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Mydnyte
Profile Joined October 2003
3306 Posts
December 29 2003 20:31 GMT
#1
I've been trying to figure out the build order for Terran Mech vs Zerg on Temple, using Goliaths/Tanks Valks or Vessels when necessary.

I was wondering if anyone had a good replay of Terran Mech vs Zerg on Temple.

Would be greatly appreciated thanks.
allister
Profile Joined December 2003
United States39 Posts
December 29 2003 20:45 GMT
#2
there was one on wgt of kiwi vs zerglee that was pretty good, but they both reset accounts. the only one i got is faye[rush] (oddy) vs h_paul_wii here: Replay
CuVieRy
Profile Joined March 2003
Canada138 Posts
December 29 2003 20:51 GMT
#3
ask drone i remember he played a nice tvz metal game a few weeks ago
Dont Die ... Too fast
Mydnyte
Profile Joined October 2003
3306 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-12-29 20:55:22
December 29 2003 20:54 GMT
#4
T_T Who's Drone?

Btw, thanks alot Allister. ^^
DrDragoon
Profile Joined August 2003
United States157 Posts
December 29 2003 21:00 GMT
#5
i believe there is one of chrh vs yellow on river of flames but im not sure where i put it
Zarathustra
Profile Joined December 2003
Canada172 Posts
December 29 2003 21:23 GMT
#6
try searching for Nada reps on your fav rep site, he is the master of Goliaths vs zerg.
BumpOnaLog
Profile Joined June 2003
Canada318 Posts
December 29 2003 21:31 GMT
#7
From my experience i only think it works if you cripple zerg badly then do it. Like sneaky vultures or a fast goliath drop, then go mech.
poland
Profile Joined February 2003
Poland956 Posts
December 29 2003 21:36 GMT
#8
u would have to mech before vultures or goliath drop
i dont believe in mimes... do u?
ZyPhReX
Profile Joined January 2003
1192 Posts
December 29 2003 22:14 GMT
#9
I have an awesome mech job by Xellos vs Xian on The Lord of the Ring tho
Ghost Me
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-12-29 22:28:33
December 29 2003 22:18 GMT
#10
Look for a 1.09b )is(city vs some guy. Youll see the most tanks youll everEVER EVER!!! see at one point in a tvz

http://v1234.myetang.com/movpic/tvz/)is(cityvs unknow.rep

i believe that is the one
AUSSIESCUM
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choader
Profile Joined June 2003
United States487 Posts
December 29 2003 22:36 GMT
#11
Uh, if you can find it get the Yosh vs Gyuntae game. Yosh's mech owned.
Failure by design.
Mydnyte
Profile Joined October 2003
3306 Posts
December 29 2003 22:37 GMT
#12
On December 30 2003 07:14 ZyPhReX wrote:
I have an awesome mech job by Xellos vs Xian on The Lord of the Ring tho


Yeah, I got that, that was awesome.
So is that Faye one that Allister gave.

But, doing fast expo for Mech Strat vs Zerg, would be really hard to pull off if Zerg decided to start harassing you with lings early.
If a Zerg catches Terran going fast expo for Mech strat, isn't it pretty much GG?
Mydnyte
Profile Joined October 2003
3306 Posts
December 29 2003 22:38 GMT
#13
On December 30 2003 07:36 choader wrote:
Uh, if you can find it get the Yosh vs Gyuntae game. Yosh's mech owned.


lol where? I need. -_-
hasuwar
Profile Joined April 2003
7365 Posts
December 29 2003 23:07 GMT
#14
1.09 Yosh vs GG99 Slayer. Yosh was known to be able to town down zergs with MM or Mech ;o
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 29 2003 23:31 GMT
#15
yosh wasn't pure mech, he'd use defensive bunkers and up rines. Thats gay

according to drone the best mech opening is a 7rax to offensive bunk, it makes sense, since it contains them to 1base or maybe even kills them(1 base zerg cannot beat a good mech terran).

However, I can't stand doing that.

i also don't like speedvult rushing to rape drones, or going wraith(unless i know for sure either one will work)

i prefer straight up 2fact goliath/vulture/tank. I also prefer to get my exp up as soon as possible. I also like to use 1 vulture to contain if possible.

