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Right now I am trying to gather data to determine the following:
(1) What is the most popular way for Starcraft players to hold their mice?
(2) Is there a correlation between mouse grips and performance on a large scale?
In this thread, I only ask for two pieces of information:
(1) The mouse grip that you use. Please choose one of the following:
(A): The Palm Grip
"The most commonly used method to hold a computer mouse is what is known as the 'palm grip.' This method involves the user placing his entire hand onto the top of the mouse, resting his palm and the pit of his hand on the rear of the mouse’s shell. The mouse is held and controlled by the user pinching his hand together to hold the mouse between his thumb, the heel of his palm and his ring or pinkie fingers. The index and middle fingers are usually placed fully on the left and right mouse buttons respectively. A slight variation of the palm grip style is where the pinkie finger is used as the right side stabilizer to hold the mouse, with the index, middle and ring fingers placed on the left button, scroll wheel and right button respectively.
The palm grip is defined by the fact that the entire surface of the user’s fingers and palm make contact with the surface of the mouse and the contact points on the mouse are large and undefined."
(B): The Claw Grip
"The claw grip is another style of holding a computer mouse that requires a user to arch his hand and form a claw shape, pulling the mouse in so the rear end of the mouse is stabilized by barely touching the pit of the user’s hand.
The claw grip is defined by the fact that six contact points are made on the surface of the mouse."
(C): The Fingertip Grip
"The fingertip grip is considered to be a subset of the claw grip, where the user grips the mouse solely with the tips of his fingers. While this grip style strictly speaking falls within the ambit of the claw grip subset, it is a popular grip, particularly amongst proponents of certain genres of games, thus elevating it to the status of a primary grip style for gameplay. Unlike the claw grip, the hand is moved away from the rear of the mouse as the user is not concerned with stabilizing the rear of the mouse in his hand and wants increased precision and control of the mouse on the mousing surface instead.
The fingertip grip is defined by the fact that there are five contact points made on the surface of the mouse. Note that the sixth contact point found in the claw grip is no longer present (i.e. contact with the pit of the hand), which is a defining factor of the fingertip grip."
(2) Up until now, your best iCCup ranking. DON'T LIE. Please post both the letter value (D- to A+), and the number value. You can guesstimate for the number value if you wish.
I am going to compile the information so please follow the following format (or something somewhat resembling it) as it will make my job a lot easier.
Preferred Grip: "The Fingertip Grip"
Best iCCup Ranking: C-, 3400
Unfortunately the greatest challenge to the data is the fact that people living in the Korea timezone have a far harder fight for points than people living in the West. If you don't believe me, stay up late one night and play during prime time in Korea. I guarantee that if you earned your ranking in another timezone, you won't come out of a couple of hours of play ahead.
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fingertip
d+ (peak ~2500)
have not been playing seriously for very long
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On January 14 2010 18:06 yarkO wrote:
fingertip
d+
And the number value? I am going to use numbers to create a better average.
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Is there a hybrid? Like using the entire hand for wide movements and only the fingertips for small ones?
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Fingertip Grip
D - 1300ish?
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Fingergrip
b- (highest rank is 7100 but b- is real rank)
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fingertip a 11800
looks like everyone is playing with the fingertip style ^^
a long time ago i was playing with palm grip but now when im a competitive gamer my mouse speed is on max (900 dpi) so im forced to play with fingertips only
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Interesting thread, if people don't mind, another thing i would like to know about is the size of people mouse compared to their hand. Lets just take the length of the mouse and compare it with the distance form your wrist to the tip of your middle finger. My hand is like 2x the size of my mouse.
Fingertip
C- 3100 (highest)
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Fingertip Grip
D+ ~2500
Race: Protoss
APM: ~120
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Fingertip.
Zerg user, C-, 150 apm.
As far as I can see, there is no clear relation between rank and mouse grip.
Edit: Watching the MSL today, they showed Kwanro's mouse grip and it is a fingertip too. So you can count Kwanro on your research.
Kwanro: Fingertip, zerg user, progammer, above 300 apm.
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wow, i never really put much thought into my grip style.
Claw Grip
D+ ~2500
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Why is many fingertip? Isn't that a very odd way to play? Are people misunderstanding? Or are only people who use something else than palm grip responding?
Pretty sure 99% of normal people rest their palm on the mouse and pretty sure that for SC people will just switch more into claw grip during intense moments.
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MrMoose
Canada176 Posts
Fingertip Grip
D ~1800
Although my mouse is so small that using the palm grip would result in my fingers feeling up my desk...
