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http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players Common Rax expo->3 fac Rax expo->2 fac armoury academy (2 tank 4 gol) Rax expo->2 fac armoury academy (vult then gol with no shops) Rax expo->1 fac 2 star Rax expo->2 fac 1 star Rax expo->1 fac 1 star
Fac expo->2 fac armoury academy (vult then gol with no shops) Fac expo->2 fac armoury Fac expo->3 fac Fac expo->1 star
Less common 2 fac 2 star 1 fac 1 star CC first 8 rax Fac expo->siege mode attack vs Rax expo
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Rax expo->3 fac Flash vs Turn Neo Ground Zero Flash vs Bogus New Sniper Ridge Flash vs Leta La Mancha Fantasy vs Rush New Sniper Ridge Leta vs Flash New Sniper Ridge Flash vs Bogus Gladiator Last vs Fantasy Jade Flash vs Really Circuit Breaker Skyhigh vs Flash Circuit Breaker Lomo vs Really Circuit Breaker Sea vs Major La Mancha Light vs Piano Sniper Ridge Mind vs Skyhigh New Sniper Ridge Hiya vs Reality Beltway Hiya vs Leta Grandline Sea vs Skyhigh Circuit Breaker (cc first) Mind vs Light Polaris Rhapsody (cc first) Lomo vs Fantasy Polaris Rhapsody
Rax expo->2 fac armoury academy (2 tank 4 gol) Turn vs Flash Neo Ground Zero (cc first) Fantasy vs Flash Neo Ground Zero Flash vs Fantasy Ground Zero Leta vs Flash La Mancha Classic vs Fantasy Sniper Ridge Fantasy vs Last Jade Bogus vs Flash New Sniper Ridge Flash vs Ssak La Mancha Flash vs Midas La Mancha Reality vs Hiya Beltway Leta vs Hiya Grandline Sea vs Mind Gladiator Sea vs Leta Polaris Rhapsody
Rax expo->2 fac armoury academy (vult then gol with no shops) Flash vs Leta New Sniper Ridge Major vs Sea La Mancha Reality vs Hiya La Mancha
Rax expo->1 fac 2 star Flash vs Fantasy New Sniper Ridge (both) Flash vs Skyhigh Circuit Breaker Bogus vs Iris Sniper Ridge Bogus vs Leta Ground Zero Hiya vs Iris Fortress
Rax expo->2 fac 1 star Flash vs Fantasy Neo Ground Zero (cc first) Canata vs Fantasy New Sniper Ridge
Rax expo->1 fac 1 star Skyhigh vs Fantasy Jade Flash vs Really Circuit Breaker Fantasy vs Leta Ground Zero Sea vs Hiya La Mancha (cc first) Flash vs Last Circuit Breaker Leta vs Bogus Ground Zero Jyj vs Last La Mancha Mind vs Hiya La Mancha Hiya vs Classic La Mancha Jyj vs Flash New Sniper Ridge Hiya vs Classic La Mancha
Fac expo->2 fac armoury academy (vult then gol with no shops) Flash vs Bogus New Sniper Ridge Fantasy vs Canata Jade Turn vs Bogus New Sniper Ridge Flash vs Bogus La Mancha
Fac expo->2 fac armoury Fantasy vs Classic Sniper Ridge Fantasy vs Skyhigh Jade Fantasy vs Reality Sniper Ridge Fantasy vs Sin Neo Jade Reality vs Sea New Sniper Ridge Classic vs Hiya La Mancha Piano vs Light Sniper Ridge Firebathero vs Hon Sin New Sniper Ridge Flash vs Jyj New Sniper Ridge Skyhigh vs Mind New Sniper Ridge Sea vs Flash Polaris Rhapsody Lomo vs Flash Polaris Rhapsody Flash vs Hiya Polaris Rhapsody Hiya vs Flash Polaris Rhapsody Leta vs Sea Polaris Rhapsody Puma vs Sharp Polaris Rhapsody
Fac expo->3 fac Bogus vs Flash Gladiator Really vs Flash Circuit Breaker Rush vs Fantasy New Sniper Ridge Flash vs Light Jade Flash vs Sea La Mancha (both) Reality vs Bogus Neo Jade Skyhigh vs Sea Circuit Breaker Really vs Lomo Circuit Breaker Fantasy vs Last Grandline Sea vs Reality New Sniper Ridge Reality vs Mind New Sniper Ridge Barracks vs Hon Sin New Sniper Ridge Hon Sin vs Barracks New Sniper Ridge Piano vs Barracks New Sniper Ridge Barracks vs Piano New Sniper Ridge Hiya vs Bogus New Empire of the Sun Bogus vs Hiya New Empire of the Sun Hiya vs Mind Circuit Breaker Mind vs Sea Gladiator (mines then 4 fac tank vult) Light vs Mind Polaris Rhapsody Sharp vs Puma Polaris Rhapsody
