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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
This guide is for every person who's had a friend who wanted to learn but has no idea where to even begin to teach them. Yes, this guide is extremely long, but only because there's a LOT to know about BW for someone to be considered to even know the basics. Unfortunately, there's even more that this guide doesn't cover, but this should at least serve as a decent starting point. Feedback is extremely welcome... the guide will be updated to fix errors, etc. Happy Crafting LINK TO GUIDE | ||
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
must be legit ^^ edit: good guide dude! | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
I'll look over it later for feedback, but the first thing that caught my eye was: Never stop building peons (SCVs, Drones, Probes), and order them to mine minerals and gas as soon as possible. There are times when it is optimal to stop building workers, but newbies will almost certainly forget at some point and rarely have enough workers. Seriously, this is so easy and yet so many new players fail at it. The thing about Zerg is that you can't tell players to "just keep droning." It doesn't work, even at the super-noobie level. Unfortunately, knowing when to drone requires tons of experience, and droning well requires even more. Personally, I would advise beginning players to drone up to X number of drones/hatcheries, then just build units, then they can drone/hatch more when they feel they've got a decent lead. | ||
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On September 28 2009 16:12 Saracen wrote: Oh damn, that's really intense. I'll look over it later for feedback, but the first thing that caught my eye was: The thing about Zerg is that you can't tell players to "just keep droning." It doesn't work, even at the super-noobie level. Unfortunately, knowing when to drone requires tons of experience, and droning well requires even more. Personally, I would advise beginning players to drone up to X number of drones/hatcheries, then just build units, then they can drone/hatch more when they feel they've got a decent lead. ya i agree with dan...er, saracen | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
I suppose this is a good guide for people who don't know anything at all, like the average bnet pubbie newb. Most people on teamliquid should have little use for it though, except for linking their newb friends to it. | ||
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CookieswithMilk
23 Posts
On September 28 2009 16:12 Saracen wrote: Oh damn, that's really intense. I'll look over it later for feedback, but the first thing that caught my eye was: The thing about Zerg is that you can't tell players to "just keep droning." It doesn't work, even at the super-noobie level. Unfortunately, knowing when to drone requires tons of experience, and droning well requires even more. Personally, I would advise beginning players to drone up to X number of drones/hatcheries, then just build units, then they can drone/hatch more when they feel they've got a decent lead. My eye glimpse across this paragraph until I refresh this page. Saracen is right, u cannot build too many drones per base but alot of players especially D/D+ iccup players oversaturate or undersaturate (going low eco) with drones. You should always have a 1.5x drone count per base. Depending how much drones u need per base, the usual number of drones for a 6 mineral patch base is 9 - 12. | ||
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
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yh93kim
Korea (South)62 Posts
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zcxvbn
United States257 Posts
On September 28 2009 16:23 Fontong wrote: I suppose this is a good guide for people who don't know anything at all, like the average bnet pubbie newb. Most people on teamliquid should have little use for it though, except for linking their newb friends to it. I think this comment is unnecessarily elitist - sure TL boasts a large number of gosu foreign players, and many users are at a respectable C- or higher, but I know a couple of friends who have become interested in playing competitive SC recently and frequent TL as a primary source of advice, and I'm sure there are many more out there in a similar situation. This type of guide is more useful for them IMO than Liquipedia, which, albeit well-written and comprehensive, already assumes basic understanding of SC mechanics (e.g. my friends can look up and attempt to execute build orders, but they usually won't understand why the timings are what they are). Honestly, though, if you were starting playing SC seriously, where else would you get their information? The only other accessible source I can think of is sc2gg.com, where little guidance is offered beyond the commentaries, of which the quality is often questionable. My only qualms with this guide is that it is rather short and vague at times. For example, as Saracen said, it would be good to specify how many drones and hatcheries should be made at given points in time, since zerg users usually struggle with worker timings at the lower level. Evidently, SC is based upon flexibility and adjusting to what your opponent does, but I have seen that it is more helpful to impose hard guidelines first and then vary them when noobs understand more of the mechanics. If you want more places to elaborate I can try to point out what I find most useful (I'm D/D+ btw, got into SC about a year ago). Tl;dr good guide, definitely useful for noobs, expand more. | ||
Empyrean
17010 Posts
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CJM
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
