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http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players
Common
Rax expo->3 fac
Rax expo->2 fac armoury academy (2 tank 4 gol)
Rax expo->2 fac armoury academy (vult then gol with no shops)
Rax expo->1 fac 2 star
Rax expo->2 fac 1 star
Rax expo->1 fac 1 star
Fac expo->2 fac armoury academy (vult then gol with no shops)
Fac expo->2 fac armoury
Fac expo->3 fac
Fac expo->1 star
Less common
2 fac
2 star
1 fac 1 star
CC first
8 rax
Fac expo->siege mode attack vs Rax expo
Common
Rax expo->3 fac
Flash vs Turn Neo Ground Zero
Flash vs Bogus New Sniper Ridge
Flash vs Leta La Mancha
Fantasy vs Rush New Sniper Ridge
Leta vs Flash New Sniper Ridge
Flash vs Bogus Gladiator
Last vs Fantasy Jade
Flash vs Really Circuit Breaker
Skyhigh vs Flash Circuit Breaker
Lomo vs Really Circuit Breaker
Sea vs Major La Mancha
Light vs Piano Sniper Ridge
Mind vs Skyhigh New Sniper Ridge
Hiya vs Reality Beltway
Hiya vs Leta Grandline
Sea vs Skyhigh Circuit Breaker (cc first)
Mind vs Light Polaris Rhapsody (cc first)
Lomo vs Fantasy Polaris Rhapsody
Rax expo->2 fac armoury academy (2 tank 4 gol)
Turn vs Flash Neo Ground Zero (cc first)
Fantasy vs Flash Neo Ground Zero
Flash vs Fantasy Ground Zero
Leta vs Flash La Mancha
Classic vs Fantasy Sniper Ridge
Fantasy vs Last Jade
Bogus vs Flash New Sniper Ridge
Flash vs Ssak La Mancha
Flash vs Midas La Mancha
Reality vs Hiya Beltway
Leta vs Hiya Grandline
Sea vs Mind Gladiator
Sea vs Leta Polaris Rhapsody
Rax expo->2 fac armoury academy (vult then gol with no shops)
Flash vs Leta New Sniper Ridge
Major vs Sea La Mancha
Reality vs Hiya La Mancha
Rax expo->1 fac 2 star
Flash vs Fantasy New Sniper Ridge (both)
Flash vs Skyhigh Circuit Breaker
Bogus vs Iris Sniper Ridge
Bogus vs Leta Ground Zero
Hiya vs Iris Fortress
Rax expo->2 fac 1 star
Flash vs Fantasy Neo Ground Zero (cc first)
Canata vs Fantasy New Sniper Ridge
Rax expo->1 fac 1 star
Skyhigh vs Fantasy Jade
Flash vs Really Circuit Breaker
Fantasy vs Leta Ground Zero
Sea vs Hiya La Mancha (cc first)
Flash vs Last Circuit Breaker
Leta vs Bogus Ground Zero
Jyj vs Last La Mancha
Mind vs Hiya La Mancha
Hiya vs Classic La Mancha
Jyj vs Flash New Sniper Ridge
Hiya vs Classic La Mancha
Fac expo->2 fac armoury academy (vult then gol with no shops)
Flash vs Bogus New Sniper Ridge
Fantasy vs Canata Jade
Turn vs Bogus New Sniper Ridge
Flash vs Bogus La Mancha
Fac expo->2 fac armoury
Fantasy vs Classic Sniper Ridge
Fantasy vs Skyhigh Jade
Fantasy vs Reality Sniper Ridge
Fantasy vs Sin Neo Jade
Reality vs Sea New Sniper Ridge
Classic vs Hiya La Mancha
Piano vs Light Sniper Ridge
Firebathero vs Hon Sin New Sniper Ridge
Flash vs Jyj New Sniper Ridge
Skyhigh vs Mind New Sniper Ridge
Sea vs Flash Polaris Rhapsody
Lomo vs Flash Polaris Rhapsody
Flash vs Hiya Polaris Rhapsody
Hiya vs Flash Polaris Rhapsody
Leta vs Sea Polaris Rhapsody
Puma vs Sharp Polaris Rhapsody
Fac expo->3 fac
Bogus vs Flash Gladiator
Really vs Flash Circuit Breaker
Rush vs Fantasy New Sniper Ridge
Flash vs Light Jade
Flash vs Sea La Mancha (both)
Reality vs Bogus Neo Jade
Skyhigh vs Sea Circuit Breaker
Really vs Lomo Circuit Breaker
Fantasy vs Last Grandline
Sea vs Reality New Sniper Ridge
Reality vs Mind New Sniper Ridge
Barracks vs Hon Sin New Sniper Ridge
Hon Sin vs Barracks New Sniper Ridge
Piano vs Barracks New Sniper Ridge
Barracks vs Piano New Sniper Ridge
Hiya vs Bogus New Empire of the Sun
Bogus vs Hiya New Empire of the Sun
Hiya vs Mind Circuit Breaker
Mind vs Sea Gladiator (mines then 4 fac tank vult)
Light vs Mind Polaris Rhapsody
Sharp vs Puma Polaris Rhapsody
Fac expo->1 star
Fantasy vs Flash Ground Zero
Reality vs Fantasy Sniper Ridge
Bbyong vs Reality Neo Jade
