Some .... strategy question about TvP

On October 25 2021 22:30 kogeT wrote:
Gas steal -> 15/17 CC expand or 2 barrack is possible if protoss also goes for some front gateway.
Double expo before gateway I believe you mean 12 nexus -> keep making marine, tak 6-8 scv, rally vulture and try to kill it. It's hard on cross position.

On October 25 2021 22:27 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:
So guys... what do I do against gas steal in TvP

also what I do against fast double expo before gateway?

I have not figured these out 10~15 years ago, and I am still clueless :D

someone explain please.

On October 26 2021 09:07 Highgamer wrote:
KogeT, by "15/17 CC expand" against gas steal you mean: start the CC either before or after starting the first marine?
And when or depending on what do you decide to destroy the Assimilator (and how many SCVs do you use in addition to the marines you can spare?) and when do you build it in the natural instead?

One should point out that killing the 12nex doesn't mean that Terran is ahead, it just means that the game is about evened out - unless Protoss lost too many probes.
Normally it just means: Retreat in time, because many goons will few-shot the forward bunker and be pressuring the natural, soon.

On October 27 2021 00:21 kogeT wrote:


SO when you go in detail there are so many small adjustments you need to do / know.. I gave a high level explanation. Obviously protoss can do anytihng from gas steal into nexus, gas steal with gate in base, gas steal with gate at your natural, then he can make 1-4 zealots etc.. Each thing requires different answers, different gas timing, different priority on marine / expanding / killing the gas or making it in natural etc.

For 12 nex if you do it correctly you are usually ahead if you know how to continue. Sometimes it is best to contain on 1 base, sometimes 1 fact 1 port is better, sometimes a turret ring is better, sometimes you want to expand and outmacro protoss, sometimes you want to expand into timing etc.

On October 27 2021 03:54 maybenexttime wrote:

I think that's my biggest problem with this MU: Protoss can do anything. xD

On October 28 2021 05:52 Zoler wrote:


Well in the end it's basically just attack, defend or expand.

On November 01 2021 13:15 radley wrote:
I think on B rank and lower levels its better to go 13/14 cc build most games, than try rax expand. The reason is simple - if protoss goes forward gateway zealot you gonna be still in losing position going rax expand due to bad micro. Using cc first u will lose immediately and dont lose more time prelonging game, looking for miracle that usually won't happen. But if protoss scouts late and goes for dragon first, you are in very good position, even better if he went 12 nexus. Just need to scout for 3rd base early on and if so go for some quick 4 fact push allin, cutting scvs.

On November 02 2021 08:43 CHEONSOYUN wrote:


literal defeatist/losing mentality. also if you’re going to most likely lose to zealot pressure going for a barracks, and this is so common at lower levels, why would you say that these same losers should instead gamble on a build that will?

On November 05 2021 03:49 radley wrote:

I literally did explain why, but looks like you can't get it. I don't lose against forward zealots pressure, but often set myself back because of not handling it perfectly. Note that I only compare 13/14 cc to 15 rax first cc. And I'm rather micro player, which makes me around lower S rank of standard players in those terms ;o