• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 23:47
CET 05:47
KST 13:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns5[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1822Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises3Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach
Tourneys
SC2 AI Tournament 2026 WardiTV Winter Cup OSC Season 13 World Championship uThermal 2v2 Circuit WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ I would like to say something about StarCraft Data analysis on 70 million replays Empty tournaments section on Liquipedia A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 SLON Grand Finals – Season 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread The Big Programming Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
How do archons sleep?
8882
Psychological Factors That D…
TrAiDoS
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
GOAT of Goats list
BisuDagger
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 969 users

OpticalFlare in TvP - Page 3

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
nite2
Profile Joined June 2006
182 Posts
October 29 2006 18:49 GMT
#41
i'll put the reps in the first post.
there are real people in the big, big trucks that you flip off when they get in your way
Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
October 29 2006 18:50 GMT
#42
On October 29 2006 23:19 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2006 23:05 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On October 29 2006 21:46 Alborz wrote:
On October 29 2006 21:00 Scorpion wrote:
In the progaming scene it is....

boxer flaring up observers and smashing carriers didnt seem useless to me

A player of that caliber would find it far easier to kill them with targeting. He was being cute.


What?

You guys are all wrong. It was a desperation move by boxer (which worked) but he lost the game anyway.

And it's different cause cloaked wraiths raped so many carriers really quickly. Blinding obs in normal TvP....saves your mines?


agreed, the gas used is better spent on tanks
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
October 29 2006 19:33 GMT
#43
Another idea with optic flare that some guys did to me a few weeks ago in 2v2:

T goes normal bio but with optic flare as first academy uppgrade.
P goes DT.
I am Z, my ally is P.
You can guess the rest... I first thought it was some bug when I heard the "tzzinn" of the DTs at my sunken with my OL just next to it...

We are newbs, and the other guys were probably better than us, but I cant really see why it wouldn't be viable at higher level. I mean, it is not like you can micro your slow OL a lot. Of course, the gosus never seems to play 2v2... Or do they?
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
October 29 2006 19:56 GMT
#44
Boxer vs SaFT on LT......

SaFT went early 2 stargate carriers, looked like he had the game won.

Boxer charges in with optical flare on observes and then just takes carriers down with ghost / wraith / goliath combo.

SICK.

Old old old game, but still pure art.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
nite2
Profile Joined June 2006
182 Posts
October 29 2006 20:11 GMT
#45
anyone feels like takin a look at those reps from first post...?
there are real people in the big, big trucks that you flip off when they get in your way
GuYuTe-
Profile Joined February 2005
United States550 Posts
October 29 2006 20:26 GMT
#46
I wanted to watch the rep but it was corrupted.
siro)
Profile Joined January 2006
Australia848 Posts
October 29 2006 20:45 GMT
#47
rep killing the goons at 3 was sweet!

but its mostly useless vs anyone good =(
nite2
Profile Joined June 2006
182 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-29 21:04:22
October 29 2006 20:59 GMT
#48
look the replay in EDIT3 from the first post, its the most representative and my opponent is the most skilled player i tried this against.(201 apm, 71macro, 26% hotkey and decent skill i'd say)

I lost the game(coz i didn bring a fresh medic from my nat), but i believe u can see how powerful this can be if used in the right situation. I was able to contain half of his army and then kill the other half... Unfortunately i forgot to send new medic so he was able to break thru and flank me.

PS u must view this rep using BWLauncher, otherwise it seems like its corrupt.
there are real people in the big, big trucks that you flip off when they get in your way
mcmascote
Profile Joined September 2004
Brazil1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-29 21:28:55
October 29 2006 21:28 GMT
#49
On October 29 2006 23:03 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
This sounds really good in theory. However, in reality you forget that a good toss will clear standing (unprotected) mine fields extremely quickly. If you do manage to set it up a good toss will only move his obs in range while having goons nearby. This makes micro actually difficult. Imagine being able to notice an ob moving in range of mines (the hardest part) scanning and then targeting before the mines are clear/the medic killed. Specially if the P has obs speed which most good p users get mid game for mobility. Further if you are planning to blind obs that go close to your push (army); then it becomes far more wise to simply spend for 4-5 marines(which you will probably have anyways) and kill the obs flat out. So ya its cute and could get you some style points but to actually spend time and a little focus on preparing this is a waste of time


simple as that.

But if ur goal is to get FUN, you should try everything you want, you wont be the next oov anyway.. always play 4 fun!

The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-29 22:28:18
October 29 2006 22:23 GMT
#50
Lol, I used to do this a bit while I still played terran.. Make a MILLION vultures and get every single observer with a bunch of medics ;D

When I did this I usually opened 2 fac vult + medic tho, and expoed if I couldn't do any damage.

Man, I had another gosu strat.. 1 fac cc, sneak out 4-5 scvs, make barracks with all of them while 2 fac tanking from main :D

Oh man, that was art.

Hm, and marine medic tank rushing (I had art timing) on Dahlia.. Then I had been preparing this marine medic tank into proxy starport for dropping units down at his nat on dahlia (unfortunately it sucked balls vs reaver/dt ).

Man, terran is such a cool race, protoss doesn't have as many artsy tactics honestly :[

On October 29 2006 20:40 Cloud wrote:
I used flare once to nuke a toss, was a cool game to play, nuked the toss like 8 times and then ran out of gas ;p.

