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Hi everyone. I was reading Ver's guide about improving in Broodwar and one thing he really emphasizes is watching and analyzing vods of progamers. I'm a zerg player, so I figured it made sense to start with watching Jaedong and analyzing his builds and style. Note that I picked the vod at random for the most part and I was not looking for an 'epic' game, but rather one where a build order was solidly executed. Please note that I am not a good player trying to teach anyone about how to play Broodwar but a fairly bad one making observations and trying to understand the thought process of progamers. Any criticism or correction is more than welcome.
So without further ado, here's Jaedong vs. Iris on Fighting Spirit.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/2fWp5.png) Jaedong spawns in the bottom left on Fighting Spirit. He sends his scouting overlord straight up, the direction with a natural between the two mains. Iris is at the top right, so Jaedong will see him with his first scout.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/Bd28r.png) Jaedong is going for the standard 12 hatch.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/uPmqT.png) Iris makes a wall with a depot and 2 barracks at his natural choke. He is going to be going for early game pressure. Jaedong's overlord arrives shortly after, allowing him to respond to Iris's build.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/nT8NV.png) Jaedong chooses not to go for the standard 3rd hatchery after spawning pool. From this, he can go 2 hatch muta, 2 hatch lurker, or an all-in speedling build.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/3kXQA.png) Iris starts a bunker at Jaedong's natural expansion. Jaedong pulls five drones to defend against it. Fewer drones won't do enough damage to delay the bunker rush, but more drones will put Jaedong behind economically.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/POd5R.png) Jaedong loses a couple drones trying to delay the bunker and places a sunken colony at his natural expansion. The bunker finishes and Jaedong holds his drones back until his first 4 lings pop and then surrounds them and drives off the bunker rush.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/tYO1K.png) After seeing only 4 lings from Jaedong and having already walled off his natural (not ling tight), Iris feels comfortable putting up a command center at his natural to try to keep up economically. He has not scouted Jaedong's main, so he doesn't know that Jaedong is playing non-standard (one of the weaknesses of using your first SCV to make a bunker).
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/H7Eic.png) Iris moves back out with four more marines to put a bit of pressure on Jaedong.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/fWBB0.png) Jaedong chooses to go 2 hatch lurker in response to Iris's bunker rush. He knows that Iris's scans will be delayed and his sunken + lings can deny any SCV scouting, so Iris will have no way of figuring out Jaedong's strategy until the lurkers have nearly finished.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/bCCEI.png) Iris chills out outside Jaedong's natural but does not attack. Four marines are not really viable against a sunken and zerglings, so I'm not really sure why he moved out at all. Maybe he was looking to intercept any scouts?
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/4AWS1.png) Iris leaves without doing anything with his marines.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/M827Z.png) Iris is starting his Engineering Bay and he just finished his academy. He still thinks that Jaedong is going for Mutalisks so he is not scrambling to set up turrets and bunkers to protect against the incoming lurker attack.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/vrvYl.png) Engineering bay finishes and Iris starts building his comstat stations.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/hUbs9.png) Jaedong's hydralisks are finished. He will be morphing them into lurkers shortly, but he wants to get them out of his natural and nearer the middle of the map. This serves two purposes: it shortens the amount of time it will take for his lurkers to reach Iris's natural once they finish and it makes it much less probable that Iris will scan them; though a scan in his main will still reveal the tech, Iris won't know the timing.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/bzY9i.png) Lurker tech finishes and Jaedong begins to morph three lurkers in the middle of the map.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/EJDiQ.png) Iris finally scans Jaedong's man and learns what's going on. He will need to set up a bunker and a turret at his natural choke to defend the incoming attack.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/fMIGk.png) Jaedong cleverly loops his zerglings up to the 12 o'clock expansion to set up a flank when he moves in with his lurkers.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/ga6iP.png) Iris starts his bunker. The barracks at Iris's natural choke block him from placing it where he normally would, so he has to build further forward.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/zmg5e.png) The awkward bunker placement plays right into Jaedong's hand as he sees it with his overlord and sends in the lings he placed at 12 to snipe the SCV and stop the bunker building.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/Dw1L1.png) Jaedong's lurkers finish just in time to support Jaedong's zerglings, sandwiching Iris's units between his own.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/OFgkU.png) Caught on a bridge between lurkers and zerglings, the medics and marines have no hope of survival.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/a78Yi.png) The wall at Iris's natural means Jaedong cannot walk directly in with his lurkers, but it also means that any reinforcements Iris might try to make are instantly impaled on lurker spines. Iris puts up a desperation bunker but Jaedong runs in zerglings and it quickly goes down.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/CISdC.png) With no units and no detection, Iris has no choice but to gg as Jaedong walks his lurkers into his mineral line.