On September 29 2009 01:58 Empyrean wrote: I can't believe you used LaTeX to format it. ... <_< I think I know what Emp's talking about, and if it's true, I guess...well, it's Princeton. There are smart kids there. | ||
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KasPra
Estonia983 Posts
Terran early game: 1 Marines, 2 scouting SCV, 3 Barracks, 5 Command Center, 0 Comsat. Terran late game: 1-6 main army, 7 Dropship, 9-0 Comsats, F2 Barracks/Factories, F3 rally point, F4 contested location on map. Zerg early game: 1 Zerglings, 2 Spawning Pool, 3-4 Overlords, 5-7 Hatcheries. Zerg late game: 1-6 main army, 7-0 Hatcheries, F2 unhotkeyed Hatchery cluster, F3 rally point, F4 contested location on map. Protoss early game: 1 Zealots, 2 scouting Probe, 3 Gateways, 0 Nexus. Protoss late game: 1-6 main army, 7 Shuttle, 8-0 Nexus, Robotics Facility, or other tech structures. F2 Gateways, F3 rally point, F4 contested location on map. As i recall, there have been so many arguments over f2f3f4 keys. In each and every one of them, the fact that you should use them with your bases has been proven right. People shouldnt use them for macroing and i think you should change that, if people start using them for bases instead they wont have any hard time relearning them  | ||
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
On September 29 2009 01:58 Empyrean wrote: I can't believe you used LaTeX to format it. ... <_< what? I can't use html codes in forum posts =( | ||
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Seiche
United States23 Posts
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Empyrean
17010 Posts
On September 29 2009 03:56 azndsh wrote: what? I can't use html codes in forum posts =( I mean the .pdf you linked to (the guide) looks like it was formatted in LaTeX. Am I correct? | ||
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SOB_Maj_Brian
United States522 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On September 29 2009 03:41 KasPra wrote: As i recall, there have been so many arguments over f2f3f4 keys. In each and every one of them, the fact that you should use them with your bases has been proven right. People shouldnt use them for macroing and i think you should change that, if people start using them for bases instead they wont have any hard time relearning them Using the Fkeys for macroing is a ton easier for people just starting out. I used them to macro when i was starting out, then switched later on, it took like 3 games to get used to the switch. No big deal. | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
On September 29 2009 05:00 Empyrean wrote: I mean the .pdf you linked to (the guide) looks like it was formatted in LaTeX. Am I correct? yes, sorry my question is what else would I format it in? MS Word? I suppose that was a possibility | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On September 29 2009 07:05 jalstar wrote: Good noob guide. Should be stickied or at least linked to in a sticky. This. Put into recommended threads maybe? | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
Good stuff, should use it for sc decal here hahaha | ||
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Espers
United Kingdom606 Posts
A few things I'd like to mention though: - You mention having 7-0 as hatch hotkeys late game, I don't want to get into a Zerg control discussion but basically no one uses this. 5-0 all the way through the game is the most common. - For macro I think many players see how many Barracks/Hatches the progamer uses and just use that as their number, mention how you're not anyway near progamer level and there's nothing wrong with using way more production buildings, as long as you're aiming towards the goal of what the progamers use. | ||
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Biochemist
United States1008 Posts
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Zvi
Israel29 Posts
If it's not in there, then maybe it should be ^^ | ||
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tepz
Netherlands12 Posts
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d3_crescentia
United States4054 Posts
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endGame
United States394 Posts
On September 28 2009 16:04 azndsh wrote: This guide is for every person who's had a friend who wanted to learn but has no idea where to even begin to teach them. Yes, this guide is extremely long, LINK TO GUIDE This guide isn't extremely long. I think its the perfect size to describe everything a new player needs to know about the fundamentals of Starcraft without going too deep into any individual topic. Great guide for newbies. | ||
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FortuneSyn
1826 Posts
On September 29 2009 03:41 KasPra wrote: As i recall, there have been so many arguments over f2f3f4 keys. In each and every one of them, the fact that you should use them with your bases has been proven right. People shouldnt use them for macroing and i think you should change that, if people start using them for bases instead they wont have any hard time relearning them These arguments pertained more specifically to Terran and a bit less to Protoss due to the impact of scarab shots on workers. For zerg using F2F3F4 for hatches and rally is fine. | ||
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On January 22 2010 22:09 tepz wrote: this guide is really good, im just starting to play this game, and there isnt much help/information on teamliquid.net for new people haha ... you're joking right? l-i-q-u-i-p-e-d-i-a | ||
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duckett
United States589 Posts
man im having trouble with hotkeys...got used to building scvs all game till i have way too many, but now i cant get regular with my production rounds. i always end up not building marines or vults at a critical pt when i start microing =/. | ||
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