EPTEven still, IdrA has a higher overall winrate with a significantly larger amount of games in a far less amount of time while including his games vs korean progamers. Going 3-1 is far less impressive than 75-25 even though it's the same win rate.
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SnowFantasy
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Even still, IdrA has a higher overall winrate with a significantly larger amount of games in a far less amount of time while including his games vs korean progamers. Going 3-1 is far less impressive than 75-25 even though it's the same win rate. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On January 17 2015 12:21 SnowFantasy wrote: We're talking about 2009 forward. We're also talking about vs other foreigners. None of that is relevant. You brought up 2009 and 2010. Let's discuss 2009 and 2010. Even still, IdrA has a higher overall winrate with a significantly larger amount of games in a far less amount of time while including his games vs korean progamers. Going 3-1 is far less impressive than 75-25 even though it's the same win rate. i picked up 2009 onward because it it clearly Idra's strongest phase. I tried to show that beeing a very good player in that given timeframe doesnt make him as outstanding as you claim by comparing him to Mondragon during HIS strong period. And Wins vs Progamers impress me more than more games. | ||
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SnowFantasy
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Does anyone have a list of TvT VODs where it's 1 rax FE vs 2 factory of any type? | ||
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DarkNetHunter
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On January 17 2015 12:51 SnowFantasy wrote: I came to the sudden realization that this thread is in the Strategy section and we're extremely far off from anything Strategy related. I'll let it go lol Does anyone have a list of TvT VODs where it's 1 rax FE vs 2 factory of any type? wtf i only now realized this whole topic has been going on in Strat not BW general discussion o.o This isn't quite what you're looking for, but it might give you a start? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-strategy/459245-tvt-list-of-vods-sorted-by-opening-build | ||
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SnowFantasy
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Jukado
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There is this very recent game from last week(KSL spoiler alert): + Show Spoiler + | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
Example: You have a medic with 4 armor (3 armor upgrades). An upgraded (125 damage) reaver scarab goes off in her general area. She's standing in the 50% splash zone. Does she take: 1) 125 – 4 = 121 x .50 = 60.5 damage and die, or does she take 2) 125 x .50 = 62.5 – 4 = 58.5 damage, and live?  | ||
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SnowFantasy
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On January 20 2015 06:08 CardinalAllin wrote: SnowFantasy There is this very recent game from last week(KSL spoiler alert): + Show Spoiler + That's cc first though lol edit: found one here | ||
Kau
Canada3502 Posts
On January 20 2015 19:00 [[Starlight]] wrote: What comes first when calculating damage, the armor deduction, or splash-zone percentage modifiers? Example: You have a medic with 4 armor (3 armor upgrades). An upgraded (125 damage) reaver scarab goes off in her general area. She's standing in the 50% splash zone. Does she take: 1) 125 – 4 = 121 x .50 = 60.5 damage and die, or does she take 2) 125 x .50 = 62.5 – 4 = 58.5 damage, and live? Armor first. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
Thank you. I assume it's the same deal for size/damage-type modifiers, such as small-sized units vs explosive damage, etc? Edit - This later proved not to be the case. See Cryoc's post below. | ||
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Kau
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oGoZenob
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Cryoc
Germany914 Posts
Another example: +2 Siege Tank attacks vs +2 Armor Vulture and gets twice 50% splash damage: 80-2*((80*0.5-2)*0.75)=23 of 80 HP left. +2 Siege Tank attacks vs +2 Armor Vulture and hits once directly: 80-((80-2)*0.75)=21.5 of 80 HP left. | ||
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Jukado
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That Leta vs Fantasy game on Ground Zero is the first one listed under 2 fac in the thread. How did you find that game in the end? Did you just recheck the 2 fac list of games? There is also this game (not from the thread) Bogus vs Lomo, rax expo vs proxy 2 fac: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/47601_INnoVation_vs_Lomo/vod | ||
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Kau
Canada3502 Posts
On January 22 2015 04:58 Cryoc wrote: I tested it, because I was pretty sure that the modifiers are applied before the armor is taken into account, but they implemented it differently. The order of calculation is: 1. Splash modifier 2. Armor 3. Damage type modifier. So in your case the medic will live. Another example: +2 Siege Tank attacks vs +2 Armor Vulture and gets twice 50% splash damage: 80-2*((80*0.5-2)*0.75)=23 of 80 HP left. +2 Siege Tank attacks vs +2 Armor Vulture and hits once directly: 80-((80-2)*0.75)=21.5 of 80 HP left. I just tested it too and you're right Cryoc, the splash modifier is applied first. Sorry about that Starlight. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 22 2015 02:24 oGoZenob wrote: the real question being : What are you doing with 0-3 medics against scarabs ? The real real question is, why do you assume that examples are always real gameplay?  I was just shooting for a certain set of numbers. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 22 2015 07:31 Kau wrote: I just tested it too and you're right Cryoc, the splash modifier is applied first. Sorry about that Starlight. No worries, Kau, at least you tried to answer the Q. Guess it proves the old adage, "Always test your assumptions." I originally suspected it worked the way you said it did too, so you weren't the only one. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 22 2015 04:58 Cryoc wrote: I tested it, because I was pretty sure that the modifiers are applied before the armor is taken into account, but they implemented it differently. The order of calculation is: 1. Splash modifier 2. Armor 3. Damage type modifier. So in your case the medic will live. Another example: +2 Siege Tank attacks vs +2 Armor Vulture and gets twice 50% splash damage: 80-2*((80*0.5-2)*0.75)=23 of 80 HP left. +2 Siege Tank attacks vs +2 Armor Vulture and hits once directly: 80-((80-2)*0.75)=21.5 of 80 HP left. Wow, cool (and well done).  The reality of it points out a couple of interesting scenarios... for instance, a +3 armor SCV can survive being in the 50% zone of an upgraded reaver scarab blast. Resilient little suckers. | ||
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
On January 22 2015 06:17 CardinalAllin wrote: SnowFantasy That Leta vs Fantasy game on Ground Zero is the first one listed under 2 fac in the thread. How did you find that game in the end? Did you just recheck the 2 fac list of games? There is also this game (not from the thread) Bogus vs Lomo, rax expo vs proxy 2 fac: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/47601_INnoVation_vs_Lomo/vod Yeah you're right, I think I maybe just didn't check this game somehow. Someone else linked it to me. I'm pretty certain that the other ones aren't vs Rax fe though. I'll maybe check later. | ||
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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
On January 22 2015 09:19 [[Starlight]] wrote: The real real question is, why do you assume that examples are always real gameplay? I was just shooting for a certain set of numbers. but...but... the joke and... sorry  | ||
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