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On January 14 2010 18:45 Glaucus wrote:
Why is many fingertip? Isn't that a very odd way to play? Are people misunderstanding? Or are only people who use something else than palm grip responding?
Pretty sure 99% of normal people rest their palm on the mouse and pretty sure that for SC people will just switch more into claw grip during intense moments.
it kind of depends on what kind of games people grew up on, I played alot of games at high sensitivity so for the first time sitting down palm gripping was uncomfortable and sluggish because my fingers would drag on the ground so eventually I developed the so called claw grip.
But in my opinion anyone who uses palm grip is totally lazy 
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EDIT: Haha just realized I use claw.
C
~4300
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edit: Claw grip
250-290apm
B- 6250~
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On January 14 2010 18:45 Glaucus wrote:
Why is many fingertip? Isn't that a very odd way to play? Are people misunderstanding? Or are only people who use something else than palm grip responding?
Pretty sure 99% of normal people rest their palm on the mouse and pretty sure that for SC people will just switch more into claw grip during intense moments.
It's commonly known that for SC you'd rather use a small mouse, and those naturally shift you to fingertip 
Fingertip, C- 3200, but many seasons ago, when I was still playing.
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Your fingers drag on the ground if you use palm grip? All normal mice are designed solely for palm grip. How do your fingers drag on the table? Palm grip doesn't mean you don't use the fingers. It means you rest some of the weight of your hand on the mouse. With claw grip you arc your fingers differently to move the mouse more with your fingers and as a result you don't put much weight on your mouse anymore.
You can't really see the difference between palm and claw grip since it's more about how you transfer force rather than how you position your hand. But finger grip should be very clear to see. So can someone find a video of a progamer that uses finger grip?
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On January 14 2010 18:45 Glaucus wrote:
Why is many fingertip? Isn't that a very odd way to play? Are people misunderstanding? Or are only people who use something else than palm grip responding?
Pretty sure 99% of normal people rest their palm on the mouse and pretty sure that for SC people will just switch more into claw grip during intense moments.
Also palm grip will lead to your wrist hurting after long sessions while fingergrip and claw won't (due to less weight being pressed from wrist-> mouse.)
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Palm Grip
C ~ 4200ish?
There are a LOT of fingertip replies. O_O
It feels really weird to me. I am using the Logitech Mini Optical like every Korean Pro.. and this mouse is SMALL.
So that might be why I am using Palm. With a bigger mouse, my hand might not be able to palm it lol. Claw is just weird.
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On January 14 2010 19:09 AttackZerg wrote:
Also palm grip will lead to your wrist hurting after long sessions while fingergrip and claw won't (due to less weight being pressed from wrist-> mouse.)
That doesn't make sense. The weight is still there. You either rest your hand or you use force to 'pull' it up using your lower arm.
How does your hand get tired exactly because you rest it?
And it looks to me that Kwanro's hand does touch the mouse.
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using palm will force u to move ur entire arm if u wanna move up or down. using fingers only will give u full mobility without ever having to move ur arm. when i move the mouse down it automaticly gets grip but in natural position its finger
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You can move up/down using claw grip without moving your arm.
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On January 14 2010 18:56 Glaucus wrote:
Your fingers drag on the ground if you use palm grip? All normal mice are designed solely for palm grip. How do your fingers drag on the table? Palm grip doesn't mean you don't use the fingers. It means you rest some of the weight of your hand on the mouse. With claw grip you arc your fingers differently to move the mouse more with your fingers and as a result you don't put much weight on your mouse anymore.
You can't really see the difference between palm and claw grip since it's more about how you transfer force rather than how you position your hand. But finger grip should be very clear to see. So can someone find a video of a progamer that uses finger grip?
Well my fingers might be dragging when i palm because my mouse is a Death Adder, but my hand is kind of big. I just find it uncomfortable if my fingers are touching my mouse pad at all. When i claw I dont have my palm even touching the mouse, and its not a fingertip because my fingers are still arched at the front.
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fingertip I believe. I think I used palm before, but once I switched to razer deathadder I felt like I had to change it to fingertip. ATM it's pretty much the same thing. I used palm grip to reach my highest rank, after that I didnt play iccup to higher ranks anymore. However, I feel like I'm better than then, so you might as well add my score to both palm and fingertip lolz
A- (around 9100)
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On January 14 2010 18:34 Alur wrote:
Interesting thread, if people don't mind, another thing i would like to know about is the size of people mouse compared to their hand. Lets just take the length of the mouse and compare it with the distance form your wrist to the tip of your middle finger. My hand is like 2x the size of my mouse.