Also, start getting ups right away, and if he gets mutas, use less gols and more turrets for a while(you will need the gas).
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 29 2003 23:34 GMT
#16
Oh, and if I scout lurker possibility I also get a good bit of mines.
dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
December 29 2003 23:38 GMT
#17
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choader
Profile Joined June 2003
United States487 Posts
December 29 2003 23:48 GMT
#18
On December 30 2003 08:31 travis wrote:
according to drone the best mech opening is a 7rax to offensive bunk, it makes sense, since it contains them to 1base or maybe even kills them(1 base zerg cannot beat a good mech terran).


One of my favorite games ever was a short game of Scvsss or somethign doing that to Sobad[Rush] from Cosmo's cafe. Sadly, Cosmo's cafe no longer exists.

On December 30 2003 07:38 ChoboKen wrote:
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On December 30 2003 07:36 choader wrote:
Uh, if you can find it get the Yosh vs Gyuntae game. Yosh's mech owned.


lol where? I need. -_-


This was on cosmo's cafe too I think. The cafe died.

On December 30 2003 08:38 dronebabo wrote:
how do u STOP a teran mech with zerg?


Mutalisks. Or lots of hydralisks..
Failure by design.
choader
Profile Joined June 2003
United States487 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-12-29 23:59:51
December 29 2003 23:53 GMT
#19
Slayer vs Yosh is Here

not sure if broodwar.co.yu will let you link directly. if not just go there and search for it.

another really nice game is H_Paul_WII vs yosh. Yosh loses though :[
Failure by design.
iD.Twisted
Profile Joined September 2002
Netherlands3102 Posts
December 30 2003 03:28 GMT
#20
Terran mech = mass muta, take map, tech to hive, ultra.
All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 30 2003 03:35 GMT
#21
uh
no?
ultra sux vs mech

go constant muta/hydra switch
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
December 30 2003 03:43 GMT
#22
humm i like massive mutaling -> mutacracks and eventually ultra
AUSSIESCUM
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iD.Twisted
Profile Joined September 2002
Netherlands3102 Posts
December 30 2003 04:19 GMT
#23
No, ultra does not suck vs mech

and yes I know better.
All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you
LazySCV
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
United States2942 Posts
December 30 2003 04:40 GMT
#24
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iD.Twisted
Profile Joined September 2002
Netherlands3102 Posts
December 30 2003 04:49 GMT
#25
But a normal z will just kill the vulture with muta and expand.
All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
December 30 2003 04:52 GMT
#26
a zerg would own anything mech that can fit in 2~3 dropships with muta
AUSSIESCUM
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DReaMe
Profile Joined October 2002
United States337 Posts
December 30 2003 05:08 GMT
#27
as z, play vs mech as you would play against P...Take the map continously, but mass hatch and just alot of cracks / hydras / gaurdians in late game

by the time t has xpod with mech, you should have atleast 5-6 hatches flowing ling hydra with a few lurks, and DO NOT let them use drops. Mech drops are fucking impossible to stop
wo chej ma go ren
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4532 Posts
December 30 2003 05:10 GMT
#28
just do mutas first , then 3-4 hatch hydra and once u get 12 muta and 20 hydras attack and win the game, and just take ur 2nd nat and do 6 hatch hydra with 2 evos and drop/speed researched, mech is soooo easy to beat :/
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ObsoleteLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3676 Posts
December 30 2003 05:16 GMT
#29
HINT
sMi.Silent // Siz)Silent
ShAsTa
Profile Joined November 2002
Belgium2841 Posts
December 30 2003 05:50 GMT
#30
I remember a tvz yosh vs paul and paul owned the shit out of yosh with his _mutas_. Great thing to watch
If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
LazySCV
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
United States2942 Posts
December 30 2003 06:03 GMT
#31
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Twitt
Profile Joined December 2003
United States733 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-12-30 07:03:05
December 30 2003 07:02 GMT
#32
Actually, it's both. Muta/Hydra is how you beat mech. I myself generally have a hard time with mech as well...=/ Seems to be the one terran strat that always throws me off guard.
MAN CLAN FIGHTING INDEED!~
ObsoleteLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3676 Posts
December 30 2003 07:50 GMT
#33
plague > metal
sMi.Silent // Siz)Silent
iD.Twisted
Profile Joined September 2002
Netherlands3102 Posts
December 30 2003 08:00 GMT
#34
Uh Lazyscv, it's not like people will go on a exp frenzy before they get muta. If the z just takes his natural, starts pumping muta, have like 10 and then take 2 more gas expands, that was what I was talking about. And an initial attack with 8 gols and 2 tanks will get raped by a dozen of muta.
All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you
ObsoleteLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3676 Posts
December 30 2003 08:04 GMT
#35
gols only do 50% damage to mutas, this is why.
sMi.Silent // Siz)Silent
Aukai
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1183 Posts
December 30 2003 09:56 GMT
#36
The last 2 links are broken.
There was one really amazing gal. She was one of the biggest chick i ever seen.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 30 2003 15:54 GMT
#37
dude how could you possibly say switching to ultras is a good counter to mech?