Ok, that's all I've got for now. I don't feel that was particularly analytical, but I enjoyed watching and commenting on the game anyways, so hopefully I'll be able to keep doing this and learn more about how progamers play zerg!
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If you haven't already, check out the old (BW) Day[9] dailies. Those are all great pro VOD strategic analyses.
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awesome initiative man, if u do one of zvp ill comment on it too
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Do some JvF or JvS or JvB man! Just make sure JD wins them. Great effort
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That was really nice analysis, actually. Not too complex and you seemed to understand and easily explain the most important parts of the game.
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thx man,really enjoy MORE PLZ
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On March 22 2011 17:45 gongryong wrote:Do some JvF or JvS or JvB man! Just make sure JD wins them. Great effort 
LOL HAHA, YES I SECOND THIS. On topic: I found it very simple and attractive, keep it this way if you're still doing more it's great! Thanks.
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A good point to start from man, really nice analysis on a simple game. Next time, maybe try to pick a longer and more complicated struggle - figuring out the metagame and mindgame twists is essential to create decent strategic commentaries.
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On March 22 2011 21:31 shucklesors wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2011 17:45 gongryong wrote:Do some JvF or JvS or JvB man! Just make sure JD wins them. Great effort  LOL HAHA, YES I SECOND THIS. On topic: I found it very simple and attractive, keep it this way if you're still doing more it's great! Thanks. I really liked this. I really liked the layout and how it was to the point.
If you plan to do more, a game I would like to see analyzed would be the JD vs Flash game on Tau Cross from WCG, JD vs Midas on Odd-Eye from MSL, or that JD vs Flash game on Rush Hour 3.
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Nice work
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Nice job dude, thanks for posting. But Iris spawned top left
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Great analysis, really enjoyerd it. Do a protoss game next
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Good work! This game was pretty open and shut case though. I'd recommend doing the EPIC JVStork which took an hour, but you might not live to finish it.
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good job man, keep up the hard work.
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Good read, insightful as well.
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Good post, I enjoyed the read
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this was a great read would love to see more
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Iris chills out outside Jaedong's natural but does not attack. Four marines are not really viable against a sunken and zerglings, so I'm not really sure why he moved out at all. Maybe he was looking to intercept any scouts?
this is for pressure jaedong probably knew (either from overlord or ling scouts) that the five marines were moving out, and forced jaedong to make a sunken, which costs money+1 less drone. The other option for jaedong for defense is more lings, which isn't very larvae efficient. Moreover, the five marines would also allow for iris to scout an all-in ling attack off of 2 hatches, and prepare a response for it to save his main, throw up bunkers, and otherwise react properly.
Effectively, iris moved out in order to prevent jaedong from becoming too greedy, and to scout and add pressure. this concept will make a huge amount of sense to anyone who either watched day9 cast bw, and/or has seen some of his lessons from sc2.
great job though ^^
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On March 23 2011 05:29 GHOSTCLAW wrote:Show nested quote + Iris chills out outside Jaedong's natural but does not attack. Four marines are not really viable against a sunken and zerglings, so I'm not really sure why he moved out at all. Maybe he was looking to intercept any scouts?
this is for pressure jaedong probably knew (either from overlord or ling scouts) that the five marines were moving out, and forced jaedong to make a sunken, which costs money+1 less drone. The other option for jaedong for defense is more lings, which isn't very larvae efficient. Moreover, the five marines would also allow for iris to scout an all-in ling attack off of 2 hatches, and prepare a response for it to save his main, throw up bunkers, and otherwise react properly. Effectively, iris moved out in order to prevent jaedong from becoming too greedy, and to scout and add pressure. this concept will make a huge amount of sense to anyone who either watched day9 cast bw, and/or has seen some of his lessons from sc2. great job though ^^
It's my fault for not getting a shot of it, but Jaedong had already made a sunken to fend off the bunker rush earlier in the game, so the marines didn't really force Jaedong to do anything more as far as I could tell.