Fingertip
C- 3100 (highest)
oO. Big hands. Know what that means...
My hand is just under 1.5x my mouse length...
Well that's embarassing.
Using the alienware version of the Intellimouse Explorer 3.0A
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palm
C+ (5900)
(couldve gotten higher in my "prime" but im not a real laddering guy and as my ratio tends to drop i stop playing :/)
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If you read that Razor page you will see like 5 of the palm grip responses mention they use deathadder specifically. None of the finger grip mention deathadder.
I guess you palm grip wrongly.
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On January 14 2010 19:15 Glaucus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2010 19:09 AttackZerg wrote:
Also palm grip will lead to your wrist hurting after long sessions while fingergrip and claw won't (due to less weight being pressed from wrist-> mouse.) That doesn't make sense. The weight is still there. You either rest your hand or you use force to 'pull' it up using your lower arm. How does your hand get tired exactly because you rest it? And it looks to me that Kwanro's hand does touch the mouse.
You have to move your army around if you use that grip rather then gently resting it on the table on your knob-wristbone and that preasure from that grip on your wrist causes pain ...
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Preferred Grip: "The Fingertip Grip"
Best iCCup Ranking: B-/B, ~7000
(afaik the fingertip thingy is simply one of the fastest and most accurate ways for people who play with high sensivity. For the others you have to move your hand which leads to slightly overall more accuracy but way less overall speed. I got my "style" from Q3 and later some CS, the guys who didn't use their fingertips were the ones with low sense, huge mousepads and like huge movements. Have seen less and less people play like that nowadays.)
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Fingertip grip,
D, ~1500
APM 75-80
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The Fingertip Grip, I am not to sure. Originally I thought palm but I think it is finger instead.
C+ ~5100
Race Zerg
APM: ~200
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I don't care if i palm wrongly anyway since I claw!, but my hands are big enough to crush a baby's SKULL! maybe that is why they touch the mouse pad.
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On January 14 2010 19:25 AttackZerg wrote:
You have to move your army around if you use that grip rather then gently resting it on the table on your knob-wristbone and that preasure from that grip on your wrist causes pain ...
You don't need to move your arm except a little if you move up or down or switch to claw grip.
If you suffer from pain I guess you have carpel tunnel or something.
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Fingertip
C- ~3200
T
APM ~150
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claw grip, early C- (3000-3100), apm is low though (120-130)
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Claw Grip
D+ 2500 (about 130 apm)
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palm-ish, not pressing hard on the mouse with the palm
B- last season
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Palm
c+/b-
T
apm~150
It seems for me that korean pros (what i v seen on vods) are more often "fingertip" style.
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Palm grip
almost B- but eventually C+ 3905 pts 
Zerg, apm 180
btw I dont think the diff kind of grips do much difference in starcraft or any other game, if ur good at a game ur good however u hold ur mouse.
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combination between claw and fingertip
C+ 5100
Z
I cant imagine using the palm of my hand to move the mouse around... I really have to have my little finger and ring finger on the right side of the mouse to push it left and thumb on the left side to push it right or it seems so inaccurate.
also; fingertip seems way easier for clicking at 300apm for muta micro than palm grip
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fingertip
C(4230)
protoss, 250 apm
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I switch between palm and fingertip pretty freely.
3800
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On January 14 2010 19:36 Glaucus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2010 19:25 AttackZerg wrote:
You have to move your army around if you use that grip rather then gently resting it on the table on your knob-wristbone and that preasure from that grip on your wrist causes pain ... You don't need to move your arm except a little if you move up or down or switch to claw grip. If you suffer from pain I guess you have carpel tunnel or something.
Of course I do.
I've been at 200 apm since jan03 ...... even with a few breaks that is seven years of crafting .. I changed my grip from a palm grip for accuracy and less pain a long time ago.
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I get the impression palm is only good when you have the sensitivity set to fps style slowness and you just need a better grip of the mouse so you can move it faster to that "one direction" (boom headshot)
I just cant imagine palm being good at very small motions in quick succession .
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Claw
C- ~3250
Zerg
~145apm
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just to mess with your data
palm
12100
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On January 14 2010 21:13 IdrA wrote:
just to mess with your data
palm
12100
Actually this helps. I was thinking about disregarding Morrow's because he's a semi-pro, but screw it. All we need is a 12000 or so claw user now.
Sorry Morrow . No hard feelings.
So far: 29 finger grip users; average of 3833, 19 palm users; average of 5258, and 14 claw users; average of 3353.
Finger users are at a disadvantage considering their numbers, and claw users should be doing a lot better. Given, if you add a 12000 player (both palm and finger groups have these) to the claw grip group, the average spikes to 3971.
