Negotiation with current team will take place on August 12th through 20th. Other teams excluding current team will place bids between August 21st through 25th. Re-negotiation with current team will be from August 28th through 31st.
So er, predictions? I guess I'll make a shortlist of what teams are in dire need of;
KTF: Protoss. CJ: They already have solid talent forming for all three races, so I don't think it is necessary for them to acquire someone from FA. eSTRO: Same as above. Woongjin: A FUCKING DECENT TERRAN. Lecaf: A Protoss to replace the shadow left by Anytime? HERO: Dunno Sparkyz: I think they are fine. KHAN: A Zerg, most definitely. T1: A Zerg that is good. This isn't TheZerg. Soul: No idea. WeMade: Zerg department definitely, after losing Firefist to KTF.
Let the guessing games begin ;s
My true thoughts; I think teams will be willing to keep their marquee/popular players on huge contracts, so basically that deals Stork, Free, Sea, Hwasin, Nada, FBH, Iris, Savior and Yarnc out of the picture. Those who just joined teams will probably be also out of the picture, so that counts out Bisu, Luxury and GGPlay.
savior will transfer to khan and start raping everyone again and hell be with FBH. "keep ur friends close and ur enemies closer" or something like that.
I was under the impression that FA wouldn't start until after this current PL season. Having a FA period right in the middle of a regular season doesn't make any sense.
I believe changes cannot be made to a roster until the beginning of a PL round. Its a new rule can someone verify it please? I believe ACE misses out in this and I disagree w/ Estro. Estro needs reliable ACE b/c they would be guaranteed top 6 if they could win 1/2 of those matches.
On November 19 2008 08:57 LosingID8 wrote: Rules and details of free agency are now clearly written in the 41st section of the e-Sports Official Rules. Starting in 2009, progamers who have been active since March 22nd 2006 and played in at least 15% of team games will be the first players to receive the free agent status. That will be the mark of a significant change in the e-Sports scene.
It's not specific about the exact time FA will kick in, but I figure its safe to assume it won't be until the end of the current season. No organizers/owners in their right mind would set it up where players are shifting teams mid-season.
I think the top 6 teams need to focus on making sure they don't lose their stars, although most of them are probably pretty secure.
Who does this really leave available? TT, SoO, Zeus, Canata, Calm, Saint, JiHyun, Max are the names that don't jump out at me as must-keeps, although I guess players like Pusan, Midas, and Much wouldn't be impossible to snatch.
Really I'd like it if KTF stole Bisu from SKT, although I'd estimate the chance of that at 0% :D
Yeah, I think FA will start sometime in the fall, after the Proleague finals.
Also, for Khan, they don't need so much a zerg as they do a protoss sniper, because their entire lineup is weak vs. toss except for Stork(who's off and on in the matchup). In another words, the God of War!
IMO the top players in the teams will not change much, unless some team offers a HUGE deal to the player due to a great need for them, but the lesser players might be shuffled around a bit depending on how good they are at specific MUs and how much each team needs a specific MU.
On December 30 2008 11:43 baubo wrote: Yeah, I think FA will start sometime in the fall, after the Proleague finals.
Also, for Khan, they don't need so much a zerg as they do a protoss sniper, because their entire lineup is weak vs. toss except for Stork(who's off and on in the matchup). In another words, the God of War!
My FA analysis: - Samsung: Stork is not going anywhere, same as FBH. Samsung wants them, and they want to stay. About TT and Jihyun... well, I don't think they are going to be targeted by any other team.
- SKT: Bisu has a huge contract that few teams can take, one of those being KTF, but I doubt they'll start a player stealing war. Besides, Bisu has no reason to leave. Midas is not doing very well as of lately, but he was there from the beginning, and I think he will end his career at T1. Canata is kinda like Midas, but who knows. A big contract could tempt him. However, he can only offer TvT, and who would throw big money for a one dimensional player?
- WStars: If Free didn't leave 6 months ago, he won't leave now. He loves Stars as much as UpMagic loves eSTRO, and that's saying a lot. GGPlay just returned to his home, and since then he has begun to do well again. I think he learned from the CJ experience. Nowhere like home. Max is a not very tempting veteran who is enjoying his new massage chair in his new state-of-the-art new home. Dead end.
