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5HITCOMBO
Japan2239 Posts
On January 05 2008 08:55 Zherak wrote: If your mineral field is saturated, no amount of SD-correction will help your mining............... But up until that point (3~ worker per patch), it makes a huge difference because it's passively speeding up your mineral collection. [edit] I hate it when I don't quote and it goes to the next page. [/edit] | ||
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jngngshk321
Korea (South)457 Posts
On January 05 2008 08:55 Zherak wrote: If your mineral field is saturated, no amount of SD-correction will help your mining...............  | ||
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5HITCOMBO
Japan2239 Posts
Why? He was confused about something, and implied that he needed clarification. | ||
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xmShake
United States1100 Posts
If you put the supply depot one matrix to the left, the scv would spawn to the right of the supply depot, as units spawn at the most southeast spawn like chill said, but would not spawn to the left of the depot if moved one matrix to the left, since that space is being occupied by a depot. (The initial spawning point does not go beyond the buildings borders) | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17741 Posts
And i guess it makes a big difference cause i remember commentators mentioning that sometimes in mirror matchups you notice people with the same build order one having more scvs or a faster rax/fact. | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
On January 05 2008 07:09 Chill wrote: You're still saying 3 pixels which is a large exageration. Half a command centre's width is a little bit more than that, and as i said when it effects every scv after your 9th it's got to be fairly significant.Because mining is passive and continuous throughout the entire game, so it can add up to a difference. Getting your workers to the first mineral patch 3 pixels quicker when they are saturated anyways makes no difference. Do you see now? Every scv after your 9th implies that it is obviously well before saturation, and that though it requires manual attention in order to make any difference at all, i.e you have to tell the scv to mine while it's still moving off its rallypoint, this is not especially hard in the first 5 minutes of the game, and i'm sure progamers get the occassional one right throughout the game and somewhat consistantly well after the 5 minute mark. It also doesn't matter how small a difference it makes as long as it makes any difference at all unless you can think of a better place to put it. | ||
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5HITCOMBO
Japan2239 Posts
On January 05 2008 15:57 zobz wrote: You're still saying 3 pixels which is a large exageration. Half a command centre's width is a little bit more than that, and as i said when it effects every scv after your 9th it's got to be fairly significant. Every scv after your 9th implies that it is obviously well before saturation, and that though it requires manual attention in order to make any difference at all, i.e you have to tell the scv to mine while it's still moving off its rallypoint, this is not especially hard in the first 5 minutes of the game, and i'm sure progamers get the occassional one right throughout the game and somewhat consistantly well after the 5 minute mark. It also doesn't matter how small a difference it makes as long as it makes any difference at all unless you can think of a better place to put it. You completely misunderstood his post. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On January 05 2008 08:14 Hypnosis wrote: for that depot think of a barracks right below it, it would stop a zealot rush in its tracks because a marine can fit but a zealot cant. it also makes the scvs return faster to mine once done building the depot. it is a number of pro things, small as they are, that make these people better than YOU. This is the reason, at this location it isnt possible to make the depot spawn the scv closer to the mins so its definitely not that. | ||
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
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Play
Australia608 Posts
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naventus
United States1337 Posts
I see a lot of T players not doing that anti zealot arrangement and just pulling SCVs instead to fight zeals. Why would you not do that arrangement in all cases (maybe they are just used to using SCVs?)? | ||
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kpcrew
Korea (South)1071 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
2. fix min route (very big one, esp on maps with fucked up pathing like luna and some versions of python) 3. Make scv pop closer to minerals (Ex: the minerals are to your right, and the scv naturally pops to the bottom left of the CC, so they place a depot to make it pop out on the bottom right. placing in the SS of OP does not affect scv pop.) | ||
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=depotsslz2.jpg) | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
On January 05 2008 18:35 naventus wrote: I hate to ask for this, but could someone post the picture of the barracks with supply at that configuration? I've seen the old building placement thread, but there's no picture for this supply position. I see a lot of T players not doing that anti zealot arrangement and just pulling SCVs instead to fight zeals. Why would you not do that arrangement in all cases (maybe they are just used to using SCVs?)? Probably cause they don't know about it, it's too troublesome in their mind, or their confident in their marine + scv micro. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9109 Posts
Well... his statement is actually true. "If your mineral field is saturated, no amount of SD-correction will help your mining......" But very rarely would you have that many scvs mining off of one base and if you do you're probably in a very bad position anyway. To be totally saturated you need about 3 scv per patch and that's a ton. | ||
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ForAdun
Germany986 Posts
At the end of this post I'll post download links to some example images (right now I can't find a better image sharing system). The depot is built on the bottom left of the cc. This is not to correct mining routes neither does it have a noticeable impact on the income. Afaik the first player to introduce this was Hwasin. It is an improvement for his defense vs zealot rush. It is an alternate "wall-in". Let me explain. The depot is the first step, the reason he builds it there is that the barracks can be placed right next to it (bottom left, be careful to place it correctly because other positionings don't work afaik from my own testings), creating the effect of a wall-in. Why so complicated? Because if done correctly marines can walk through but zealots cannot. By doing so marines can dodge the 1st zealot easily. Of course as soon as the 2nd zealot arrives you've got to kill one of them if you haven't done it yet but some protoss players are still confused and won't be able to pressure real hard. The effect is big enough to legitimate the (hardly noticeable) inconveniences because it allows you to protect your factory (advise: build it close to the "wall-in") from early zealot-pressure until it finishes (normally before the 2nd zealot arrives). (hint: if the zealot attempts to attack the scv at the factory which it should, just send the scv back to mining as soon as the zealot comes close to it and replace it without losing a second. In that time the zealot may get damaged heavily and you can even stay relaxed). In addition you're able to save more marines with ease for the incoming zealots. Then how I would do it: factory done, hide your marines inside of your economy and outsmart the invaders with some scv's as soon as they enter your little death zone. Build a vulture at the same time, abuse the patrol-command and after smoke clears up you should have a tiny advantage, especially if p has 2 off-gates instead of just 1. Now I'll post the images. They show two different alternative wall-ins. Map is Python, the first wall-in is for 12 and 3, the second wall-in is for 6 and 9. First wall-in: Step 1: http://www.elnoy.org/elnoyhost/download.php?file=194alternate wall-in A-1.pcx Step 2: http://www.elnoy.org/elnoyhost/download.php?file=273alternate wall-in A-2.pcx Second wall-in: Step 1: http://www.elnoy.org/elnoyhost/download.php?file=964alternate wall-in B-1.pcx Step 2: http://www.elnoy.org/elnoyhost/download.php?file=29alternate wall-in B-2.pcx Good luck & have fun outplaying rushing noobs, I hope you enjoyed reading  | ||
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5HITCOMBO
Japan2239 Posts
On January 06 2008 07:45 Jonoman92 wrote: Well... his statement is actually true. "If your mineral field is saturated, no amount of SD-correction will help your mining......" But very rarely would you have that many scvs mining off of one base and if you do you're probably in a very bad position anyway. To be totally saturated you need about 3 scv per patch and that's a ton. Saturated is a rate of mineral harvesting, not a number of SCVs per patch. Correcting the path allows you to reach this state faster with less SCVs. | ||
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