Thanks for the feedback everyone! I'm really glad you guys liked it. I do plan on doing more and maybe trying to analyze some games that are more exciting than this one was (though from a learning perspective I've heard that easy victories are the most instructive). I'll definitely take into account any games you guys recommend since I was basically just clicking at random on TLPD for this one.
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I freaking love it. More JD!! Especially against Flash.
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Really nice report! good job, more of these would be awesome!
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United States10328 Posts
wowow really nice job! keep it up!
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Canada2480 Posts
solid analysis but I find it hard to comment considering the strategy you analyzed, try doing something thatl eads to a more complex mid/late-game next time^^
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On March 23 2011 05:47 nbaker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 05:29 GHOSTCLAW wrote: Iris chills out outside Jaedong's natural but does not attack. Four marines are not really viable against a sunken and zerglings, so I'm not really sure why he moved out at all. Maybe he was looking to intercept any scouts?
this is for pressure jaedong probably knew (either from overlord or ling scouts) that the five marines were moving out, and forced jaedong to make a sunken, which costs money+1 less drone. The other option for jaedong for defense is more lings, which isn't very larvae efficient. Moreover, the five marines would also allow for iris to scout an all-in ling attack off of 2 hatches, and prepare a response for it to save his main, throw up bunkers, and otherwise react properly. Effectively, iris moved out in order to prevent jaedong from becoming too greedy, and to scout and add pressure. this concept will make a huge amount of sense to anyone who either watched day9 cast bw, and/or has seen some of his lessons from sc2. great job though ^^ It's my fault for not getting a shot of it, but Jaedong had already made a sunken to fend off the bunker rush earlier in the game, so the marines didn't really force Jaedong to do anything more as far as I could tell. Thanks for the feedback everyone! I'm really glad you guys liked it. I do plan on doing more and maybe trying to analyze some games that are more exciting than this one was (though from a learning perspective I've heard that easy victories are the most instructive). I'll definitely take into account any games you guys recommend since I was basically just clicking at random on TLPD for this one. Hahaha "4 marines is not really viable to kill a sunken and 4 lings" no, no it is not Intercepting scouts and just generally knowing he had map control at that instance was enough. If he were afraid of a ling-all-in he would have just left an SCV or something there (but he walled so who the hell would ling all-in? Even if it's not 'tight' it's still impossible to attack at that stage). Purpose of those marines is just to keep JD in his main so that he can't take a free expo When he moved them back it was because enough time had passed that he didn't want to just lose them for nothing. JD isn't gonna make lings just to hope there's marines for him to kill, but he is eventually going to get lings anyway.
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Really great idea, love the screenshots and stuff. As suggested by someone previously, looking at JD vs Flash on Tau Cross from WCG would be great, because, we have Vods and the replay of this game, making analysis much easier! Besides the fact that the game is epic and JD wins!
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On March 23 2011 07:48 swanized wrote: solid analysis but I find it hard to comment considering the strategy you analyzed, try doing something thatl eads to a more complex mid/late-game next time^^ yeah I agree. It was well done (a VOD with commentary would be kind of cool too), but I was hoping for a longer game with more decision making from the players.
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On March 22 2011 15:47 punkideas wrote: If you haven't already, check out the old (BW) Day[9] dailies. Those are all great pro VOD strategic analyses. I found only sc2 so pls link
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On March 23 2011 09:04 Grobyc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 07:48 swanized wrote: solid analysis but I find it hard to comment considering the strategy you analyzed, try doing something thatl eads to a more complex mid/late-game next time^^ yeah I agree. It was well done (a VOD with commentary would be kind of cool too), but I was hoping for a longer game with more decision making from the players.