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well mines actually like 3/4 palm 1/4 claw, the entirety of the right/bottom portion of my hand rests on the mouse and my thumb is flat, but my index finger and the top left portion of my palm arches up
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RosaParksStoleMySeat , what are you trying to do anyway?
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Preferred Grip: "The Fingertip Grip"
Best iCCup Ranking: D
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Holy shit. I never even thought about this before.
I just tried the "palm grip" and noticed how much more comfortable it is.
I've been holding my mouse the wrong way for years, haha.
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Fingertip, D, 1900
And this:On January 14 2010 21:47 Ronald_McD wrote:
Holy shit. I never even thought about this before.
I just tried the "palm grip" and noticed how much more comfortable it is.
I've been holding my mouse the wrong way for years, haha.
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On January 14 2010 21:47 Ronald_McD wrote:
Holy shit. I never even thought about this before.
I just tried the "palm grip" and noticed how much more comfortable it is.
I've been holding my mouse the wrong way for years, haha.
It's more comfortable but definately slower. I'd like to see someone have over 350 apm with a full palm grip without their arms and shoulders exploding.
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Fingertip
Max rank B with 7200~ but could probably hit B+ if i put alot more effort and mass gaming.
180-200 apm
I use both palm and fingertip but when i play sc only using fingertip feels more right and i can give more precise and faster actions.
Claw looks so wierd lol
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I use something in between palm/fingertip, it seems to be mostly palm though.
Also depends on the mouse I'm using, a small one I have to just use my fingers, large one I can put my whole palm on it.
Max ~6000 (earned in non-kor timezone of course )
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
Palm
D 1300
Race: Terran
APM: I generally get around 160-200
My hand basically sits perfectly over the mouse so the palm grip is the most comfortable.
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I think it mostly depends on the mouse how you keep it. I use fingertip (B- 67%) and I dont think this has anything to do with the skill level.
I use different grips with different mouses.
I'd like to see APM added to this data.
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I don't use a mouse at work, but from what I recall this should be correct:
The Palm Grip EDIT: Sorry I just checked I have the "claw" grip
C (4700)
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I actually don't know. I'd normally palm grip a mouse, but I can't fit my whole hand on a mini optical, so I dunno really, I end up doing a combination of claw and palm by the looks of things.
Clear this up for me?
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Palm (actually more like a combo of Palm\Claw, but its more like palm only I do arc my 2 pressing fingers sometimes.)
9400.
Edit : Pretty much the same thing Idra describes.
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Weird, I rest the side of my palm on the mousepad (that small bone) which helps to move it around, I don't know what that counts as. Day9 mentioned this kind of grip which is when I started using it.
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now i see why i suck so much!
Palm grip
D- 900
APM 0
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Fingertip
C+ ~5100
(also I don't think you'll be able to find a correlation. even if the grip mattered, it would be insignificant compared to all the other things that make your rank, such as dedication, experience, training partners...)
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fingertip
c- ~3100
btw, what grip does sea.really use?
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Claw
C+ no idea about number, this was like a year ago.. but it was just barely C+.
apm 250-300
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Fingertip Grip
highest rank: C-
Zerg user
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Mutated Palm Grip ^^ (I bend my index finger and the next one to it like in claw grip, but I hold the mouse like in Palm Grip .
Rank: Don't really know my rank, haven't ladder for quite a bit, ZvZ~D+, ZvP~C-, ZvT~C/C+
Race: Zerg
APM: 160-190
On January 15 2010 00:45 EsX_Raptor wrote:fingertip c- ~3100 btw, what grip does sea.really use?
Claw'ish Palm grip with fingertips.
On January 14 2010 21:47 Ronald_McD wrote:
Holy shit. I never even thought about this before.
I just tried the "palm grip" and noticed how much more comfortable it is.
I've been holding my mouse the wrong way for years, haha.
Btw I just tryed claw grip and I felt that I can play way way faster with it :@!
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Well i dont think mouse is really that important in sc.
You can see probably better results in shooting games where mouse is more important like cs, call of duty, unreal tournament etc.
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I actually think that you should ask the type of mouse of each users if you want this study to be accurate.
I mean i'm using a logitech optical and it is really different than most of razer mouses.
C-
Protoss
Palm ( when tired ) / Claw mix
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I found the pictures slightly confusing, but I'm fairly certain I have a Claw Grip.
Race: Terran
Rank: D+ ~ 2400
Grip: Claw
Mouse: Razer Diamondback
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this is stupid. there is nothing between the iccup rank and how you hold your mouse.
