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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
Also, if a player wishes they can squelch their opponent and not respond so they can make that choice if they wish. At the very least KeSPA shouldn't penalize people for obvious mistakes like Nal_rA's accidental pause in the first minute of the game or GoRush typing "a" by accident... That's just silly and is going to hurt their fanbase's interest in starcraft e-sports. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
I think it's stupid as hell for players to be chatting it up in a professional game. There's really no reason to allow it, and letting people chat just welcomes problems of trying to enforce what they say when it comes to offensiveness and spamming. It's a lot easier to just say no chatting. Let them do it in the events like allstars and the lighthearted stuff. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On May 17 2009 10:27 Archaic wrote: Shift enter is all-chat I believe. I think the allies shortcut is alt enter? Chat to allies is Ctrl-Enter  | ||
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DrTJEckleburg
United States1080 Posts
On May 17 2009 10:35 floor exercise wrote: Pretty sure you aren't allowed to chat publicly in other pro games like CS. I think it's stupid as hell for players to be chatting it up in a professional game. There's really no reason to allow it, and letting people chat just welcomes problems of trying to enforce what they say when it comes to offensiveness and spamming. It's a lot easier to just say no chatting. Let them do it in the events like allstars and the lighthearted stuff. Every CPL I went to and every LAN event I have been to chatting is allowed, mm2 is preferred, but a little comment or friendly remark is not penalized and they are rare. Although bare in mind the last LAN I attended or played in was back in early 2006. ex: element dying to a two person stack during CPL winter 2003, his reaction - "towers are just so the 80s", a priceless quote in the cs community which took nothing away from anything and deserved no penalty. Whether it be "nice shot rambo" or "gg" or "gg guys" or whatever in any kind of fashion. The only DQs that I know of in any LAN event whatsoever in CS had to do with talking shit, which is the only reason that is justifiable in my opinion. Just drawing to draw the parallel because competitive 1.3/1.5/1.6/CS:S was getting pretty damn big, I don't follow it much anymore so I can't comment on its current status. | ||
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mucker
United States1120 Posts
this tradition is what pro gaming in korea springs from, not athletic sports. when you come at it from this perspective, things like the chat ban and the ear muffs as essential rules. it is all about the game. all the action takes place in the game and all the mind games are in the game. a go player that yelled or made annoying sounds or openly talked about strategy or specific moves in order to throw their opponent off would not be tolerated. that isn't mind games, it is trying to make up for a weakness in the game with something external. professionals are totally focused on the game and they let their play do all the talking. starcraft is of course a little different. it is fast paced and young people like it, so they have flashing lights and rock music and cheering crowds and win ceremonies to make it more fun. but all of that is still kept external to the game itself to maintain credibility within the tradition of professional gaming. if they allowed chatting and text spamming, the game could easily get to a point where players just spammed nonstop. maybe pros could get used to it, but it would most likely decrease the value of the spectator experience. and then there is the worry of a major title being decided by chat or spam, which would kill the credibility of the game from the tradition of professional gaming. all that considered, the rules are clearly too strict. in japan i once saw a professional go game in which one player sneezed while the other player was placing a stone. the second player was surprised and dropped his stone on the board, messing up a bunch of other stones. of course deliberately making an noise to distract another player would result in a forfeit, as would deliberately messing up the stones on the board. but since it was clearly an accident they fixed the clocks, fixed the board and proceeded with the game. no big deal. kespa needs to adopt the same stance when it comes to accidents. they have their video feed and cameras on their hands, right? the first time, pause and give a warning. if it becomes a pattern, then punish. really not hard. the current zero tolerance rule is clearly detrimental to the sport. another thing that is a shame, imo, is that blizzard has not stepped up to patch starcraft to make a "competition mode". they have made so much money thanks to professional starcraft they really should have taken the time to make some improvements. a way to disable chat, with built in gg and pause request functions. a built in observer mode with additional stats displayed. a better, more interesting start screen than the lame ums story-mode-press-start thing that comes up. hopefully they are paying attention and at least put things like this in starcraft2. | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
