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On November 08 2010 15:28 Nitan wrote:
The best S class indicator is that you like the player. Your tastes are impeccable so it's inconceivable that a player you like is not S class, even if it's only S class in spirit.
Of course, some people would rather not cheer for an S-class player. There's no joy in seeing them win if they never lose.
That said...
IF SEA HAD BETTER LUCK HE WOULD BE BONJWA TIMES A MILLION RIGHT NOW
also Light's TvP fucking rocks
and Jaehoon is also good
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Stork for S-class imo. He can beat anyone on his day. Not looking at his points MU etc. If only his Vs Zerg was a lil better, Flash would've had a MUCH harder last year.
Bisu? Yeah S-class but the eternal promise of past glory and the equally consistent failiure to live up to it is getting a bit much!
Kal? Too chokey for S imho.
Fantasy - Vs Zerg no way, no how S-class. Vs P and T - Easily S-class imo.
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On November 08 2010 15:39 Firereaver wrote:
Fantasy - Vs Zerg no way, no how S-class. Vs P and T - Easily S-class imo.
Fantasy looks wayyyy stronger vZ right now than he does in vP. vT, it's hard to say because he hasn't played much TvT lately.
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On November 08 2010 15:39 Firereaver wrote:Bisu? Yeah S-class but the eternal promise of past glory and the equally consistent failiure to live up to it is getting a bit much!
Well, I fully understand this position, but in at least one way he has shown himself capable of reaching what he has in the past in his new ELO peak vZ. Obviously he has a long way to go to restore his place as the best player, but even now I still see the skill ithat can beat Jaedong and Flash in macro games in him. He just has to get over his current(as of PL finals, I'm half convinced it's been taken care of) decision-making crisis. But compared to something like mechanics, decision making is an easy fix. I fully expect Bisu to show us that he still can beat his Z/T rivals. Maybe if he plays Jaedong and Flash we'll be able to assess where he really is right now. If he gives us another Bisu vs JD on Andromeda display of skill, then I'd say he has the capability to live up to his past.
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omg under that definition 2 zergs and only 1 terran and protoss are S-class! IMBA zerg
lol sorry :/ just doing what people always say about the bonjwas
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I like the 2200 cut-off as it agrees with my initial reaction to the threat title: that only JD and Flash are currently S-class. Fantasy (if he closes his mouth), Kal (if he can stop choking) and Zero (if he can fix his ZvZ) are the closest contenders by race. Bisu has returned to some sort of form, but is not close at this point. His vT and vP are yet to be truly tested.
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the only s-class strait is playing mobile phone games instead of practicing but still dominating the opponent and being brutally honest about it on the winner's interview.
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On November 08 2010 16:34 radialis wrote:
omg under that definition 2 zergs and only 1 terran and protoss are S-class! IMBA zerg
lol sorry :/ just doing what people always say about the bonjwas
sorry to mess up your party but effort retired like a month ago
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On November 08 2010 19:54 Shana wrote:
the only s-class strait is playing mobile phone games instead of practicing but still dominating the opponent and being brutally honest about it on the winner's interview.
Defintely! =] Byung goo
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On November 08 2010 19:54 Shana wrote:
the only s-class strait is playing mobile phone games instead of practicing but still dominating the opponent and being brutally honest about it on the winner's interview.
Haha, well said!
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On November 08 2010 19:54 Shana wrote:
the only s-class strait is playing mobile phone games instead of practicing but still dominating the opponent and being brutally honest about it on the winner's interview.
Or watching One Piece. Or playing WoW. Thats just how our team rolls eh? :D
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On November 08 2010 20:37 pvzvt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 16:34 radialis wrote:
omg under that definition 2 zergs and only 1 terran and protoss are S-class! IMBA zerg
lol sorry :/ just doing what people always say about the bonjwas sorry to mess up your party but effort retired like a month ago
clearly you missed the point of my post
no crap he retired, and the other bonjwas are retired too. does that mean that they don't count?
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Yes, that means they don't count.
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When a player you like, no matter what race, faces X player, do you go "Dammit!" ? If so, X player is S-Class. S-Class players are the guys who, no matter the matchup, make you think they'll beat anyone of any race that isn't another S-Class player. I think this of Jaedong, pre-crowning Flash, Stork and Bisu in their good days, and Fantasy around the end of PL finals last year. Effort kind of had that guise for a short while, too.
Players like Kal and Free, or Zero or Best etc always had a weak matchup or general inconsistency that was never squelched for a long enough time for me to be fearsome whenever average guys I like go up against them. I wasn't impressed enough with them at any point of their career to think it. They're not S-Class players and haven't hit it yet. I think Free is the closest to that recently, but his PvZ suddenly became really shaky.
For my example, I really like Stats. Stats is a great, if inexperienced and kind of shaky player. If Stats played someone of relative dominance to any of the players in my first paragraph, I would've gone, "Goddammit, sorry Stats." For instance, I still do when he has to play Jaedong or last MSL where I was worried Flash might have to teamkill him, etc. I can do this with a fairly good terran of, like, say, Hiya, and a fairly good zerg, like, say, Zero. If I liked these players, and they had to face these mini-tyrants in their heights, I would've been cautiously pessimistic. It wasn't out of their ability to win, but my knee jerk reaction was that they were going to lose.
That's just how I view S-Class. I never bought into this middlegroundish "Well he's just as good in TvT and TvZ but not TvP!" or any of that nonsense. You're not an S-Class player if you have a matchup that I seriously question.
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On November 08 2010 23:42 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 19:54 Shana wrote:
the only s-class strait is playing mobile phone games instead of practicing but still dominating the opponent and being brutally honest about it on the winner's interview. Haha, well said!
can i ask who said this?
edit: byung goo = stork i assume.. that's awesome lol, but as if the coaches didn't say something about it. when did he say this?
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Very simple:
"S-class" is the set of all players for whom it is never an upset when they win.
A player is "bonjwa" when he is the only s-class player.
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