You hold your mouse based on:
-how you have got used to
-mouse shape
-wristpad
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Fingertip
C, 4100
Terran
APM: 200-220
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Variant of the Claw grip
B-, 6850
Terran
apm: 300-350
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Palmgrip
(peak) D+ ~ 2483
APM: ~ 160
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On January 15 2010 01:33 Piste wrote:
this is stupid. there is nothing between the iccup rank and how you hold your mouse.
You hold your mouse based on:
-how you have got used to
-mouse shape
-wristpad
Thats true, but by asking ICCup rank, people are participating in Razer's marketing survey with a smile on their face!
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Claw grip + Show Spoiler +not exactly like the one in the picture, the entire palm of my hand doesnt touch the mouse but the inside of my hand near my pinky does
C 4050~
Protoss
150~ apm
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The IdrA-Oystein grip
D 1000 Sadly, my internet doesn't allow me to play on iccup. i play on garena
~150 apm
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Claw grip (as jimminy_kriket describes)
B 7800~
Terran
280 APM
Also, IIRC I saw July's hand on his mouse with full palm grip while performing slick muta micro. Never understood how anyone could move accurately with a palm grip `__`
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I'm somewhere between the palm grip and the claw grip.
B 7100
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Fingertip
B+ =)
No idea of exact numbers, maybe 300-400 away from A-
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palm and claw seem horrible since you have to move your shoulder to move the mouse backward and foward.
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On January 15 2010 04:32 Sadist wrote:
palm and claw seem horrible since you have to move your shoulder to move the mouse backward and foward.
no you dont....
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Fingertip.
Made it to B- once, but never played a game in the B- ranks. So 6030 or something.
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Fingertip D+
2600~
logitech mini optical
zerg
~150 apm
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The fingertip and palm grip's bastard child (if thats not an option, then just do fingertip for me )
Rank: D
Race: Terran
APM: Depends on if I feel like spamming or not, but usually 100 - 110
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Fingertip
D+ 2100
Protoss
120apm
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Style: Fingertip Grip
Rank: D+ 2300
Race: Zerg
APM: 160-190
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Fingertip C- 3500~
My friend Palm B 7500+ (Solum)
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50-50 Palm Claw - B- 6300
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Torque says, the farther your fingers are to the end of the mouse, the easier (and faster) it is to cause a click. When my mouse started not working, I had to use the tips.
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I don't IcCup
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fingertip/claw HYBRID. You move the mouse with your fingers, wrist, or forearm - as necessary.
D+ 2700. 200apm.
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
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Claw
D+ 2100
Zerg
100 APM
friend:
fingertip
D 1500
Protoss
100 APM
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Fingertip
Protoss
D+/C- (IE 2995/3000)
150-180 apm.
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im not sure... i think its palm
nope. just feels like palm when it actually looks like a fingertip/claw grip o_O
D+ 2000ish
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Fingertip, low C-, 130 APM (baaaaaaaad)
I really can't even palm the mouse I currently have without my fingers going uncomfortably far past the buttons.
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Fingertip
C- (peak 3400)
Protoss
160-180 APM
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Style: claw
Best Rank: C- 3460
Race: zerg
APM: 240
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On January 14 2010 21:18 IdrA wrote:
well mines actually like 3/4 palm 1/4 claw, the entirety of the right/bottom portion of my hand rests on the mouse and my thumb is flat, but my index finger and the top left portion of my palm arches up
This sounds pretty much exactly like me
C high, but just barely C, I can't remember the points as it was over a year ago
~200 apm Zerg
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Fingertip Grip
C 4300
Race: Protoss
APM: 200
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United States42525 Posts
Probably palm grip although I arch the left hand side of my right palm up a bit.
A- 9305
Protoss
130apm
Edit: This
On January 14 2010 21:18 IdrA wrote:
well mines actually like 3/4 palm 1/4 claw, the entirety of the right/bottom portion of my hand rests on the mouse and my thumb is flat, but my index finger and the top left portion of my palm arches up
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I'm fairly new to starcraft, but let me contribute:
Palm
D (1900 tops)
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Fingertip Grip A- high
Fingertip FTW!!
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Claw/Fingertip Hybrid Ninja Grip
D 1500
Protoss
APM 110-130
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
I just realised. I'm more of a finger gripper.
