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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 19 2011 21:14 GMT
#21
From all the writeups I've seen they talk about Guardians being one of the most useless units in ZvZ. Uber slow so you lose your mobility, die to scourge, and you'll get defilers before Guards anyways so a darkswarm essentially nullifies Guardians, because it's not like they can easily manuever to other locations to avoid firing into DS.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
April 19 2011 23:31 GMT
#22
They are totally immobile which is pretty much the exact opposite of what you want in a ZvZ.
GG.NoRe
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1051 Posts
April 20 2011 01:16 GMT
#23
On April 20 2011 06:14 FabledIntegral wrote:
From all the writeups I've seen they talk about Guardians being one of the most useless units in ZvZ. Uber slow so you lose your mobility, die to scourge, and you'll get defilers before Guards anyways so a darkswarm essentially nullifies Guardians, because it's not like they can easily manuever to other locations to avoid firing into DS.


Is ok because you see my Defiler use in OP. Plague Defiler and/or attach with zerglings. Or if they use swarm to drones, as you said, its good because it means no swarm for army and you can kill Defiler before consume.
DONGJWA!
xiaofan
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States513 Posts
April 20 2011 03:25 GMT
#24
On April 20 2011 03:38 Chill wrote:
I haven't played Brood War for a year and you guys are idiots. Gr8 thread.


this
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19240 Posts
April 20 2011 05:32 GMT
#25
On April 20 2011 12:25 xiaofan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2011 03:38 Chill wrote:
I haven't played Brood War for a year and you guys are idiots. Gr8 thread.


this

this....has killed the thread. Gaurdians are only nice when u have 3 muta left and nothing else to do with em late game.
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~ava
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada378 Posts
April 20 2011 06:29 GMT
#26
I thought the thread was interesting, good job OP for trying your best with your 2nd language.
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2585 Posts
April 20 2011 07:15 GMT
#27
Front page please : ) Its funny reading the comments
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
April 20 2011 08:14 GMT
#28
Doh T___T

mutalisk have taken that position for years T__T
Jaedong :3
GG.NoRe
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1051 Posts
April 20 2011 11:22 GMT
#29
On April 20 2011 14:32 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2011 12:25 xiaofan wrote:
On April 20 2011 03:38 Chill wrote:
I haven't played Brood War for a year and you guys are idiots. Gr8 thread.


this

this....has killed the thread. Gaurdians are only nice when u have 3 muta left and nothing else to do with em late game.


On April 20 2011 17:14 ReketSomething wrote:
Doh T___T

mutalisk have taken that position for years T__T


Im sorry but you are grossly missed my point here. Situation of the game is both within air superiority mode already and mass Mutalisk and Devourer. Obviously scourge is no use. Both are trying to transition to ground, thats why get Hydra Den and Defiler Mound and Ultralisk Cavern. But before this transition, One Z can make surprise switch while harass base - make 2-3 Guardians to faster kill drones conpared to Mutalisk. And Mutalisk will instead be used for with Devourer for Defense of Guardian or just continue control of air.

Guardian are slow but make them in opponent base while harass. Imagine this, you harass base, of course he has Spore, thats why you reach Hive ZvZ. So even if you have more forces to destroy Building defense, his Devorer and Mutalisk come. During this time you can make Guardians to concentrate on drones while Mutalisk and Devoruer do air control or fight army. This is period of time when Z is really short of gas and every drone counts. You could sacrifice 2-3 50/100 in exchange so he has weak economy and disrupt tech to ground or him to make more Mutalisk.

I hope you understand my English.

On April 20 2011 15:29 ~ava wrote:
I thought the thread was interesting, good job OP for trying your best with your 2nd language.


Thank you. Im really sorry I hope my roomate is here to fix my English before I post. Just please understand. Thanks a lot.
DONGJWA!
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
April 20 2011 12:25 GMT
#30
So you mean, guardians can be used when the player has air superiority to minimize the threat of anti-guardian units, if so, you should put that detail in the OP. ^^

I couldn't help but agree with some of the points that other posters in the thread. Guardians are really vulnerable and slow, although I'm not eliminating the possibility that it might not work.

It might work as flying reavers?! XD
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shinjin
Profile Joined January 2010
United States398 Posts
April 20 2011 12:59 GMT
#31
thanks for the effort OP ^_^
teach me korean~

ㅋㅋㅋ

too bad like 99% of zvzs never reach hive anyways ) :
give it one more try because the best things in life dont come free.
Sajiki
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany522 Posts
April 20 2011 14:47 GMT
#32
this guide is epic win.
still sneaky drones can be srs problem
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