Ok, I'll try one next game. I don't really feel competent to provide a comprehensive analysis of a long high level game but if you guys are willing to help out by correcting and adding to my analysis, I do agree it will be more useful. Thanks for the feedback!
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Of course. Sharing your thoughts with others helps you learn much faster than keeping to yourself.
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On March 23 2011 11:35 nbaker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 09:04 Grobyc wrote:On March 23 2011 07:48 swanized wrote: solid analysis but I find it hard to comment considering the strategy you analyzed, try doing something thatl eads to a more complex mid/late-game next time^^ yeah I agree. It was well done (a VOD with commentary would be kind of cool too), but I was hoping for a longer game with more decision making from the players. Ok, I'll try one next game. I don't really feel competent to provide a comprehensive analysis of a long high level game but if you guys are willing to help out by correcting and adding to my analysis, I do agree it will be more useful. Thanks for the feedback!
yeah please do! it can only help you out!
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Hope I'm not pissing on nbaker's parade here, but this looked so fun I decided to do one myself.
I really don't play Brood War, I just love to watch it. Doing this analysis makes the game so much more clear. If I had to guess how good my analysis is, I'd say I'd be a D or D+. I do play high plat Z in SC2.
Please correct me if I make mistakes!
+ Show Spoiler [Flash vs. RorO @ Fortress SE] +MAP:Fortress SE PLAYERS:Flash (T) @ 9 RorO (Z) @ 3 VOD:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2O18o.png) Z opens with 12 hatch 11 pool 10 gas. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/k4jJK.png) T opens with 1 depot 1 rax wall in. I'm not really sure if that's ling tight or not. Standard ZvT so far. But Flash is at a small disadvantage in these positions. Z is cross map and his marines spawn outside the wall - a minor annoyance for a standard 1 rax FE build. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aC2Aj.png) Flash scouts at 12 and then at 3 to find his opponent. He sees the lair timing. It's absolutely critical that Flash keeps this SCV alive until lair finishes so he can find what tech path Z is going to choose. This will also save on scans if he can keep the SCV alive and it means he won't have to sacrifice his vulture later on (also textbook ZvT). Keeping the SCV here will also force Z to build his tech choice at the natural thus limiting his options. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MbsyI.png) After scouting a 2 hatch lair, Flash doesn't feel comfortable building the CC directly at the natural (could be ling all in), so he constructs it inside the wall and gets his fact up simultaneously. He builds a vulture and sends it west only to meet a sunken. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/L3Lkl.png) Flash sees the lair complete and, not noticing any tech in the main, scouts around the sunken at the natural and sees the spire timing. He also sees that RorO created a third hatch in between his natural and main. His SCV dies shortly after returning to Z's main. Note that even if his SCV had died, Flash could have suicided his vulture to see the Spire. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/j0YKq.png) With no ling all ins on the way, Flash feels safe expanding to his natural and continuing with his normal anti 2 hatch muta. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qiLYx.png) After RorO has his spire done and mutalisks on the way, he creates a hydra den and begins lurker aspect. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5MAcd.png) RorO's muta harass is largely ineffective. Flash already has missile turrets everywhere and marines guarding where missile turrets aren't. All RorO can do is pick off stray SCVs. All those mutalisks only pick off about 4 SCVs. Flash is way ahead at this point having successfully blocked the harass. RorO never takes a third and instead creates more lurkers and lings. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kzzNk.png) Once Flash knows he's perfectly safe from the muta harass, he pushes out with his first marines. RorO's goal is to now pick off the entire marine assault. The best way to do this is to make sure that you only attack marines while they are perpendicular to the mutalisks. Unfortunately, RorO never gets this chance. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aFYWa.png) Instead, he sneaks behind the marines and burrows his lurkers in the middle of the map in an attempt to destroy reinforcements. Although he kills a few reinforcements, Flash retreats his forward marines and sandwiches the lurkers. Flash should feel thankful that he pulled his marines back. His two tanks were almost sniped by the mutalisks until his forward marines were able to save one tank from destruction. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r6w22.png) After his lurkers become largely useless, RorO then threatens backstabbing. However, Flash has so many marines that stimmed marines again sandwich the lurkers between their guns and the souther wall. RorO is crushed and is unable to backstab effectively. While his other lurker/ling forces are being destroyed, RorO sneaks out more lurker/lings and hides them in the north. Of course, the backstabbing here isn't attempting to do any damage. RorO is trying to buy time so he can get defilers out to stop the inevitable marine/siege force crushing his base. However, Flash is forcing RorO to make a difficult decision - Tech or Army? RorO can't do both, and this puts him in a difficult position. Hiding the lurker/ling in the north is a good option for RorO. Now he finally has a choice. Should he attempt to sandwich Flash outside of his natural OR should he actually perform the backstab? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lS6l3.png) He's going to have to make a decision soon. Flash is shelling the natural, and four sunkens will fall very quickly. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lCja0.png) In an act of desperation, RorO decides to all in his opponent with lurker/ling/muta. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/V1xKo.png) However, because Flash was able to save so many scans from the excellent scouting beforehand, he was able to scan and kill every lurker but 3. Even though these lurkers are a pest, Flash knows that RorO doesn't have a third considering the number of forces he created. All he has to do is push and win. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TLz9z.png) RorO is able to have more lurkers to defend his natural, but it's too little too late. Flash has already broken the front and there's little in his way to stop him. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5fVOq.png) Although RorO was able to kill lots of SCVs, it's inconsequential to the game. He already lost even before this act of desperation happened, and Flash is hardly concerned. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/i0Usp.png) Notice no defiler mound. Zerg taps out. Throughout the game there was no point in which there was any doubt Flash would succeed past the 4 minute mark. I'd call this game domination.
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On March 23 2011 16:07 Fiel wrote:Hope I'm not pissing on nbaker's parade here, but this looked so fun I decided to do one myself. I really don't play Brood War, I just love to watch it. Doing this analysis makes the game so much more clear. If I had to guess how good my analysis is, I'd say I'd be a D or D+. I do play high plat Z in SC2. Please correct me if I make mistakes! + Show Spoiler [Flash vs. RorO @ Fortress SE] +MAP:Fortress SE PLAYERS:Flash (T) @ 9 RorO (Z) @ 3 VOD:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpMpeiAC0l0![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2O18o.png) Z opens with 12 hatch 11 pool 10 gas. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/k4jJK.png) T opens with 1 depot 1 rax wall in. I'm not really sure if that's ling tight or not. Standard ZvT so far. But Flash is at a small disadvantage in these positions. Z is cross map and his marines spawn outside the wall - a minor annoyance for a standard 1 rax FE build. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aC2Aj.png) Flash scouts at 12 and then at 3 to find his opponent. He sees the lair timing. It's absolutely critical that Flash keeps this SCV alive until lair finishes so he can find what tech path Z is going to choose. This will also save on scans if he can keep the SCV alive and it means he won't have to sacrifice his vulture later on (also textbook ZvT). Keeping the SCV here will also force Z to build his tech choice at the natural thus limiting his options. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MbsyI.png) After scouting a 2 hatch lair, Flash doesn't feel comfortable building the CC directly at the natural (could be ling all in), so he constructs it inside the wall and gets his fact up simultaneously. He builds a vulture and sends it west only to meet a sunken. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/L3Lkl.png) Flash sees the lair complete and, not noticing any tech in the main, scouts around the sunken at the natural and sees the spire timing. He also sees that RorO created a third hatch in between his natural and main. His SCV dies shortly after returning to Z's main. Note that even if his SCV had died, Flash could have suicided his vulture to see the Spire. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/j0YKq.png) With no ling all ins on the way, Flash feels safe expanding to his natural and continuing with his normal anti 2 hatch muta. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qiLYx.png) After RorO has his spire done and mutalisks on the way, he creates a hydra den and begins lurker aspect. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5MAcd.png) RorO's muta harass is largely ineffective. Flash already has missile turrets everywhere and marines guarding where missile turrets aren't. All RorO can do is pick off stray SCVs. All those mutalisks only pick off about 4 SCVs. Flash is way ahead at this point having successfully blocked the harass. RorO never takes a third and instead creates more lurkers and lings. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kzzNk.png) Once Flash knows he's perfectly safe from the muta harass, he pushes out with his first marines. RorO's goal is to now pick off the entire marine assault. The best way to do this is to make sure that you only attack marines while they are perpendicular to the mutalisks. Unfortunately, RorO never gets this chance. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aFYWa.png) Instead, he sneaks behind the marines and burrows his lurkers in the middle of the map in an attempt to destroy reinforcements. Although he kills a few reinforcements, Flash retreats his forward marines and sandwiches the lurkers. Flash should feel thankful that he pulled his marines back. His two tanks were almost sniped by the mutalisks until his forward marines were able to save one tank from destruction. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r6w22.png) After his lurkers become largely useless, RorO then threatens backstabbing. However, Flash has so many marines that stimmed marines again sandwich the lurkers between their guns and the souther wall. RorO is crushed and is unable to backstab effectively. While his other lurker/ling forces are being destroyed, RorO sneaks out more lurker/lings and hides them in the north. Of course, the backstabbing here isn't attempting to do any damage. RorO is trying to buy time so he can get defilers out to stop the inevitable marine/siege force crushing his base. However, Flash is forcing RorO to make a difficult decision - Tech or Army? RorO can't do both, and this puts him in a difficult position. Hiding the lurker/ling in the north is a good option for RorO. Now he finally has a choice. Should he attempt to sandwich Flash outside of his natural OR should he actually perform the backstab? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lS6l3.png) He's going to have to make a decision soon. Flash is shelling the natural, and four sunkens will fall very quickly. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lCja0.png) In an act of desperation, RorO decides to all in his opponent with lurker/ling/muta. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/V1xKo.png) However, because Flash was able to save so many scans from the excellent scouting beforehand, he was able to scan and kill every lurker but 3. Even though these lurkers are a pest, Flash knows that RorO doesn't have a third considering the number of forces he created. All he has to do is push and win. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TLz9z.png) RorO is able to have more lurkers to defend his natural, but it's too little too late. Flash has already broken the front and there's little in his way to stop him. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5fVOq.png) Although RorO was able to kill lots of SCVs, it's inconsequential to the game. He already lost even before this act of desperation happened, and Flash is hardly concerned. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/i0Usp.png) Notice no defiler mound. Zerg taps out. Throughout the game there was no point in which there was any doubt Flash would succeed past the 4 minute mark. I'd call this game domination.
LOL. Nice work man! We need more, not less, of this!  BUT please next screen shot analysis like this, please limit to JD win games! this is a JD thread after all
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Very well written, nice work. Thank you very much for the effort
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On March 23 2011 17:09 gongryong wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 16:07 Fiel wrote:Hope I'm not pissing on nbaker's parade here, but this looked so fun I decided to do one myself. I really don't play Brood War, I just love to watch it. Doing this analysis makes the game so much more clear. If I had to guess how good my analysis is, I'd say I'd be a D or D+. I do play high plat Z in SC2. Please correct me if I make mistakes! + Show Spoiler [Flash vs. RorO @ Fortress SE] +MAP:Fortress SE PLAYERS:Flash (T) @ 9 RorO (Z) @ 3 VOD:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpMpeiAC0l0![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2O18o.png) Z opens with 12 hatch 11 pool 10 gas. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/k4jJK.png) T opens with 1 depot 1 rax wall in. I'm not really sure if that's ling tight or not. Standard ZvT so far. But Flash is at a small disadvantage in these positions. Z is cross map and his marines spawn outside the wall - a minor annoyance for a standard 1 rax FE build. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aC2Aj.png) Flash scouts at 12 and then at 3 to find his opponent. He sees the lair timing. It's absolutely critical that Flash keeps this SCV alive until lair finishes so he can find what tech path Z is going to choose. This will also save on scans if he can keep the SCV alive and it means he won't have to sacrifice his vulture later on (also textbook ZvT). Keeping the SCV here will also force Z to build his tech choice at the natural thus limiting his options. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MbsyI.png) After scouting a 2 hatch lair, Flash doesn't feel comfortable building the CC directly at the natural (could be ling all in), so he constructs it inside the wall and gets his fact up simultaneously. He builds a vulture and sends it west only to meet a sunken. