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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
The decision was wrong. It wasn't just wrong. It was extremely unfair. Fenix doesn't deserve to be cheated by a poor decision. The game was too close to give you a win. I am very surprised that you guys didn't just replay it instantly. Luckily this tournament isn't run by KeSPA. I told Lipton that if anything like this comes up again, to message me. The tournament will be won by the player who plays the best, as all tournaments should be. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
If it were a perfect world and all the admins were as knowledgeable as Artosis about the game and how to fairly run a competition then we wouldn't have ever had this problem. Unfortunately an incorrect "final decision" was made. You are down 0-1 in a series and theres a disconnect in game two that's totally even and you want it to become 1-1 or back to 0-0? What kind of world are you living in you retard. I mean, you almost got lucky. If Artosis didn't fix the situation Fenix would have gotten screwed over (but he still probably would have managed to beat your stupid ass anyways.) But unfortunately for you you didn't get to cheat the system. Boo fucking hoo. Props to Fenix for sticking to his guns and refusing to abide by that "final decision." People are putting up hard work and money to run a competition and you, as a mere foreign player, disrespect them and your opponent by trying to get a 2nd chance at game 1 or a free win at game 2? To cry like a little bitch about "IT WAS A FINAL DECISION" is the most pathetic argument I've ever heard in my life. I mean if you steal a candy bar from a store and get caught by a police officer on your way out do you a. give him the candybar back and he probably gives you a warning or calls your mom. Or do you b. say 'fuck you' and try and eat the candy bar? Thats essentially what you're doing. Not very bright. I hope your decision to drop out of this tournament is a "FINAL DECISION." No one wants to play with cheaters anyways. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13922 Posts
On June 29 2009 21:56 motbob wrote: What an unfair thing to say. EDIT: especially since Artosis worked with Daniel Lee at scforall for a period of time. Uh i think hes mad cause fenix went around the chain of command for dealing with the tournament, and then Artosis bitched out lipton for being an idiot. And forced a change in decision. (hes not mad @ fenix cause fenix was just doing what he thought was needed to get things right, rather at artosis and lipton) | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
Strelok on the other hand should know that judgement was retarded. If Strelok was clearly winning game 2 then yes 1-1, if not replay it. How should it ever force the series to be replayed or the win given to you? You are a top foreigner who has played in countless tournaments, you know the rules, and are trying to take advantage of a stupid decision made by someone who probably shouldn't be making those decisions. You can argue that going back on the decision made is somehow dishonorable, but trying to take that obvious unfair advantage over your opponent is even more dishonorable because you should know better. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On June 29 2009 22:02 Rekrul wrote: mod edit Oh dear god. If anyone else wrote this, it would be a ban. Hell, it might still be a ban. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17743 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
But i really can't understand when serious men, professionals, change their decisions, "final decisions" as they call them, for many times. This happens because serious men, professionals, have the ability to realize and admit when they were wrong. Cough. | ||
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Wurzelbrumpft
Germany471 Posts
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Nylan
United States795 Posts
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Substandard
Italy270 Posts
I guess there is no way the rep of that second game will ever get out to the public huh? It's sad to see a great player drop out of the tournament over something like this. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On June 29 2009 22:18 Nylan wrote: I see the drama llama is up early today. LOL I didn't sleep yet. | ||
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nataziel
Australia1455 Posts
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Doso
Germany769 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On June 29 2009 22:32 nataziel wrote: I dunno, sounds like strelok kind of has a point, he's not saying that anything the referees have said is wrong, just that they went back on their word. By the same token, why leave? Worst case scenario you play fenix and lose... best case, you win the tournament. Strelok is in no way badmouthing sdm or artosis, he's saying they DO know more about starcraft than him, he's just pissed off that they changed their decision. Both sides have fair arguments, but I just think it's a bit stupid to turn around and pull out because of something like this. No! Actually what he should have done is this! After the disconnect happened said "Well that sucks ok replay gogo." Thats what a normal person would do. But instead he chooses to act like a little girl that just got farted on. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On June 29 2009 22:32 nataziel wrote: I dunno, sounds like strelok kind of has a point, he's not saying that anything the referees have said is wrong, just that they went back on their word. By the same token, why leave? Worst case scenario you play fenix and lose... best case, you win the tournament. Strelok is in no way badmouthing sdm or artosis, he's saying they DO know more about starcraft than him, he's just pissed off that they changed their decision. Both sides have fair arguments, but I just think it's a bit stupid to turn around and pull out because of something like this. Yeah but they aren't changing the decision to one that favors Fenix given the circumstances, they are changing it to the logical decision that would have been made 99% of the time if the tournament admin knew what he was doing in the first place. He doesn't really have a right to complain. It's like if a cashier rings up one item and forgets the other but right before I pay she's like "oops" and adds the other thing I'm buying. Do I pitch a fit because I didn't get something for free I don't deserve? No | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13922 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
I was playing in a poker tournament in Macau. I was going pretty far and had a big stack. I put out a huge bluff on this guy but he called me. I showed my hand. Then he showed me a hand that beat mine but then accidentally flipped it upside down and threw it into the muck. The rules state that if you do this your hand is dead. That means I win the hand. This pot was worth a lof of money in equity for me. One faggot kid chimed up and he's like "YO THATS UR POT MAN HE MUCKED IT." I looked at the kid like he was a fucking idiot. The dealer was trying to ship me the pot. "Give him the pot." I said. Kids like "no dude thats ur pot..." "GIVE HIM THE FUCKKKKING POT." The idiot that mucked his hand had no idea what was going on. But justice was had. I did not deserve those chips. He made the right call. Some other guy at the table said "WOW, respect." Just another day in the life. Example 2: Similar situaion. I called a huge turn bet with a straight flush draw (king jack high) on a QTssxx board and then missed on the the river. I checked and the other guy checked. I slammed my hand down face up as always do. He then just like insta mucked his hand. The dealer shipped me the pot then the guy (who is a genuinely nice guy) was like "OMG I HAD KJ TOO I THOUGHT U HAD SOMETHING BETTER BY THE WAY U FLIPPED UR HAND UP SO I JUST MUCKED." I looked him in the eye, "are you serious?" "Yes!" He was not lying to me. I then counted the pot and gave him half of it. BUT!!! I guess not everyone can be the man. | ||
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cafaro
Netherlands32 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 29 2009 22:50 cafaro wrote: Artosis is right, but please discuss initial descisions with people that actually KNOW the game, so controversy like this can be avoided You don't even need to know the game that well, all you need is some common sense. An intelligent C- player could have made the right decision, it doesn't take a rocket scientist or a progamer. | ||
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