Hon Sin vs Firebathero New Sniper Ridge
TY vs Ssak New Sniper Ridge
Less common
2 fac
Leta vs Fantasy Ground Zero
Reality vs Bbyong Neo Jade
Turn vs Sea Sniper Ridge
Fantasy vs Sea Empire of the Sun (careful, there are 2 games on this map between these two)
Turn vs Canata Neo Ground Zero
Classic vs Hon Sin New Sniper Ridge (proxy 2 fac)
Firebathero vs Hiya Aztec
2 star
Light vs Flash Jade
Fantasy vs TY Icarus
Piano vs Light La Mancha
Ssak vs TY New Sniper Ridge
Iris vs Hiya Fortress
Flash vs Sea Polaris Rhapsody
1 fac 1 star
TY vs Flash Empire of the Sun
Canata vs Turn Neo Ground Zero
Flash vs Lomo Polaris Rhapsody
CC first
Turn vs Flash Neo Ground Zero
Sea vs Skyhigh Circuit Breaker
Mind vs Hiya Circuit Breaker
Mind vs Light Polaris Rhapsody
Flash vs Fantasy Neo Ground Zero
Sea vs Hiya La Mancha
8 rax
Reality vs Flash Jade
Reality vs Flash Beltway
Sin vs Fantasy Neo Jade
Sea vs Fantasy New Sniper Ridge
Bogus vs Reality Neo Jade
Hiya vs Fantasy Gladiator
Leta vs Ruby Polaris Rhapsody
Midas vs Flash Polaris Rhapsody (rax expo from Flash)
Fac expo->siege mode attack vs Rax expo
Fantasy vs Canata New Sniper Ridge
Iris vs Bogus Sniper Ridge
TY vs Reality New Empire of the Sun
Hiya vs Reality La Mancha
Hiya vs Mind La Mancha
Flash vs Jyj New Sniper Ridge (disguised as siege mode attack, but actually gets 2 tanks then mines)
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Bisutopia17982 Posts
This is a great list. Now do every matchup!
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You're awesome, I wish I had this a few years ago.
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there is a lack in less common builds:
fd push into exp (same as in tvp)
2 fact 1 star goliath drop
2 rax pressure into siege expand
1 rax akademy-range without stim push into siege expand
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Bisutopia17982 Posts
I wish there were reps for all these and not just vods to look b up too. It helps for when I want to do strategy analysis on my stream. A man can dream ^_^
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The games are a selection from televised korean matches that were played in 2012/2011 on any of the 'standard 4 player maps', specifically:
Neo Ground Zero/Sniper Ridge/New Sniper Ridge/Dantes Peak/Dantes Peak SE/Circuit Breaker/La Mancha/Empire of the Sun/New Empire of the Sun/Jade/Neo Jade
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On June 16 2014 18:30 radley wrote:
there is a lack in less common builds:
fd push into exp (same as in tvp)
2 fact 1 star goliath drop
2 rax pressure into siege expand
1 rax akademy-range without stim push into siege expand
Yeah but these openings are so bad man :p.
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"so bad" might be an understatement.
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On June 16 2014 23:58 Forcewater wrote:
"so bad" might be an understatement.
1 rax akademy-range without stim push into siege expand is relativly advanced strat since a supply block at 18 population is needed in order to execute it afaik
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you can laugh, but i have seen many terrans dying to this strat, and they were high ranks.
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there are no "bad" openings per se, what can seem bad can be a counter build depending on what the opponent is doing.
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progamers aren't using those builds except the gol's drop (which is extremly rare) so i don't see how its relevant to the thread.
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They must not know about it. I'm sure they're game breaking though.
