EPTBut a good player has high apm"
[H] Skill gap from D+ to C- - Page 5
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CLeVeRaSeVeR
2 Posts
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Re-Play-
Dominican Republic825 Posts
On September 24 2009 05:25 Strayline wrote: Personally I've found the skill-gap from D+ to C- to be pretty harsh. I'm not sure what the guy a few pots above me was talking about (edit ok now a lot of posts above me): you lose 50 points for a D+/D+ loss and 75 for a C-/C- loss (going MOTW stats here.) You win 130 in each case (I think--I've never actually won a C-/C-). Therefore, you must win 27.7(repeating of course)% of your games to maintain D+ and ~36.6% of your games to maintain C-. I also think one of the biggest issues around playing at the D/D+ level is the fact that a really large portion of the people you play against are smurfs so the whole "just build more units" strategy doesn't feel particularly satisfying even if it might technically "work." I mean, I go home after work tonight and play a bunch of ZvT on Destination and just blindly 3 hatch no scout and assume MM as I work towards mutas I'm going to lose at least a third of the games to someone of higher rank practicing his vulture runbys. I may do slightly better against the "true D+" Terrans as I will be better at macro since I'm just not going to worry about scouting/responding to nonstandard play but it feels really bad to put up no fight at all against the wraith/vulture/proxy/sair dt/etc. Also smurf protoss will storm the crap out of your massive army with bad unit composition so you stop just doing stuff like massing hydra because it's no fun to get completely owned. This mental state probably ends up costing me some games since there are no doubt games I could win with mass units that I lose because I have been trained that doing that doesn't work (by all the smurfs--and it's not like I'm taking games off them anyway) but I'm not sure if I would be playing "better" for it. you are totally right | ||
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Aurious
Canada1772 Posts
On September 24 2009 06:47 JMave wrote: You guys have any tips on securing expos on destination or any map in general for PvZ? I'm having a great time trying to get those expos.. which are the things that always cost me the game. Do it while pressuring the Zerg. make pylon->nexus->cannonsor send your army to defend the new expansion til you can get the cannons up if pressuring isn't ideal | ||
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Aurious
Canada1772 Posts
On September 24 2009 12:51 CLeVeRaSeVeR wrote: "High apm doesn't mean you're a good player But a good player has high apm" So what do you consider a good player? I'm by no way a great player but I'm good enough to know what I can achieve. I play under 150apm normally and thats considered low | ||
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
Even if you may lose, don't get frustrated, remember that you make better maps, make more blog posts on TL, and can cook better than your opponents do!  | ||
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Stimpacked
Philippines368 Posts
To get to D+ to C-, concentrate on every game and try to do it with perfection, sometimes the will to win and perseverance helps you on a lot of games, dont be lazy, do little things like sending scvs to look for 3rd, microing a single vulture, doing little drops, even though it has no damage it can also cause the opponent some APM on they're part thus giving the possibility of them forgetting other things too. It also helps to have 2 iccup accounts, if you feel like playing your best and want to show your A-game and you feel that your mentally and physically prepared at that point then play on your main account. If you need to practice and need to have some warm up games first, play on your practice account. Another advice is that, after i lose 2 games in a row on my main account and i feel like sucking, i stop playing or continue playing on my practice account. Don't play for the sake of playing, prepare for every game, you need to step up if you really want to get to go to the next level. At least thats the mindset i've used getting from c- to c in which i've been struggling for a long time. And now im currently standing at mid C level, trying to apply this little mental strategy of mine. Hope this helps.. goodluck! | ||
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
this is embarrassing but i havent been able to pass 1300 points -_-"" 1st season on iccup here | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
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JMave
Singapore1806 Posts
On September 24 2009 15:46 Not_Computer wrote: Just keep at it, I'm sure you can reach C-, it's just a matter of time and patience. APM helps a ton, but as everyone else in this thread said, at D+ rank macro is often what makes the win. Even if you may lose, don't get frustrated, remember that you make better maps, make more blog posts on TL, and can cook better than your opponents do! Lol. You still remembered those haha. Anyway, I find that my gameplay has increased tremendously just purely macroing. I find that with my apm, I'm now able to play more smoothly as I have things to do with the extra apm that I used to do with spam. Thanks for help guys | ||
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
APM doens't do anything. Just because you have 250 apm, doesn't mean you're "sufficient" enough for a C rank. n00b. practice build orders instead of practicing how to spam APM. wow even your views are messed up. you truly are a n00b. you deserve to stay at d. | ||
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
goodness, the macro problem is so bad that even when i make a defensive push i get totally owned by toss, and the most i store is about 400-500 mins which is enough for a production round... ok i take that back, i just found out that i took on a protoss with 150 eapm, so clearly that was a smurf or a much better player starting a new season... | ||
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
On September 24 2009 06:03 LonGGone wrote:Idk, ive notice other players with high apm stuck at D+/C- level and its usually the lack of build orders and strategy. They tend to beleive the faster they are the quicker their macro will be. From midgame to lategame thats true but early game to midgame, its all build order. You need to get ur buildorders down and let ur macro and apm build up naturally, dont force it. Yeah, I totally agree with that, I dont iCCup, but build orders are what mess me up. | ||
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
On September 24 2009 23:26 Nal_rAwr wrote: "My APM average is around 250, which I feel is sufficient to carry me through to at least a C rank(I doubt that I spam in my games)." APM doens't do anything. Just because you have 250 apm, doesn't mean you're "sufficient" enough for a C rank. n00b. practice build orders instead of practicing how to spam APM. wow even your views are messed up. you truly are a n00b. you deserve to stay at d. Whoa, die. | ||
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DrTJEckleburg
United States1080 Posts
On September 24 2009 05:27 iD.NicKy wrote: It might work as P but no way as Z or T lol As a T I've found this to be completely true up to the C+ level, against zergs I constantly lose marines to lurkers due to shitty control or whatever, but I just keep spamming marines and medics on my horribly placed 69890 barracks and have a billion workers, against protoss it's even easier because you have less units to queue(normally). I don't see how this could be any different for a zerg player, while watching ret's streams he's doing little micro things here and there but during that time he's got this massive ass force just waiting for him at his rally and he's able to just attack move everything because he has so much shit. Obviously that's somewhat out of context since Ret is incredibly good, but the point is a zerg player focusing solely on macroing units and not the little awesome looking moves that good zergs are doing at the same time, they can do extremely well. Hopefully that makes some sense. | ||
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JoMal
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
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fast ball player
206 Posts
On September 23 2009 16:43 Ftrunkz wrote: theres B rank players with like 150 apm, it has nothing to do with. THANK YOU. I get so sick of people assuming APM = skill | ||
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Einherjar
Macedonia29 Posts
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
this made me lol during my perfectly quiet geography class. thank you. | ||
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
like shauni said, apm is a good general way to judge a players skill because there does exist a CORRELATION between a skilled player and his apm now, it is not a CAUSATION situation because merely because you have high apm, wont make you good, and vice versa case in point. LZ. great player, plays at what, 9 apm? | ||
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JMave
Singapore1806 Posts
On September 24 2009 23:26 Nal_rAwr wrote: "My APM average is around 250, which I feel is sufficient to carry me through to at least a C rank(I doubt that I spam in my games)." APM doens't do anything. Just because you have 250 apm, doesn't mean you're "sufficient" enough for a C rank. n00b. practice build orders instead of practicing how to spam APM. wow even your views are messed up. you truly are a n00b. you deserve to stay at d. Lol, sup. Funny how most people are talking about the APM rather than giving advice on how to improve. That's truly weird IMO. | ||
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