Fac expo->1 star Fantasy vs Flash Ground Zero Reality vs Fantasy Sniper Ridge Bbyong vs Reality Neo Jade Hon Sin vs Firebathero New Sniper Ridge TY vs Ssak New Sniper Ridge
Less common
2 fac Leta vs Fantasy Ground Zero Reality vs Bbyong Neo Jade Turn vs Sea Sniper Ridge Fantasy vs Sea Empire of the Sun (careful, there are 2 games on this map between these two) Turn vs Canata Neo Ground Zero Classic vs Hon Sin New Sniper Ridge (proxy 2 fac) Firebathero vs Hiya Aztec
2 star Light vs Flash Jade Fantasy vs TY Icarus Piano vs Light La Mancha Ssak vs TY New Sniper Ridge Iris vs Hiya Fortress Flash vs Sea Polaris Rhapsody
1 fac 1 star TY vs Flash Empire of the Sun Canata vs Turn Neo Ground Zero Flash vs Lomo Polaris Rhapsody
CC first Turn vs Flash Neo Ground Zero Sea vs Skyhigh Circuit Breaker Mind vs Hiya Circuit Breaker Mind vs Light Polaris Rhapsody Flash vs Fantasy Neo Ground Zero Sea vs Hiya La Mancha
8 rax Reality vs Flash Jade Reality vs Flash Beltway Sin vs Fantasy Neo Jade Sea vs Fantasy New Sniper Ridge Bogus vs Reality Neo Jade Hiya vs Fantasy Gladiator Leta vs Ruby Polaris Rhapsody Midas vs Flash Polaris Rhapsody (rax expo from Flash)
Fac expo->siege mode attack vs Rax expo Fantasy vs Canata New Sniper Ridge Iris vs Bogus Sniper Ridge TY vs Reality New Empire of the Sun Hiya vs Reality La Mancha Hiya vs Mind La Mancha Flash vs Jyj New Sniper Ridge (disguised as siege mode attack, but actually gets 2 tanks then mines)
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Bisutopia19033 Posts
This is a great list. Now do every matchup!
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You're awesome, I wish I had this a few years ago.
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there is a lack in less common builds: fd push into exp (same as in tvp) 2 fact 1 star goliath drop 2 rax pressure into siege expand 1 rax akademy-range without stim push into siege expand
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Bisutopia19033 Posts
I wish there were reps for all these and not just vods to look b up too. It helps for when I want to do strategy analysis on my stream. A man can dream ^_^
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The games are a selection from televised korean matches that were played in 2012/2011 on any of the 'standard 4 player maps', specifically: Neo Ground Zero/Sniper Ridge/New Sniper Ridge/Dantes Peak/Dantes Peak SE/Circuit Breaker/La Mancha/Empire of the Sun/New Empire of the Sun/Jade/Neo Jade
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On June 16 2014 18:30 radley wrote: there is a lack in less common builds: fd push into exp (same as in tvp) 2 fact 1 star goliath drop 2 rax pressure into siege expand 1 rax akademy-range without stim push into siege expand
Yeah but these openings are so bad man :p.
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"so bad" might be an understatement.
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On June 16 2014 23:58 Forcewater wrote: "so bad" might be an understatement.
1 rax akademy-range without stim push into siege expand is relativly advanced strat since a supply block at 18 population is needed in order to execute it afaik
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you can laugh, but i have seen many terrans dying to this strat, and they were high ranks.
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there are no "bad" openings per se, what can seem bad can be a counter build depending on what the opponent is doing.
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progamers aren't using those builds except the gol's drop (which is extremly rare) so i don't see how its relevant to the thread.
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They must not know about it. I'm sure they're game breaking though.
