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Netto.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Poland523 Posts
June 15 2017 19:10 GMT
#161
Hello Scan. I have some questions about your optimized 3 Hatch opening.

1. I am C- iccup player. I still struggle with multitasking and muta micro, so I often lose later on even if I execute the BO perfectly. Do you suggest sticking to this mutalisk build or would it be better to practice mechanics using easier (lurker) openings - for example Effort's noob builds?

2. There are some differences beetwen your opening and pro zergs. For example you take 3rd hatch and gas on 14, pros make it on 13. Also u make 6 lings, pros ussually do 2. Are these differences important or is it just preference and being safe?

3. Should I remake mutalisks if my micro slip and I lose like 5-6 mutas to m&m? That's the biggest problem for me unfortunately. Sometimes I fail at micro, lose some mutas, lose map control and just slowly die from there.

Thanks in advance, and I am looking forward to some ZvP content.
Be the change you want to see in the world.
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
June 17 2017 17:04 GMT
#162
Yo Scan can you post some more games with progamers?
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
June 17 2017 20:31 GMT
#163
On June 18 2017 02:04 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Yo Scan can you post some more games with progamers?


No. People will consider as bragging. You can watch LIVE games on stream.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
June 17 2017 21:39 GMT
#164
You could technically post games you lost. But I doubt you would.
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
June 18 2017 01:52 GMT
#165
On June 18 2017 06:39 Alpha-NP- wrote:
You could technically post games you lost. But I doubt you would.

??? Lol... i uploaded any kind of games regardless of the victory... if someone refuses with a reason, just accept it. Dont be sarcastic. I used to have all those vs savior luxury and other legendary expros, but most of them were deleted because it was not good videos to advertise who i am. Why? I was young and all those noisy ass hyped tone comnentary is just annoying to listen and watch at the same time.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
June 19 2017 01:53 GMT
#166
On June 16 2017 04:10 Netto. wrote:
Hello Scan. I have some questions about your optimized 3 Hatch opening.

1. I am C- iccup player. I still struggle with multitasking and muta micro, so I often lose later on even if I execute the BO perfectly. Do you suggest sticking to this mutalisk build or would it be better to practice mechanics using easier (lurker) openings - for example Effort's noob builds?

2. There are some differences beetwen your opening and pro zergs. For example you take 3rd hatch and gas on 14, pros make it on 13. Also u make 6 lings, pros ussually do 2. Are these differences important or is it just preference and being safe?

3. Should I remake mutalisks if my micro slip and I lose like 5-6 mutas to m&m? That's the biggest problem for me unfortunately. Sometimes I fail at micro, lose some mutas, lose map control and just slowly die from there.

Thanks in advance, and I am looking forward to some ZvP content.


1) I would highly recommend you to practice macro with lurkers opening. You can practice muta micro against computers like muta micro maps. Please try to go for fast hive. like start your hive at 7 min++.

2) mine is more a textbook opening which is still useful against any terran's opening(factory opening/2rax/2ports). Those differences are matters/important if you are going mutalisk into 3 lurkers defending 3rd gas for fast hive.

3) It really depends. If you weren't able to take down 20++ mm with your 11 mutas # of lings, then no. just leave your rest of your mutalisks against any dropship after/before 1 vessel with tanks timing.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-27 08:01:41
June 27 2017 08:01 GMT
#167
Update: [G] TvZ 1-1-1 Opening by Scan

It is also in the front page.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
August 15 2017 06:15 GMT
#168
bump up for new players.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
August 15 2017 07:04 GMT
#169
these are awesome for learning! can u show the build order for the 3rax opening into valks
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
DjKniteX
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States241 Posts
August 15 2017 13:42 GMT
#170
Scan coming with them strats. Time to learn them. Thanks buddy.
"You know my methods.... Apply them"
sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
August 16 2017 06:55 GMT
#171
On June 27 2017 17:01 LaStScan wrote:
Update: [G] TvZ 1-1-1 Opening by Scan

It is also in the front page.

Nice :-)
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LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
August 16 2017 17:56 GMT
#172
On August 16 2017 15:55 sc19980331 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 17:01 LaStScan wrote:
Update: [G] TvZ 1-1-1 Opening by Scan

It is also in the front page.

Nice :-)


I used against Fengzi/334 Team. 1v2 (Team melee) TvZ match up.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
August 17 2017 11:00 GMT
#173
Scan i've won alot of games with ur TvZ Lecture Att+1 5 Rax 170430 timing, but when the scan finishes and i see hydra den, for lurkers what should i do? I tried to break his natural but there were too many sunkens and the lurkers finished, feels like i am behind and can not do anything when his hive finishes. Should i make 2 starport into dropship?
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
mLtySC
Profile Joined September 2016
68 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-18 04:57:34
August 18 2017 04:57 GMT
#174
Would it be possible to get a ZvP and/or a ZvZ guide in english?
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
November 30 2017 16:03 GMT
#175
bumping up this one because one of our community users has a trouble of ZvT.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
garsh0p
Profile Joined February 2010
United States30 Posts
December 02 2017 10:09 GMT
#176
Hi Scan, I have a question about your TvP 4fact build as a Protoss player

My friend has replicated your build and I'm having a ton of trouble defending the ~7 minute push with 6 tanks. I generally open with the 21 Nexus build on Liquipedia. What's the proper response as a Protoss player if I scout the 1rax FE to be able to defend the 7 minute push? Is it possible to take a fast 3rd and still make enough units to defend, or should I be going for some 2 base tech build? I find that the standard ob timing with 21 Nexus is too slow to scout the # of factories before the Terran moves out. Should I cut goons to get the robo earlier?
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
December 02 2017 23:12 GMT
#177
Hey Scan have you ever won any progamer in TvT with bio switch for fun? Seems like it would be very fun. Sea won Boxer with Siege expand TvT into 4 rax mm.
noname_
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
459 Posts
December 03 2017 12:44 GMT
#178
But that was on 815 which features a gasless expansion. For a while I thought that Sea is Boxer in that game while watching it live.
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
December 10 2017 20:01 GMT
#179
Does anyone have the UMS micro map that Scan was using to demonstrate mutalisk M micro on? Thanks.
GuMiho <3
[Fin]Vittu
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada507 Posts
December 15 2017 13:23 GMT
#180
On August 17 2017 20:00 Shock710 wrote:
Scan i've won alot of games with ur TvZ Lecture Att+1 5 Rax 170430 timing, but when the scan finishes and i see hydra den, for lurkers what should i do? I tried to break his natural but there were too many sunkens and the lurkers finished, feels like i am behind and can not do anything when his hive finishes. Should i make 2 starport into dropship?



Quoting this for visibility as this happens to me more times than I can count.
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