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Yanokabo
Profile Joined October 2018
268 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-20 03:40:41
October 20 2018 03:39 GMT
#21
In that scenario that u mentioned the Terran has saved up 675 minerals to do his build order and that’s just talking buildings, so z by then should be able to make hatch + pool , = 500 minerals, and then have some time to sneak in 3rd hatchery. But you can always pull 2 drones kill the scv making the eBay, and the kill off 100 hp of a unfinished eBay to destroy it in just under 30 seconds or so
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-20 05:35:07
October 20 2018 05:33 GMT
#22
On October 20 2018 12:23 iopq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2018 23:48 Dead9 wrote:
On October 19 2018 14:27 iopq wrote:
On October 16 2018 00:36 Dazed. wrote:
@iopq i dont see how it would delay your gas mining in any serious sense if your three hatching.

Nothing is stopping him from blocking your third hatchery as well. You don't have lings out yet when you're supposed to put your third hatch down.

On October 18 2018 00:46 Dead9 wrote:
in zvt you can just offset the hatch and place your 3rd hatch onsite

it doesn't set you behind (at least not moreso than T scouting at 8/9) unless you were planning on opening 2h in the first place


explain how you get that third hatch on site when the SCV comes back and makes an engineering bay in your natural

op never mentioned an ebay block

if they ebay on ur nat location u can go 12p 11hat gas > 3rd hat after lings pop, around 15-16

make sure the 2nd hat provides creep for sunk

here's a vod, not perfect and could probably be optimized but the idea is there:


u can find more vods on desti, tvz ebay block is pretty common on that map


yeah, but Destination is a total mech map, you don't mind going hydra on it and getting late mutas

I don't even know what you'd do on Match Point since that's a total two hatch muta map

u can do the exact same thing and go 2.5h or 3h muta
ebay block on 12h is incredibly expensive for terran, it delays everything

what does hydras have to do with anything
Yanokabo
Profile Joined October 2018
268 Posts
October 20 2018 10:27 GMT
#23
Iopq does make a good point in that a Zerg rushing hydras will want his natural exp in the right place so he can defend mech threats such as a vulture runby which needs creep in the proper spots and etc. being a terran user myself I look at the theorycraft of stuff like this a lot, and scouting mathematical probability says that yes this blocking move is strong on maps like desti or hbr and weak on maps like fs. Terran can also consider using a supply depot to save 25 minerals on the up front cost and maybe another 20 minerals on the cancellation.
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States930 Posts
October 20 2018 10:53 GMT
#24
On October 20 2018 12:39 Yanokabo wrote:
In that scenario that u mentioned the Terran has saved up 675 minerals to do his build order and that’s just talking buildings, so z by then should be able to make hatch + pool , = 500 minerals, and then have some time to sneak in 3rd hatchery. But you can always pull 2 drones kill the scv making the eBay, and the kill off 100 hp of a unfinished eBay to destroy it in just under 30 seconds or so

if you watch the VOD, the ebay is at like 500 hp by the time the drones get to it and the scv stops making it and runs off
Yanokabo
Profile Joined October 2018
268 Posts
October 20 2018 21:55 GMT
#25
Yeah. Effort chooses to 12 p in that vid, but I’d like to 12 hatch just in the left offset to retain tempo. Especially against flash.
DJONES
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States218 Posts
October 25 2018 03:10 GMT
#26
If it's a probe you may as well gg.
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iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States930 Posts
October 25 2018 14:29 GMT
#27
On October 21 2018 06:55 Yanokabo wrote:
Yeah. Effort chooses to 12 p in that vid, but I’d like to 12 hatch just in the left offset to retain tempo. Especially against flash.

you're going to have to kill the ebay with pure drones then, I'm not sure what's better

just put an engineering bay in your natural in the map editor and do both builds, see which one is better
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