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Can a mod please edit the OP to the following:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players
Here is a link to a thread that has more details about
rax expo->3 fac
and
rax expo->2 fac armoury academy (1 tank 4 gol)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-strategy/513064-tvt-axiom-build-order
Common
Rax expo->3 fac
Rax expo->2 fac armoury academy (2 tank 4 gol)
Rax expo->2 fac armoury academy (vult then gol with no shops)
Rax expo->1 fac 2 star
Rax expo->2 fac 1 star
Rax expo->1 fac 1 star
Fac expo->2 fac armoury academy (vult then gol with no shops)
Fac expo->2 fac armoury
Fac expo->3 fac
Fac expo->1 star
Less common
2 fac
2 star
1 fac 1 star
Fac expo->2 star
CC first
8 rax
Fac expo->siege mode attack vs Rax expo
Common
Rax expo->3 fac
Flash vs Turn Neo Ground Zero
Flash vs Bogus New Sniper Ridge
Flash vs Leta La Mancha
Fantasy vs Rush New Sniper Ridge
Leta vs Flash New Sniper Ridge
Flash vs Bogus Gladiator
Last vs Fantasy Jade
Flash vs Really Circuit Breaker
Skyhigh vs Flash Circuit Breaker
Lomo vs Really Circuit Breaker
Sea vs Major La Mancha
Light vs Piano Sniper Ridge
Mind vs Skyhigh New Sniper Ridge
Hiya vs Reality Beltway
Hiya vs Leta Grandline
Sea vs Skyhigh Circuit Breaker (cc first)
Mind vs Light Polaris Rhapsody (cc first)
Lomo vs Fantasy Polaris Rhapsody
Flash vs Really Circuit Breaker (MSL game) (cc first) (both)
Light vs Mind La Mancha (MSL game) (cc first)
Flash vs Mind Circuit Breaker (cc first)
Rax expo->2 fac armoury academy (2 tank 4 gol)
Turn vs Flash Neo Ground Zero (cc first)
Fantasy vs Flash Neo Ground Zero
Flash vs Fantasy Ground Zero
Leta vs Flash La Mancha
Classic vs Fantasy Sniper Ridge
Fantasy vs Last Jade
Bogus vs Flash New Sniper Ridge
Flash vs Ssak La Mancha
Flash vs Midas La Mancha
Reality vs Hiya Beltway
Leta vs Hiya Grandline
Sea vs Mind Gladiator
Sea vs Leta Polaris Rhapsody
Flash vs Leta Monte Cristo (MSL game)
Really vs Flash Dantes Peak SE (MSL game)
Really vs Flash La Mancha (MSL game)
Sharp vs Skyhigh Beltway
Reality vs Hiya La Mancha
Rax expo->2 fac armoury academy (vult then gol with no shops)
Flash vs Leta New Sniper Ridge
Major vs Sea La Mancha
Flash vs Really La Mancha (MSL game)(no gols)
Rax expo->1 fac 2 star
Flash vs Fantasy New Sniper Ridge (both)
Flash vs Skyhigh Circuit Breaker
Bogus vs Iris Sniper Ridge
Bogus vs Leta Ground Zero
Hiya vs Iris Fortress
Flash vs Really Dantes Peak SE (MSL game)
Rax expo->2 fac 1 star
Flash vs Fantasy Neo Ground Zero (cc first)
Canata vs Fantasy New Sniper Ridge
Rax expo->1 fac 1 star
Skyhigh vs Fantasy Jade
Flash vs Really Circuit Breaker
Fantasy vs Leta Ground Zero
Sea vs Hiya La Mancha (cc first)
Flash vs Last Circuit Breaker
Leta vs Bogus Ground Zero
Jyj vs Last La Mancha
Mind vs Hiya La Mancha
Hiya vs Classic La Mancha
Jyj vs Flash New Sniper Ridge
Hiya vs Classic La Mancha
Leta vs Flash Circuit Breaker (cc first vs centre barracks) (MSL game)
Mind vs Light La Mancha (MSL game)
Fantasy vs Skyhigh Beltway
Fac expo->2 fac armoury academy (vult then gol with no shops)
Flash vs Bogus New Sniper Ridge
Fantasy vs Canata Jade
Turn vs Bogus New Sniper Ridge
Flash vs Bogus La Mancha
Fac expo->2 fac armoury
Fantasy vs Classic Sniper Ridge
Fantasy vs Skyhigh Jade
Fantasy vs Reality Sniper Ridge
Fantasy vs Sin Neo Jade
Reality vs Sea New Sniper Ridge
Classic vs Hiya La Mancha
Piano vs Light Sniper Ridge
Firebathero vs Hon Sin New Sniper Ridge