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Can a mod please edit the OP to the following:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players
Here is a link to a thread that has more details about rax expo->3 fac and rax expo->2 fac armoury academy (1 tank 4 gol) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-strategy/513064-tvt-axiom-build-order
Common Rax expo->3 fac Rax expo->2 fac armoury academy (2 tank 4 gol) Rax expo->2 fac armoury academy (vult then gol with no shops) Rax expo->1 fac 2 star Rax expo->2 fac 1 star Rax expo->1 fac 1 star
Fac expo->2 fac armoury academy (vult then gol with no shops) Fac expo->2 fac armoury Fac expo->3 fac Fac expo->1 star
Less common 2 fac 2 star 1 fac 1 star Fac expo->2 star CC first 8 rax Fac expo->siege mode attack vs Rax expo
Common
Rax expo->3 fac Flash vs Turn Neo Ground Zero Flash vs Bogus New Sniper Ridge Flash vs Leta La Mancha Fantasy vs Rush New Sniper Ridge Leta vs Flash New Sniper Ridge Flash vs Bogus Gladiator Last vs Fantasy Jade Flash vs Really Circuit Breaker Skyhigh vs Flash Circuit Breaker Lomo vs Really Circuit Breaker Sea vs Major La Mancha Light vs Piano Sniper Ridge Mind vs Skyhigh New Sniper Ridge Hiya vs Reality Beltway Hiya vs Leta Grandline Sea vs Skyhigh Circuit Breaker (cc first) Mind vs Light Polaris Rhapsody (cc first) Lomo vs Fantasy Polaris Rhapsody Flash vs Really Circuit Breaker (MSL game) (cc first) (both) Light vs Mind La Mancha (MSL game) (cc first) Flash vs Mind Circuit Breaker (cc first)
Rax expo->2 fac armoury academy (2 tank 4 gol) Turn vs Flash Neo Ground Zero (cc first) Fantasy vs Flash Neo Ground Zero Flash vs Fantasy Ground Zero Leta vs Flash La Mancha Classic vs Fantasy Sniper Ridge Fantasy vs Last Jade Bogus vs Flash New Sniper Ridge Flash vs Ssak La Mancha Flash vs Midas La Mancha Reality vs Hiya Beltway Leta vs Hiya Grandline Sea vs Mind Gladiator Sea vs Leta Polaris Rhapsody Flash vs Leta Monte Cristo (MSL game) Really vs Flash Dantes Peak SE (MSL game) Really vs Flash La Mancha (MSL game) Sharp vs Skyhigh Beltway Reality vs Hiya La Mancha
Rax expo->2 fac armoury academy (vult then gol with no shops) Flash vs Leta New Sniper Ridge Major vs Sea La Mancha Flash vs Really La Mancha (MSL game)(no gols)
Rax expo->1 fac 2 star Flash vs Fantasy New Sniper Ridge (both) Flash vs Skyhigh Circuit Breaker Bogus vs Iris Sniper Ridge Bogus vs Leta Ground Zero Hiya vs Iris Fortress Flash vs Really Dantes Peak SE (MSL game)
Rax expo->2 fac 1 star Flash vs Fantasy Neo Ground Zero (cc first) Canata vs Fantasy New Sniper Ridge
Rax expo->1 fac 1 star Skyhigh vs Fantasy Jade Flash vs Really Circuit Breaker Fantasy vs Leta Ground Zero Sea vs Hiya La Mancha (cc first) Flash vs Last Circuit Breaker Leta vs Bogus Ground Zero Jyj vs Last La Mancha Mind vs Hiya La Mancha Hiya vs Classic La Mancha Jyj vs Flash New Sniper Ridge Hiya vs Classic La Mancha Leta vs Flash Circuit Breaker (cc first vs centre barracks) (MSL game) Mind vs Light La Mancha (MSL game) Fantasy vs Skyhigh Beltway
Fac expo->2 fac armoury academy (vult then gol with no shops) Flash vs Bogus New Sniper Ridge Fantasy vs Canata Jade Turn vs Bogus New Sniper Ridge Flash vs Bogus La Mancha