Stupid rush hour and its 2500 gas expos. t.t


Funny thing is, had i done any other thing than that, like playing normal or w/e, i would have prolly got owned much sooner, i just suck that bad at tvp and he wasnt so bad :p

I had a very nice TvP vs maleorderbride, like 40 minutes of nuke attempts + blinds and lockdowns and drops xD

Ahh, this reminds me of a very old strat I used to like on Lost Temple 2 T vs 9 P, I opened gundam, but it was very loose and instead lead to a 'fast' expo if it didn't succeed, then I would drop his cliff (since it's so big and covers 2 nexii) while adding a second starport and another factory or two, then I would make BC/Tank :D

Oh and my ZvP was legendary.. Tonnes of queens flying around, defiler rushes were frequent, and lots and lots and lots of gayness (I couldn't win ZvP games without guardians naturally my biggest fear was corsair/dt).

Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
October 29 2006 23:22 GMT
#51
I'm a fan of the blind mine rush.
Haha, does this even exist?
Trucy Wright is hot
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2015 Posts
October 29 2006 23:37 GMT
#52
Medic cost : 50/25
Observer cost : 25/75
Games winning with gay strats vs noobs : Priceless

Umm FA I think toss have a lot of art strats - goon+web, stove, arbiter+reaver, hallucinations...
- It's all just treason - They bring me down with their lies - Don't know the reason - My life is fire and ice -
nite2
Profile Joined June 2006
182 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-29 23:47:52
October 29 2006 23:47 GMT
#53
im tellin you guys, this is not as marginal strat as u speak of it.
matter fact, if nada does it in a single match, ppl will embrace this...
just watch my replay in EDIT3 and u'll see what i mean. its equivalent to stasis field if toss' army is divided.
there are real people in the big, big trucks that you flip off when they get in your way
tae
Profile Joined September 2006
United States101 Posts
October 30 2006 00:37 GMT
#54
I like the idea. perhaps not always viable or worthwhile, but would definitly get you some stye points (those matter too...don't they?)
They see me trollin, Im hatin, they hopin that they gon catch me writin dirty...
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
October 30 2006 00:38 GMT
#55
On October 30 2006 08:37 LastWish wrote:
Medic cost : 50/25
Observer cost : 25/75
Games winning with gay strats vs noobs : Priceless

Umm FA I think toss have a lot of art strats - goon+web, stove, arbiter+reaver, hallucinations...

But they are not as cute :[
Toss really doesn't have 2 completely separate tech trees (ie mech / bio-mech).

Although I remember when gorky park was being used I experimented with sair reaver vs terran LOL :D
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
dropthesky
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Canada285 Posts
October 30 2006 03:58 GMT
#56
not sure who blinding obs is more beneficial then killing them... golat mine filed instead of medic, and you have a better strat, medics are only better if your plan is to confuse the toss by mkaing him think hes safe with the obs, while it is really blind.
It Is Not That Impossible Is Unachievable, But Simply That Most People Refuse To Believe Otherwise...
nite2
Profile Joined June 2006
182 Posts
October 30 2006 04:07 GMT
#57
goliath has 20 air attack, explosive type which means he deals 10 damage to obs. Obs has 60hp (shield included) so it takes 6 shots to take out the obs. That means toss can escape quite easy and w8 a few seconds till scan wears off. Of course thats in case u dont go mass goliats, but if u do ur basically in trouble coz vult/tank is the ideal combo for fightin toss on ground.
there are real people in the big, big trucks that you flip off when they get in your way
Lisk
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Latvia376 Posts
October 30 2006 04:11 GMT
#58
afaik shields take full damage. so 5 shots?
blinding obs > killing it, because it wastes psi and distracts having to kill it.
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
October 30 2006 04:14 GMT
#59
it is not the same to kill the obs at all

if you blind, protoss has to search all his obs for a working one (if enough ones are blind this can be very time-consuming)

and protoss might not notice his obs is blind and send units thinking theres no mines, possibly losing many units
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
nite2
Profile Joined June 2006
182 Posts
October 30 2006 04:17 GMT
#60
On October 30 2006 13:14 Sabbath wrote:
and protoss might not notice his obs is blind and send units thinking theres no mines, possibly losing many units

has happened in the reps i posted in the first post
there are real people in the big, big trucks that you flip off when they get in your way
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
SOOP
04:00
SOOP Invitational #1
Liquipedia
PiGosaur Cup
01:00
#63
PiGStarcraft676
SteadfastSC216
EnkiAlexander 79
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft667
WinterStarcraft262
RuFF_SC2 240
SteadfastSC 216
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 90
ZergMaN 62
NaDa 48
Pusan 22
Bale 15
Noble 12
Icarus 8
Dota 2
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 956
C9.Mang0537
Counter-Strike
tarik_tv4412
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox899
Other Games
summit1g8551
ViBE147
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick34516
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH101
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 185
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22187
League of Legends
• Lourlo717
Other Games
• Scarra2097
• Shiphtur227
Upcoming Events
OSC
7h 13m
OSC
1d 9h
SOOP
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
IPSL
4 days
DragOn vs Sziky
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-05
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
OSC Championship Season 13
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.