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Style: Somewhere between Palm and Claw
Rank: D/D+ (I don't play enough 1v1 to reach my limit; 2582 points in 2v2 last season)
Race: Protoss
Speed: 55-70 APM
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Style: Palm
Best Rank: C
Race: Protoss
APM: 160
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Grip: Fingertip
Best Rank: D+ (don't know the number, sorry, it was a previous season, but probably around 2200)
Advice: Don't use average of ranks for a grip. Instead use the median of the ranks. That makes the result less sensitive to outliers. Also, it makes it so it doesn't matter as much to know exact numerical rank.
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Grip: Fingertip
Best Rank: B- (6100~)
Zerg
My hand is huge so a fingertip grip is basically all I can do anyway, especially considering I primarily use a Salmosa
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Grip: Mix of Palm and Finger (the back on my palm does not touch)
Best Rank: 2500~ D+
Protoss
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Fingertip
B (~7800)
Zerg
A Logitech mini optical isn't even large enough to touch my palm if I wanted it to.
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Preferred Grip: "The Fingertip Grip"
Best iCCup Ranking: C-, 3100
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Grip: Fingertip grip (though I have a 6th contact point sometimes with the pad beneath my pinkie, developed from playing COD4 competetively)
Best Rank: D+ (2000)
Protoss
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Fingertip
C- 3500 170apm
salmosa mini
would be nice to know what type of mice people are using, im wondering how many people use the wrong grip for their sized mouse.
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i think 90% of your grip type depends on the mouse you have..... i use claw but my mouse is huge, it would be fingertips if it was a smaller mouse ;d
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Fingertip!
D+ 2300
115 apm and growing.
About 250 with pure mouse spam in the beginning.
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On January 15 2010 10:28 duckhunt wrote:
i think 90% of your grip type depends on the mouse you have..... i use claw but my mouse is huge, it would be fingertips if it was a smaller mouse ;d
Not necessarily. I use a fingertip grip on a gigantic Logitech mouse. My hands are huge too so that may do something, but my grip would be much more comfortable as a palm grip.
To earlier posts:
Sea seems to be using a claw grip.
I do not work for Razer, this is not advertising, and not a market survey.
If you think this is stupid, the backspace button on your keyboard also works as a back button for your browser. You don't even have to take your right hand off the keyboard to get out of the thread. Make use of this valuable information.
I understand the flaws in this study. I'm not trying to write a dissertation or anything like that, but get a certain level of information on Starcraft players and how they prefer to use their mice. I even admitted one big flaw of the study from the get-go, and I am well aware of the others.
A little later I'll compile the new data to see what's going on. It only takes like two minutes in Excel so this job is pretty easy regardless of the huge number of responses. Thanks for the time all.
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Finger tip (280 apm)
3000 (C-)
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palm C 4500
actually i have a problem mid-lategame, i cant control the mouse well enough. my wrist somewhat gets twisted out or someting. but i dont notice it usually cause my brain is being busy with the game. i dont know if its because of the grip or not. i tried to change it but i couldnt and it wasnt comfortable other way.
when will you write down the results? im really interested, though i think its not representative.
can i ask you please to write me a pm when you write down the results? i will forget it other way. thanks.
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Fingertip
Frustratingly d+ 2500
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D- (900)
I use a mix between the palm and fingertip as odd as it sounds. The right half of my hand tends to rest on the mouse while the left half is elevated and at a fingertip position.
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Fingertip
I've hit B+ 8000 (but lost it immediately)
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Combination of palm and claw like idra and a few others. Top left of my hand arches up (meaning basically the two fingers doing the clicking).
~9350
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Fingertip
C- -> 3500 (in Korean hours)
Race -> Zerg
APM -> 107
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I feel bad that everyone is Fingertip and I'm Palm.
Don't know exact points, but I should be able to get at least D+ max if I grind.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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Claw ~ B-
(a while back, now C ish)
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Claw
D+
(~2400) Korean Hours
APM ~ OVER 9000! jk. APM = ~170 -> ~210
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Palm
C-
3200
Korean Hours ^_^
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im a clan and palm grip i guess fingertip too at times depends on my hand.
rank anywhere in between D and C
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fingertip grip
cheesed my way to 1900 D
Race: Toss
APM: ~90-100
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Edit: I think I actually use fingertip grip
B- (~6200)
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Claw grip
D+ ~1900
APM ~ 90-120
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On March 09 2010 14:15 TheMunkey wrote:
Claw grip
D+ ~1900
APM ~ 90-120
1900 is D.. I guess you meant 2900.
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On March 09 2010 14:17 NeVeR wrote:1900 is D.. I guess you meant 2900.
He probably meant D+ highest rank, hovers around 1900 pts
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United States10774 Posts
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I'm like right between fingertip and claw, I'd have to say maybe a little more claw.
