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On September 20 2012 11:35 Wgtourmaps wrote:
Does anyone want to add anything before thread dies?
Please answer this, you wrote the guide after all.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 12 2012 07:26 HaFnium wrote:
Finally, you can also two gate against a Protoss who will most of the time 1gate against Random.
Decent Protoss players often two gate against Random players because it is their best option against 3 races.
Arent u contraditing yourself?
Personally I'd go for 1 gate tech, on 2 ppl map maybe can try put pylon at natural and early scout to see what the opponent is....
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It depends on what you think your opponent will do. You might easily win if he 1gates when you 2 gate him. Conversely if he plays safe and 2 gates, he probably won't make too many zealots or too fast tech. Cannon expand may be good here.
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Maby every thing have been said? it was intressting therad =)
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I never play vs random.
Race up or boot
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*Randomed Protoss versus Protoss
rProtoss can play greedy and forge expand. The enemy Protoss is likely to skimp out on Zealots opting instead for Dragoons. Your Photon Cannons will hold off his Dragoons. Other possibilites include 12 Nexus or the LML Build (10 gateway at mainbase, 12 forge at mainbase, and then expand). The latter may give you more flexibility in adjusting to your opponents playstyle. Protoss can "cheeze tech" to reavers or DT drops. Finally, you can also two gate against a Protoss who will most of the time 1gate against Random.
Wait what. Noo just noo. You go Zeal Core Zeal in PvP/PvZ it's much safer to go Zeal Core Zeal. I guess you could follow this guide and just die a lot of the time thats fine to.
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On September 12 2012 01:30 gutshot wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 00:57 killerdog wrote:On September 11 2012 06:59 Wgtourmaps wrote:
In a 1v1, where both players Random, there is a 95% chance both players random different races.
Are you sure about this? + Show Spoiler +i would have though it was 67% chance, because whatever race you roll, they roll one of 3 options one of which is the same as you And a nice guide, i never really put that much thought into how different random vs x is compared to a known matchup. Funny really, since i'm well aware of how it affects sc2... I guess i just never run into random players while playing broodwar. it should be 67% mathematically, but it comes out to be 90% or more close to 95% when you play it. This is from the numerous RvRs I have played and I dont even understand why mirror matches are so rare in RvR.
In your experience. Either you remember it wrong or it's a statistical anomaly.
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On October 03 2012 01:59 Savi[wOk] wrote:
I never play vs random.
Race up or boot
Same. Fuck random kinda feels unfair especially in PvZ I don't care about PvT and PvP because I can adapt pretty fast.
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On September 12 2012 01:30 gutshot wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 00:57 killerdog wrote:On September 11 2012 06:59 Wgtourmaps wrote:
In a 1v1, where both players Random, there is a 95% chance both players random different races.
Are you sure about this? + Show Spoiler +i would have though it was 67% chance, because whatever race you roll, they roll one of 3 options one of which is the same as you And a nice guide, i never really put that much thought into how different random vs x is compared to a known matchup. Funny really, since i'm well aware of how it affects sc2... I guess i just never run into random players while playing broodwar. it should be 67% mathematically, but it comes out to be 90% or more close to 95% when you play it. This is from the numerous RvRs I have played and I dont even understand why mirror matches are so rare in RvR.
i would think mathematically correct would be a chance of 8/9 = 89%
nice read, even tho im not a random player
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On October 08 2012 00:21 Kogan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 01:30 gutshot wrote:On September 12 2012 00:57 killerdog wrote:On September 11 2012 06:59 Wgtourmaps wrote:
In a 1v1, where both players Random, there is a 95% chance both players random different races.
Are you sure about this? + Show Spoiler +i would have though it was 67% chance, because whatever race you roll, they roll one of 3 options one of which is the same as you And a nice guide, i never really put that much thought into how different random vs x is compared to a known matchup. Funny really, since i'm well aware of how it affects sc2... I guess i just never run into random players while playing broodwar. it should be 67% mathematically, but it comes out to be 90% or more close to 95% when you play it. This is from the numerous RvRs I have played and I dont even understand why mirror matches are so rare in RvR. i would think mathematically correct would be a chance of 8/9 = 89% nice read, even tho im not a random player
67% is correct. no matter what your race is, the other player can have one of the 2 races that are different, or the same race.
or you could see it this way: there are 9 possiblities (if you say that ZvT and TvZ are different):
TvT
TvP
TvZ
PvT
PvP
PvZ
ZvT
ZvP
ZvZ
3 of this 9 are mirror matches
6 of 9 non mirrors
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2/3 is the only acceptable way to write that. 66.6666666... rounded up to 67% is quite unprofessional when talking about things you actually would consider a lot of people playing way more than a hundred times.
So Brood War has some kind of coding to decrease mirror matches in rvr? That is interesting.
I usually play vs Random people on ladder but they seem cheesy most of the time, not learning one race enough to stand up through a whole game. Maybe this is just my experience, but "greedy cheese" as you call it, seems kind of uncommon. I tend to get more defenses when playing vR, just because of this reason. Random players want to use the fact that they're playing random somehow, and the easiest way seems to be to just 99-gate, 9-pool speed or BBS.
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I started playing random and it's quite fun. You learn a lot about the other sides of the matchups you are used to. In particular I understand PvZ a bit better from playing ZvP. Random only gives you a psychological advantage for the first few minutes. It's just the normal game after a round of scouting.
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gotta be honest, I normally go 10-10 gate vs Random because they think I will be defensive or play safe and they tend to try and do something greedy or all in...
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