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/L3Lkl.png) Flash sees the lair complete and, not noticing any tech in the main, scouts around the sunken at the natural and sees the spire timing. He also sees that RorO created a third hatch in between his natural and main. His SCV dies shortly after returning to Z's main. Note that even if his SCV had died, Flash could have suicided his vulture to see the Spire. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/j0YKq.png) With no ling all ins on the way, Flash feels safe expanding to his natural and continuing with his normal anti 2 hatch muta. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qiLYx.png) After RorO has his spire done and mutalisks on the way, he creates a hydra den and begins lurker aspect. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5MAcd.png) RorO's muta harass is largely ineffective. Flash already has missile turrets everywhere and marines guarding where missile turrets aren't. All RorO can do is pick off stray SCVs. All those mutalisks only pick off about 4 SCVs. Flash is way ahead at this point having successfully blocked the harass. RorO never takes a third and instead creates more lurkers and lings. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kzzNk.png) Once Flash knows he's perfectly safe from the muta harass, he pushes out with his first marines. RorO's goal is to now pick off the entire marine assault. The best way to do this is to make sure that you only attack marines while they are perpendicular to the mutalisks. Unfortunately, RorO never gets this chance. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aFYWa.png) Instead, he sneaks behind the marines and burrows his lurkers in the middle of the map in an attempt to destroy reinforcements. Although he kills a few reinforcements, Flash retreats his forward marines and sandwiches the lurkers. Flash should feel thankful that he pulled his marines back. His two tanks were almost sniped by the mutalisks until his forward marines were able to save one tank from destruction. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r6w22.png) After his lurkers become largely useless, RorO then threatens backstabbing. However, Flash has so many marines that stimmed marines again sandwich the lurkers between their guns and the souther wall. RorO is crushed and is unable to backstab effectively. While his other lurker/ling forces are being destroyed, RorO sneaks out more lurker/lings and hides them in the north. Of course, the backstabbing here isn't attempting to do any damage. RorO is trying to buy time so he can get defilers out to stop the inevitable marine/siege force crushing his base. However, Flash is forcing RorO to make a difficult decision - Tech or Army? RorO can't do both, and this puts him in a difficult position. Hiding the lurker/ling in the north is a good option for RorO. Now he finally has a choice. Should he attempt to sandwich Flash outside of his natural OR should he actually perform the backstab? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lS6l3.png) He's going to have to make a decision soon. Flash is shelling the natural, and four sunkens will fall very quickly. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lCja0.png) In an act of desperation, RorO decides to all in his opponent with lurker/ling/muta. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/V1xKo.png) However, because Flash was able to save so many scans from the excellent scouting beforehand, he was able to scan and kill every lurker but 3. Even though these lurkers are a pest, Flash knows that RorO doesn't have a third considering the number of forces he created. All he has to do is push and win. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TLz9z.png) RorO is able to have more lurkers to defend his natural, but it's too little too late. Flash has already broken the front and there's little in his way to stop him. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5fVOq.png) Although RorO was able to kill lots of SCVs, it's inconsequential to the game. He already lost even before this act of desperation happened, and Flash is hardly concerned. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/i0Usp.png) Notice no defiler mound. Zerg taps out. Throughout the game there was no point in which there was any doubt Flash would succeed past the 4 minute mark. I'd call this game domination. LOL. Nice work man! We need more, not less, of this!  BUT please next screen shot analysis like this, please limit to JD win games! this is a JD thread after all 
Thanks Fiel, this is great! I certainly don't mind you posting your analysis here, but why not start a new topic? It would let more people see it and comment on it.
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Really nice analysis; never clicked before to me the lack of scouting with a bunker rush using first scv, also I loved the detail on the positioning of the flank (army positioning for lurker-ling has always been a weak point of my play :3).
The only thing I'd say to be careful of is assumptions; what made you think he wasn't planning 2hatch lurk from beginning and that he was planning 3hat muta? (I haven't yet watched the vod btw)
But that's a small (maybe invalid) niggle; overall a really nice analysis with attention both to micro and macro.
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