EPTOn May 13 2009 20:23 Art.FeeL wrote:
We should support GOMtv more now ... dogspa really destroys the beauty of starcraft
We should support GOMtv more now ... dogspa really destroys the beauty of starcraft
THis has my vote
KeSPA, a negative influence to e-Sports? - Page 2
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AlwaysGG
Taiwan952 Posts
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FaCE_1
Canada6185 Posts
I Aggree Even if GOM doesn't have all team, it's really good tournement <3 Gom | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
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hymn
Bulgaria832 Posts
Think of it like a soccer association - they allow the footballer certain freedoms as not every curse during a game is sanctioned and if it is it is not this ridiculous like this DQs. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
Like I said earlier, KeSPA has the right intentions with their rules, they just go about handling it the wrong way. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
This is just awful for business all around, we can always hope for a total rehaul of the system with SC2 some day. | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
pros: Or do you think Gom, MBC or OGN would prioritize what if they had to choose between self profit Vs making your life as a spectator any better? o.O Do you think those would have done much different were they in Kespa's skin? Should we hate one and love the other because of their position?- Kespa made programming possible - without them bw would have died a long time ago cons: - but they made a few mistakes like in that one game at that one time - they're capitalists like 99.9% of the commercial corporations on the planet Yea! We'd be much better off without out them? | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
Kespa is run by a bunch of old men from influential IT companies mixed in with government officials who weren't competent enough to run a real project. Kespa was very quick to centralize all SC related business and claim rights and establish authority. They are very slow to do anything else, including insuring the well-being of gamers. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8194 Posts
On May 14 2009 02:00 HonestTea wrote: This is all under the assumption that Kespa cares for the quality of their product, ie the quality of games and gamers. Kespa is run by a bunch of old men from influential IT companies mixed in with government officials who weren't competent enough to run a real project. Kespa was very quick to centralize all SC related business and claim rights and establish authority. They are very slow to do anything else, including insuring the well-being of gamers. That makes sense to me. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On May 14 2009 01:39 VIB wrote: Doesn't this sound a little bit like: Or do you think Gom, MBC or OGN would prioritize what if they had to choose between self profit Vs making your life as a spectator any better? o.O Do you think those would have done much different were they in Kespa's skin? Should we hate one and love the other because of their position? programming? the fuck? kespa didn't make progaming possible, the original kespa made some headway and good moves for making sure players were treated well, then new guys took over kespa, they came in halfway through and decided they owned progaming and have done nothing but create and carry out terrible rules ever since | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
This is all under the assumption that Kespa cares for the quality of their product, ie the quality of games and gamers. Kespa cares the most about the same thing that Gom, MBC, OGN, IEG, Blizzard, Microsoft and any other capitalist cares the most: Making money. Delivering a good product is just one of the many means to an end. If for whatever reason making a good product gets in the way of making the best short term profit. All of those will choose the same option. Moving their arse to solve a small mistake, for example, costs them money. So they won't move it unless it is really clear as day that doing otherwise would imply in severe losses.Hating them for that, or wishing we were better off without them sounds a little bit superficial imho. | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On May 13 2009 22:12 AzureEye wrote: Wtf. The winner's league is gone because of Kespa? fuck.. MBC's All-Kill league =/= Winners League On May 13 2009 20:08 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: five teams dont participate in GOM because kespa has a hardon for their attempted monopoly No, four teams don't participate in GOM because their owners do not believe it is in their best interests. KeSPA only holds part of the blame because they won't force those teams to participate by sanctioning GOM's leagues. KeSPA has made a lot of bad decisions over the years but people need to realize that getting rid of them now would surely mean the end of competitive BW as we know it. Making rash statements like "the teams should just go create a new organization" or the like are just foolish. 90% of the problems we all are miffed about could be solved if there was a players association which helped maintain a balance of power between KeSPA and the players. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On May 14 2009 02:30 p4NDemik wrote: MBC's All-Kill league =/= Winners League No, four teams don't participate in GOM because their owners do not believe it is in their best interests. KeSPA only holds part of the blame because they won't force those teams to participate by sanctioning GOM's leagues. KeSPA has made a lot of bad decisions over the years but people need to realize that getting rid of them now would surely mean the end of competitive BW as we know it. Making rash statements like "the teams should just go create a new organization" or the like are just foolish. 90% of the problems we all are miffed about could be solved if there was a players association which helped maintain a balance of power between KeSPA and the players. estro and t1 don't play because of the IEG/KeSPA connection OGN/MBC dont play because the corporates see gom as competition AND they fear legal action from kespa when their players play in something not kespa sanctioned as is defined in the broadcasting rights that kespa created and sold to IEG ace doesnt play for whatever reason | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
What basis would KeSPA/IEG have to sue MBC/OGN if they let their players play in GOM? I don't see the connection you're trying to make. Those teams don't play purely because OGN/MBC don't want the added competition. KeSPA doesn't have the power to dictate what events teams can not participate in - they can only tell them which events the teams absolutely have to participate in. (and that's pretty much limited to PL) Basically what I'm asking is what clause in the broadcasting rights makes MBC and OGN's progaming teams KeSPA's bitch? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 14 2009 02:10 VIB wrote: Kespa cares the most about the same thing that Gom, MBC, OGN, IEG, Blizzard, Microsoft and any other capitalist cares the most: Making money. Delivering a good product is just one of the many means to an end. If for whatever reason making a good product gets in the way of making the best short term profit. All of those will choose the same option. Moving their arse to solve a small mistake, for example, costs them money. So they won't move it unless it is really clear as day that doing otherwise would imply in severe losses. Hating them for that, or wishing we were better off without them sounds a little bit superficial imho. Im gonna guess you have no idea how business works. | ||
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