Flash vs Jyj New Sniper Ridge
Skyhigh vs Mind New Sniper Ridge
Sea vs Flash Polaris Rhapsody
Lomo vs Flash Polaris Rhapsody
Flash vs Hiya Polaris Rhapsody
Hiya vs Flash Polaris Rhapsody
Leta vs Sea Polaris Rhapsody
Puma vs Sharp Polaris Rhapsody
Flash vs Leta Circuit Breaker (MSL game)
Leta vs Flash Monte Cristo (MSL game) (2 fac no armoury technically)
Mind vs Light Circuit Breaker(MSL game) (2 fac no armoury technically) (defending 8 rax then 2 fac)
Light vs Mind Dantes Peak SE (MSL game) (1 fac armoury technically)
Fac expo->3 fac
Bogus vs Flash Gladiator
Really vs Flash Circuit Breaker
Rush vs Fantasy New Sniper Ridge
Flash vs Light Jade
Flash vs Sea La Mancha (both)
Reality vs Bogus Neo Jade
Skyhigh vs Sea Circuit Breaker
Really vs Lomo Circuit Breaker
Fantasy vs Last Grandline
Sea vs Reality New Sniper Ridge
Reality vs Mind New Sniper Ridge
Barracks vs Hon Sin New Sniper Ridge
Hon Sin vs Barracks New Sniper Ridge
Piano vs Barracks New Sniper Ridge
Barracks vs Piano New Sniper Ridge
Hiya vs Bogus New Empire of the Sun
Bogus vs Hiya New Empire of the Sun
Hiya vs Mind Circuit Breaker
Mind vs Sea Gladiator (mines then 4 fac tank vult)
Light vs Mind Polaris Rhapsody
Sharp vs Puma Polaris Rhapsody
Mind vs Flash Circuit Breaker
Fac expo->1 star
Fantasy vs Flash Ground Zero
Reality vs Fantasy Sniper Ridge
Bbyong vs Reality Neo Jade
Hon Sin vs Firebathero New Sniper Ridge
TY vs Ssak New Sniper Ridge
Less common
2 fac
Leta vs Fantasy Ground Zero
Reality vs Bbyong Neo Jade
Turn vs Sea Sniper Ridge
Fantasy vs Sea Empire of the Sun (careful, there are 2 games on this map between these two)
Turn vs Canata Neo Ground Zero
Classic vs Hon Sin New Sniper Ridge (proxy 2 fac)
Firebathero vs Hiya Aztec
2 star
Light vs Flash Jade
Fantasy vs TY Icarus
Piano vs Light La Mancha
Ssak vs TY New Sniper Ridge
Iris vs Hiya Fortress
Flash vs Sea Polaris Rhapsody
1 fac 1 star
TY vs Flash Empire of the Sun
Canata vs Turn Neo Ground Zero
Flash vs Lomo Polaris Rhapsody
Fac expo->2 star
Skyhigh vs Fantasy Beltway
CC first
Turn vs Flash Neo Ground Zero
Sea vs Skyhigh Circuit Breaker
Mind vs Hiya Circuit Breaker
Mind vs Light Polaris Rhapsody
Flash vs Fantasy Neo Ground Zero
Sea vs Hiya La Mancha
Leta vs Flash Circuit Breaker (MSL game)
Flash vs Really Circuit Breaker (MSL game)
Light vs Mind La Mancha (MSL game)
Flash vs Mind Circuit Breaker
8 rax
Reality vs Flash Jade
Reality vs Flash Beltway
Sin vs Fantasy Neo Jade
Sea vs Fantasy New Sniper Ridge
Bogus vs Reality Neo Jade
Hiya vs Fantasy Gladiator
Leta vs Ruby Polaris Rhapsody
Midas vs Flash Polaris Rhapsody (rax expo from Flash)
Flash vs Leta La Mancha (MSL game)
Light vs Mind Circuit Breaker (MSL game)
Mind vs Light Dantes Peak SE (MSL game)
Fac expo->siege mode attack vs Rax expo
Fantasy vs Canata New Sniper Ridge
Iris vs Bogus Sniper Ridge
TY vs Reality New Empire of the Sun
Hiya vs Reality La Mancha
Hiya vs Mind La Mancha
Bishop vs Last on Neo Jade
Flash vs Jyj New Sniper Ridge (disguised as siege mode attack, but actually gets 2 tanks then mines)
Games that don’t fit into above categories
Flash vs Leta Dantes Peak SE (Flash rax expo->2 fac armoury->4 fac then 5 fac vult)(Leta fac expo->mines then siege, 3 fac 1 shop bunker contain
Flash Air strategy examples (only 3 factories ever. Then starports after that)
Flash vs Really Dantes Peak SE
Flash vs Leta Monte Cristo
Flash vs ? Polaris Rhapsody
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