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findingphonenumber
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April 08 2026 07:41 GMT
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oshibori_probe
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April 14 2026 14:50 GMT
#23
Having your APM curve up as the game goes on is much more important than the actual APM (unless it's something insanely low like 130). You should be performing more actions as there are more actions to perform and if your APM is decaying as the game goes on then you might be fast tracking yourself to carpal tunnel for nothing.

Keep your hot keys to what works for you and is comfortable. Absolutely no reason to wreck your wrists trying to copy someone else. I will add the caveat that f2 f3 f4 is mandatory for bases to mineral walk probes away from harass, but eventually you need to put these on gateways so its not a longterm solution.

Focus on army positioning, spending your resources, keeping production smooth (not queuing up 3 zealots at a time or supply blocking yourself) and your APM will be whatever it has to be. There's been terrible pros and foreign streamers with high apm and legends with comparatively low apm (oov, flash).

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FlaShFTW
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April 15 2026 07:51 GMT
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APM is meaningless without actually watching someone's FPVOD to see where the APM goes. I average close to 350 apm playing TvZ, and around 300 playing TvP and TvT. But my actions aren't the most precise/efficient, so lots of that APM comes down to spam, along with the actual critical moments of games where my control may fail me like TvP army engagements. There's so many factors to consider when merely trying to view APM as a way of gauging player skill.

Is it something people should work on if they want to improve? 100%. Learning to play aggressive builds while still managing your macro at home is a very important skill, and at a certain point, is mandatory (playing bio vs muta and needing to watch your bio army on the map while macroing at home). Practicing builds like 8 rax or fact-cc-fact 3 tank stabs TvP for example are good ways to practice taking fights while trying to macro at home.
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April 15 2026 15:49 GMT
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Can't believe we are still having an APM discussion in 2026...
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Crimson)S(hadow
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April 23 2026 01:50 GMT
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APM is apparently important with the new kids, i was watching videos about Tyler1/Hera/Grubby on Warcraft3, and the term "APM mogging" is mentioned by grubby and the chat lol
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
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