it up a bit...
On topic I try to group the defilers with lings to always have food close by.
It's very sexy to defend expos with a ling scout outside each expo, and then have nydus canals to a common rallypoint where you have defence waiting to move out anywhere. I'm not nearly fast enough for that though, so the advice with 2 lurks + 1 defiler + scourges +1 ling scout seems a lot more reasonable.
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ive also seen some people carry their defilers in ovies?
it seems like a viable strat but im guessing it requires some apm
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you cant shift click consume but you can certainly spam it so fast that it works that way(it works, try it).
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Start by using one defiler at a time for each attack you make.
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where should you keep your defilers when your army is moving? And should your swarm before or after your army engages the enemy? I seem to have a lot of timing/positioning problems when I use defilers.
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