D - 1914
Thats true, but by asking ICCup rank, people are participating in Razer's marketing survey with a smile on their face!
Awesome comment!
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On March 09 2010 15:37 L_Master wrote:I'm like right between fingertip and claw, I'd have to say maybe a little more claw. D - 1914 Show nested quote +Thats true, but by asking ICCup rank, people are participating in Razer's marketing survey with a smile on their face! Awesome comment!
same problem with me, it looks like i have the fingertip grip but the back of the mouse sometimes touches my hand
i'll go with fingertip
d+ 2400
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Trying to find out who bumped this again....
Might aswell join in while I complain
Fingertip, C-, ~3200
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Idk bout this, i dont think that the way you hold your mouse will have anything to do with how good you are. Its more about how comfortable it is for you.
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I was A- long time ago, suddenly lost, and I use a pure palm grip, so that sometimes I feel the need to expand my palm to grab the mouse better.
Anyway this statistic is flawed because it doesn't take into account the size of the mouse being used, and even if it would it might be that someone developed his own grip with a previous mouse and now he's not changing it (which i think it's my case, i always felt like the palm grip i developed playing with a mx518 was wrong for a logitech g3, too small)
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Preferred Grip: "The Fingertip Grip"
Best iCCup Ranking: C, 4200
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Fingertip
C 4030~
APM 240
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Fingertip
(I dunno, I never could play iccup but I'm rank 15 platinum on sc2 beta right now) So probably around C at least.
Race: Zerg
APM: 185~
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Claw Grip
C- ~ 3200
Race Ptoross
APM ~ 180 (mostly mousework >.<)
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fingertip
z 11000ish
t 9190 exact
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Palm grip
D: 1000
(I'm actually a D-/E!)
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fingertips C+ ~ 5200 ? like one or two games won on c+ rank max
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On March 10 2010 07:11 starcraft911 wrote:
fingertip
z 11000ish
t 9190 exact
you're an A Z?
O_O
damn son. respect
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Preferred Grip: "The Palm Grip"
Best iCCup Ranking: C, 4271
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Palm Grip
6100pts Protoss
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I use a combination of all 3
rank: idk probably D+ currently like 1900 points
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Fingertip Grip
C- 3500 or so
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Preferred grip: Fingertip
Best rank: D+
Race: Zerg
APM: ~135
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D+ 2100
fingertips son
T
150apmz
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Preferred Grip: "The Fingertip Grip"
Best iCCup Ranking: C+, 5100 ish
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Halfway between palm and fingertip grip. Sometimes part of my palm rests of the mouse but I never cup the whole thing in my hand.
High rank D+
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
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Fingertip Grip
Protoss D on ICCup (never really put much energy into improving, though)
Also, I think there there are a lot of related questions you ought to ask when dealing with this topic.
On the one side, how you handle your mouse extends to a variety of variables:
- Sensivity? (something comparable)
-> Move fingers, wrist or arm for mousemovement?
- Relative mouse size
- Mouse acceleration? (lulz)
- (etc)
On the other hand, I think you should ask how people feel about their own handling:
- Do they feel in control most of the time?
- Have they tried improving hard and couldn't really make it?
- (etc)
I think with a compilation like this, you could possibly find a lot of interesting correlations. Your approach, however, will probably yield not all that exciting news (especially considering the whole majority of fingertippers).
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On March 10 2010 11:50 b3h47pte wrote:
Claw
C- 3050ish
Lol Mike, change that to D now please.
On January 15 2010 09:35 Semih wrote:
claw
a-
protoss
Sweet Kyle, when did you hit A-?
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Claw
C- vs kors. C vs foreigners
APM 140~180
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Fingertip... i think
D+ as protoss and zerg (2200 as P, 2600 as Z)
APM is roughly 130-140 on a good day
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Claw grip
D+
~2500
APM 160-200
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Claw
C
~4200
All these Claws reminded me of:
I loved that game!
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type: Fingertip
rank: D
pts: 1200 (i don't go on often T.T)
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finger tip grip
D+ 2100 Zerg
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Are these statistics already compiled somewhere?
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Preferred Grip: "The Claw Grip"
Best iCCup Ranking: D+, 2200 or so
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On March 12 2010 10:45 EsX_Raptor wrote:
Are these statistics already compiled somewhere?
This is about 2 months old now. I dunno why people keep replying to it.....