Fac expo->2 fac armoury Fantasy vs Classic Sniper Ridge Fantasy vs Skyhigh Jade Fantasy vs Reality Sniper Ridge Fantasy vs Sin Neo Jade Reality vs Sea New Sniper Ridge Classic vs Hiya La Mancha Piano vs Light Sniper Ridge Firebathero vs Hon Sin New Sniper Ridge Flash vs Jyj New Sniper Ridge Skyhigh vs Mind New Sniper Ridge Sea vs Flash Polaris Rhapsody Lomo vs Flash Polaris Rhapsody Flash vs Hiya Polaris Rhapsody Hiya vs Flash Polaris Rhapsody Leta vs Sea Polaris Rhapsody Puma vs Sharp Polaris Rhapsody Flash vs Leta Circuit Breaker (MSL game) Leta vs Flash Monte Cristo (MSL game) (2 fac no armoury technically) Mind vs Light Circuit Breaker(MSL game) (2 fac no armoury technically) (defending 8 rax then 2 fac) Light vs Mind Dantes Peak SE (MSL game) (1 fac armoury technically)
Fac expo->3 fac Bogus vs Flash Gladiator Really vs Flash Circuit Breaker Rush vs Fantasy New Sniper Ridge Flash vs Light Jade Flash vs Sea La Mancha (both) Reality vs Bogus Neo Jade Skyhigh vs Sea Circuit Breaker Really vs Lomo Circuit Breaker Fantasy vs Last Grandline Sea vs Reality New Sniper Ridge Reality vs Mind New Sniper Ridge Barracks vs Hon Sin New Sniper Ridge Hon Sin vs Barracks New Sniper Ridge Piano vs Barracks New Sniper Ridge Barracks vs Piano New Sniper Ridge Hiya vs Bogus New Empire of the Sun Bogus vs Hiya New Empire of the Sun Hiya vs Mind Circuit Breaker Mind vs Sea Gladiator (mines then 4 fac tank vult) Light vs Mind Polaris Rhapsody Sharp vs Puma Polaris Rhapsody Mind vs Flash Circuit Breaker
Fac expo->1 star Fantasy vs Flash Ground Zero Reality vs Fantasy Sniper Ridge Bbyong vs Reality Neo Jade Hon Sin vs Firebathero New Sniper Ridge TY vs Ssak New Sniper Ridge
Less common
2 fac Leta vs Fantasy Ground Zero Reality vs Bbyong Neo Jade Turn vs Sea Sniper Ridge Fantasy vs Sea Empire of the Sun (careful, there are 2 games on this map between these two) Turn vs Canata Neo Ground Zero Classic vs Hon Sin New Sniper Ridge (proxy 2 fac) Firebathero vs Hiya Aztec
2 star Light vs Flash Jade Fantasy vs TY Icarus Piano vs Light La Mancha Ssak vs TY New Sniper Ridge Iris vs Hiya Fortress Flash vs Sea Polaris Rhapsody
1 fac 1 star TY vs Flash Empire of the Sun Canata vs Turn Neo Ground Zero Flash vs Lomo Polaris Rhapsody
Fac expo->2 star Skyhigh vs Fantasy Beltway
CC first Turn vs Flash Neo Ground Zero Sea vs Skyhigh Circuit Breaker Mind vs Hiya Circuit Breaker Mind vs Light Polaris Rhapsody Flash vs Fantasy Neo Ground Zero Sea vs Hiya La Mancha Leta vs Flash Circuit Breaker (MSL game) Flash vs Really Circuit Breaker (MSL game) Light vs Mind La Mancha (MSL game) Flash vs Mind Circuit Breaker
8 rax Reality vs Flash Jade Reality vs Flash Beltway Sin vs Fantasy Neo Jade Sea vs Fantasy New Sniper Ridge Bogus vs Reality Neo Jade Hiya vs Fantasy Gladiator Leta vs Ruby Polaris Rhapsody Midas vs Flash Polaris Rhapsody (rax expo from Flash) Flash vs Leta La Mancha (MSL game) Light vs Mind Circuit Breaker (MSL game) Mind vs Light Dantes Peak SE (MSL game)
Fac expo->siege mode attack vs Rax expo Fantasy vs Canata New Sniper Ridge Iris vs Bogus Sniper Ridge TY vs Reality New Empire of the Sun Hiya vs Reality La Mancha Hiya vs Mind La Mancha Bishop vs Last on Neo Jade Flash vs Jyj New Sniper Ridge (disguised as siege mode attack, but actually gets 2 tanks then mines)
Games that don’t fit into above categories Flash vs Leta Dantes Peak SE (Flash rax expo->2 fac armoury->4 fac then 5 fac vult)(Leta fac expo->mines then siege, 3 fac 1 shop bunker contain
Flash Air strategy examples (only 3 factories ever. Then starports after that) Flash vs Really Dantes Peak SE Flash vs Leta Monte Cristo Flash vs ? Polaris Rhapsody
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