have you ever attacked goliaths with ultras or ran them through a mine field?
Mydnyte
Profile Joined October 2003
3306 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-12-30 16:01:38
December 30 2003 15:59 GMT
#38
Golaith +1 weapons does 24+2
24+4
24+6
Mutalis +1 armor is 0+1
0+2
0+3
Goliath does xplosive dmg per upgrade, to -2 per armor muta.
Mutalis can -6 and 50% of goliath dmg. Which is 12-6 (full armored muta to no upged goliath)
A goliath can dish out a max of 15 dmg to a Non upgraded Muta. (Few progamers upgrade armor only for their mutas to cut the explosive dmg -->ChoJJa and [NC]...YellOw) Muta is 120hp Goliath is 125. If they both are even in upgrades, or max. The goliath is the better unit. Due to range, and cooling time.
So, overall I think an upgraded goliath owns Zerg Air.

EDIT: I think a key to making them work, is paying attention to their upgrades.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
December 30 2003 16:13 GMT
#39
except for the fact that goliaths usually die b4 getting off a full round of missiles to kill 1 muta? Sure the gollie looks better statistically, but in actual gameplay microing mutas vs gollies is easy as shit, and armor ups>>>>gollies. While your busy trying to pump out of 4-6 facts zerg is just recycling mutas and adding expansions. It can be done, but vs good zerg you'll have a hard time unless you get em fast enough early game with like a vult drop/contain or something to deny their eco from getting too good. Valks make mech strats 10x easier btw cuz they are sexy and eliminate those annoying hydra drops which usually gg any terran mech. And ultras sure arent the best thing vs mech, but they are more of an "anti-push" vs mech, cuz they deny any chance of a tank pushing setting up.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
FroZZoR
Profile Joined October 2002
China925 Posts
December 30 2003 16:18 GMT
#40
<--- Master vs mech
Ok, so basically what you do is get 2 or 3 hat +1 armor muta from your exp and your main, perhaps building 1 sunken at each if they decided to vulture raid. Just keep on massing muta, and you should be able to own any pure goliath strat. Don't get a lot of drones, like 12 per base mining minerals max, and when they expand you take another main/natural. Build 3 sunkens or so at the natural, and it is most important that you are mining as at each. Never directly confront the tank/gol force directly; if they run out of their base to attack, try to force them back in by attacking their main with your mass mutas(which should work unless they have like 10 turrets at each base). You should build a few scourge if they are getting valks, and wait until the terran gets to one of your bases or you get to 200/200 to attack. Then you should continue to take islands(which the terran won't be able to stop), and probably make some defiler and ground units or something(my games vs mech don't really last this long). The only problem with mass muta is valk, so once they get 5 or so, you should have 4 bases to their 2, and continue expanding, and you should just win with an econ advantage. The key is not building ground units early, because they pretty much get owned by mech unless you outresource them by a huge amount.
There can be only one
iD.Twisted
Profile Joined September 2002
Netherlands3102 Posts
December 30 2003 16:27 GMT
#41
On December 31 2003 00:54 travis wrote:
dude how could you possibly say switching to ultras is a good counter to mech?

have you ever attacked goliaths with ultras or ran them through a mine field?


Speed lord vs mines (not that mines are practical anyway, because you just flank the ter once he gets out of his base <lack of mobility>)

I build ultra when I get 4 or even 6 base gas, before that I just do mass muta. If they get valk, I try to hold on with mass muta + scourge for some time till I get ultra. Ultra rape goliaths.
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