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Dark Archons in PvP

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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-10 18:10:32
November 10 2009 18:06 GMT
#1
[image loading] The Dark Archon [image loading]


      Lately, we've seen a blossoming of the dark archon in both the pvz and pvp matchups. I'm sure this isn't completely novel, but its certainly the first I've witnessed of it on a regular scale at the professional level at least. Recently, in the Proleague Movie used a Dark Archon to feedback-snipe templar against M18M who ironically used it just before him in a match vs Perfectman of Oz to do the same thing. Both times I've seen it used, its been extremely potent, and its a wonder why more players aren't doing it. Yes there's a cost associated with it, both for apm and resources, but if it can quickly stop 3 templars from storming your army, it could save you tons of headaches during a battle. That said, there's not alot of players that have apm to spare that they can easily afford to do this, and it usually comes at a cost of microing other units or macroing and its reminiscent of Jaedong's comments about the inclusion of a queen into the zerg mix.

The vod of M18M vs Perfectman is below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5xAb6HErvE


The sweet spot is around 13:50

Now, if you watch the battle, he forgoes all ht for more units and a dark archon, but uses it almost exactly the same, forgetting about it in the middle of the battle and forcussing on microing other units, but just like a ht it wanders unharmed through the sea of enemy troops, until either side starts to retreat. I'm not going to crunch numbers on resource cost for including a DA, but obviously if you play a similar style and forgo high templar, the apm required to micro DA is much less noticeable.

Altogether, it wasn't a game-changer, and with or without the dark archon, M18M probably would have won, but it sure makes for some exciting games and brings about a new dimension to PvP.

PS: Yes I know there are some old threads about this already, but they were written back in 2005/2003, and I think that, considering its appearance in 2 pro-level games, it requires further attention.
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-10 18:14:35
November 10 2009 18:13 GMT
#2
watch a bunch of shauni's pvp's

he's GREAT with sniping temps with DA's
so late game i say they're good.
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Pitcairn19291 Posts
November 10 2009 18:26 GMT
#3
Oh M18M, the irony. Uses DAs to only get his own temps sniped by DAs in his next match.

But the 3-4 temps that Movie killed with that DA made a huge difference, cause I really do think that M18M woulda held that first attack with his templar mass.
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sashkata
Profile Joined September 2008
Bulgaria3241 Posts
November 10 2009 18:32 GMT
#4
Not really anything new. It's just that most pvps are decided before that stage. If the game goes a bit longer than usual chances are you're going to see DAs.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
November 10 2009 18:56 GMT
#5
On November 11 2009 03:32 sashkata wrote:
Not really anything new. It's just that most pvps are decided before that stage. If the game goes a bit longer than usual chances are you're going to see DAs.

+1
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
November 10 2009 19:59 GMT
#6
On November 11 2009 03:56 Piste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2009 03:32 sashkata wrote:
Not really anything new. It's just that most pvps are decided before that stage. If the game goes a bit longer than usual chances are you're going to see DAs.

+1

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coltrane
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Chile988 Posts
November 10 2009 21:00 GMT
#7
I remember seen DA to snipe the very first HT, maybe in some playoff, maybe in some semifinal.

I do believe it was katrina, gomtv, bisu owned, 2008... gonna start searching for it.
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Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
November 11 2009 04:10 GMT
#8
I think it's even more integrable to PvP than PvZ as feedback cost you nothing in terms of research and only 50 mana.
I would like to see it more PvZ to snipe defilers as well, it has SICK range of 11
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