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Claw
D ~ 1600
Race: Protoss
Apm: ~140
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lololol reminds me of how EffOrt holds a mouse
Palm, C- 200ish apm
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Claw I think. I have a very unique way holding my mouse. I rely on my wrist alooot but ye
7500 B rank
Zerg
400 apm
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Fingertip Grip
B+ ~ 8700
Race: Terran
APM: ~290
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Russian Federation8 Posts
Preferred Grip: "The Fingertip Grip"
Best iCCup Ranking: C-, 3032
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Everyone,
I will compile the data in the next few days. Please feel free to share more if you wish.
I did compile up to page 10 or so previously, so it shouldn't take that long. The reason why I haven't posted everything is because this program I'm in right now is just unbelievably crazy.
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Do we have a final compiled version of this? I just got a new razer deathadder, and am thinking of switching my grip around... wondering what I should switch it to, if anything.
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On June 11 2010 15:52 Nivra wrote:
Do we have a final compiled version of this? I just got a new razer deathadder, and am thinking of switching my grip around... wondering what I should switch it to, if anything.
The one that feels the most comfortable for you...
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lol yeah use whichever is most comfortable, dont try to switch to a "better" grip or use a mouse that doesnt suit your grip. I use fingertip grip and tried using a razor copperhead for a couple months, it felt really bad and my play suffered as a result. using salmosa now, its awesome for my grip style.
Fingertip
A-
~9000
200apm
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Fingertip
C+ 5600
EDIT:Sorry i doesn't see it was a dead thread walking -.-
![[image loading]](http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l14/el_boxer/mccoyDeadThread.jpg)
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Palm Grip
No single victory in iCCup
Race: Protoss
APM: 80-100
I don't think i have been too helpful to this survey-like topic.
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Fingertip Grip
Highest C-(~3000), but D+ 2500 average
200 apm as Protoss (main), 250 as Zerg
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Claw grip
A-
9400
apm 250-270 ~ish
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I use the bone directly below my pinky + all 5 fingers to move the mouse. My mouse is at all times rotated 45 degrees counterclockwise from my arm. My wrist never moves. Idk if this is claw or fingertip; I'd say claw because my fingers are pretty arched.
C, 4200 or so.
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Fingertip
D ~1300
Race Protoss
APM 110~130 (it really varries a lot)
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D+ zerg (2200ish)
fingertip
apm 130-180 (if I use mutas, peaks higher)
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Claw Grip
B- 80-69
Race: Protoss
APM: 200-240
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Palm
D+ ~2800
APM: 80-90
Just realized I got incredibly low APM.......
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Fingertip
Rank: D+ 2300 points.. sort of.. yeah..
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Fingertip Grip
C- ~ 3000
Race: Terran
APM: ~180
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Mid D, fingertip is the closest i think, tho i only use my fingers for up and down and my wrist for left and right.
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Can you use the scroll wheel in sc? what for?
Fingertip grip. D level. 160 apm.
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didn't want to bump the other threads because of this question but:
about the grips, esp fingertip - does your arm(forearm, elbow, wrist) touch the table at all or is the arm hanging in the air with the only support being fingers touching the mouse
sorry if this is unclear, will provide pics if you don't understand
no iccup rank here =/
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i use chairs w/ armrests so there are two points of contact for my arm - one around my elbow on the arm rest, and another on my wrist bone on the mousepad, then only my fingertips for the mouse itself.
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fingertip (because of my high DPI mouse)
C
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Palm
D ~1900
Race: Terran
Apm: ~160-220
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Palm
D- ~900
Race: Zerg
APM: ~135
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Fingertip
D ~1800
Terran
130
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Claw Grip!
Cs when i played a while back. The damn sc2 beta made me lazy with unlimited units and multiple buildings to 1 hot key available, so i'm much worse now =/.
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wtf, how does this thread not have a poll?
Poll: GRIP / RANKFingertip A (4) 29% Claw B (2) 14% Fingertip D (2) 14% Fingertip C (2) 14% Palm D (1) 7% Palm C (1) 7% Palm B (1) 7% Fingertip B (1) 7% Palm A (0) 0% Claw D (0) 0% Claw C (0) 0% Claw A (0) 0% 14 total votes Your vote: GRIP / RANK (Vote): Palm D
(Vote): Palm C
(Vote): Palm B
(Vote): Palm A
(Vote): Claw D
(Vote): Claw C
(Vote): Claw B
(Vote): Claw A
(Vote): Fingertip D
(Vote): Fingertip C
(Vote): Fingertip B
(Vote): Fingertip A
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palm, D/D-, about 80-120 apm.
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Palm C- 3300.
(2100 in SC2)
~160apm
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EPT![[image loading]](http://www2.razerzone.com/MouseGuide/html/images/palmgrip-illus01.jpg)
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