I think LR said it well, but I shall state it again: 1) The rules have no lee way. You have live, thinking refs there, why don't you give them a function that live, thinking refs can do. The refs are trying to make KESPA and Esports work together, they're not going to make bad calls. 2) Warnings for major infractions would at least make the rules more fair. Making a DQ the one and only punishment for ceremonies, give FBH a hearing and a warning. If FBH is reckless again, perhaps then the game should be revoked. | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On May 17 2009 07:45 mmdmmd wrote: ok, I understand he accidentally pressed a. But press enter after that? His mind is obviously somewhere else during that moment. IMO the ban is justified. Wow, you just DON'T understand do you? We've all been in a situation where we've made a mistake. No matter how stupid or ridiculous the mistake was, WE'VE ALL BEEN THERE BEFORE. Why can't people like you just understand? I'd like to see you carry out a seemingly easy task and NEVER screw up. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On May 17 2009 11:21 BanZu wrote: Wow, you just DON'T understand do you? We've all been in a situation where we've made a mistake. No matter how stupid or ridiculous the mistake was, WE'VE ALL BEEN THERE BEFORE. Why can't people like you just understand? I'd like to see you carry out a seemingly easy task and NEVER screw up. some people are just idiots, dont try to reason with them. | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
In my opinion that's bullshit, players got so many more issues to handle in their heads than whether there's a ton of text messages popping up at the bottom of the screen or the guy is trying to mess with your head. I doubt they even have time to notice it in the midst of their 400 APM routines. It would only be game breaking if it were visually impairing to have a few messages on the screen (as many as one can type while still playing, which can't cover that much area), and if that was the case they could set better rules preventing spamming and not chatting entirely. They're afraid players can mess each other up through text, which is so gay and over protective. They type at the game lobby too, why not ban that. In fact, put a paper bag on their heads as they enter the booth, and not let them use their screen names, now that would be fair. They have to use "Generic_player_from_team#1" and "Generic_player_from_team#2" as aliases. No human expression allowed at all, because human expression is imbalanced, unjust, and perhaps dangerous. But maybe it is game breaking and I'm wrong, you never know... | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
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NotJumperer
United States1371 Posts
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Deleted User 30223
3104 Posts
On May 17 2009 10:27 Archaic wrote: Shift enter is all-chat I believe. I think the allies shortcut is alt enter? he's saying that both players should set to allied chat first chance they get, and then gg with shift+enter. that way, no one would know if they typed something or not, but when they gg, everybody sees it. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On May 17 2009 08:05 da_head wrote: this i disagree with. its gonna turn into a constant form of spamming, and not very appealing to audience members. I hate arguments like this. Do progamers do something that portrays them as 12 year olds without a brain? Look, you remove the chat ban and i doubt you'd see much of a change. A bit of banter back and forth but spamming? Get real man, most of these gamers are grown adults, they know their limits. IIRC Boxer didn't type "no space" to trick Juni... he typed that because it was true and he's a showman. Juni was just a nervous wreck and panicked. I don't see how typing ban is even legitimate. It's up to the person reading it to believe it or not... I don't see the issue. I believe some games would be much more entertaining if chatting were allowed. Imagine some of the rivalries that could flourish under such a system  But everyone needs to pay attention to the first page. These rules leave nothing to interpretation. An accident or an intentional BM is treated the same way which is WRONG... especially in a game where split seconds can lose you the game. | ||
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pubbanana
United States3063 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20667 Posts
On May 17 2009 14:45 pubbanana wrote: Does no one remember the days when chatting was allowed? YellOw: Yell if boxer is bunkering! Boxer: *Sends out early scv* Crowd: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YellOw: *12-pools* BoxeR: *builds ebay @ YellOw nat* Ah... those days were amusing. | ||
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
On May 17 2009 15:12 Last Romantic wrote: YellOw: Yell if boxer is bunkering! Boxer: *Sends out early scv* Crowd: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YellOw: *12-pools* BoxeR: *builds ebay @ YellOw nat* Ah... those days were amusing. +1 | ||
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Last Romantic
United States20667 Posts
I am sad that YellOw lost that game though. Reaaaaally bad army control ._. | ||
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kNife
Malaysia70 Posts
but i reli cant think the way he typed ''a'' ><ll | ||
Aesop
Hungary11305 Posts
On May 19 2009 20:25 kNife wrote:
sad for him.. but i reli cant think the way he typed ''a'' > Someone explained that in another thread on this issue. After getting disqualified the game before for typing gg in Korean, he wanted to test his keyboard settings, which language they were at, and accidently submitted the "a" he wrote to test. | ||
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
On May 19 2009 20:32 Aesop wrote: Someone explained that in another thread on this issue. After getting disqualified the game before for typing gg in Korean, he wanted to test his keyboard settings, which language they were at, and accidently submitted the "a" he wrote to test. Wouldn't he see that in the pre-game chat though? | ||
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