- CJ: Much has been rumored to be considering joining the army. Even if he doesn't, he is due soon, so it would not be worth going all the trouble at this point. Besides, this guy loves CJ. Iris is the captain of CJ, and that alone is a big deal. I admit this guy is very tempting for the terran-thirsty teams, but it would take a huge contract to even make him consider it. Savior? Just... no way.
- MBC: Pusan is MBC Hero. Sea is also a house trademark, but maybe some big money would make him change badges. Saint is hot, and a good zerg seems a rarity this days. He is not gonna lack pretenders.
- eSTRO: Tester himself said he is retiring pretty soon. He might as well end his career at eSTRO.
- STX: sOo has a secret crush on TossGirl. No money can't take him away from his sweetheart. July said he is happy at STX, but he likes chasing big contracts. It's just a matter of how many teams are willing to offer money for a declining God of War. Calm is enjoying a sweet moment at STX, and no reason to leave. Hwasin is the captain of STX. He is not doing well, and maybe if he thinks a change of team will help him, he might consider it.
- WeMade: Nada is this teams soul. His contract is prohibitive for most teams, and he is not the former monster he was. However, if someone wants to afford him, he could leave seeking more playtime. He has switched teams a couple of times already, so who knows. Rock... who would want to take him?
- KTF: Luxury has been devaluated, and no one wants a slumping star with a huge contract.
- OGN: After seeing what happened to his twin, I don't think he is eager to change colors anytime soon. And Zeus is no-want for any team right now.
- KTF: Tempest is still on the making, so they need someone to cover up for him. Obviously Stork, Bisu and Free are out of the question. Pusan would be a dream for them, but it is going to be really hard to convince him. Much is not bad also, but he is on the decline. sOo could be another choice, but I don't think they want another protoss in the making. They already have Tempest.
- CJ: CJ doesn't buy. They create. And the one time they bought, it didn't work as expected.
- eSTRO: Nothing out there that they want and they can afford. Besides, they are well covered.
- Woongjin: MVP and PianO are taking too long to develop. Iris would be the perfect choice. But even Canata will do.
- Lecaf: Personally, I'd think a protoss might be in order, but nothing affordable out there, and it seems they are still betting in zizi yO.
- MBC: They have all three races covered(Sea, Saint, Pusan), and besides, HERO is a selling team, not a buying one. Cheapass managers...
- Sparkyz: Leta and yarnc cover T and Z. They have 2 awesome prospects for P in Tazza and Horang2, and still they do well in PL. Besides, same as MBC: Cheapass managers.
- KHAN: A guy like Calm or Saint could definitely make them favorites in PL, but it looks like they are betting on by.great. Besides, since ChRh, I don't think they have ever bought any player since.
- T1: TheZerg seems to be a big bust. Personally, I think he is talented. Maybe too much pressure since the beginning. I don't think the management is willing to buy a second zerg in such a short period of time, especially since they have been doing pretty decent in PL and such a move could definitely undermine their zerg roster morale even more. However, they have the money, they have a history of buying players, so I wouldn't be surprised if they fish at MBC(again) for Saint, or maybe imitate KTF and try to steal yarnc.
- STX: Kal and Calm are doing good. They need Hwasin to step it up, but while he finds his former self somewhere in there, Iris seems tempting. But they have no moneys. Don't get fooled. They got July on a 50% discount.
- WeMade: Mind and Nada are a very decent duo for terran. Same was supposed to happen with HerO and Pure, but suddenly they lost their magic. They never had a reliable zerg. I personally still believe in HerO and Pure, although I'm starting to lose my faith in them. Keke is an average zerg that won't take you anywhere, and RoRo started good, but is going worse. They need both and experienced toss(Much) to guide the two young ones, and a decent zerg to team up with RoRo. But with Nada's contract, I'm afraid they don't have cap space, and I doubt the team management is willing to go over the cap, luxury tax or not.
I predict few movement, but a blockbuster move could happen if teams like T1 and KTF decide to go on the move. However I woulnd't be surprised if there were no movements at all. Like they say in Wag the Dog, why change horses in midstream?
Buyers: ---KTF: They definitely need a reliable Protoss, and three of the 'dragons' are on the market as well as Much, Pusan, and even Rock. If even one of them isn't sold before KTF gets their hands on them, I'd expect KTF to put down more than one offer. CJ and MBC may be unable to bring out the cash for Much and Pusan, both of whom KTF would be glad to take on, for sure. To a considerably less extent, Rock might not be held on to by WeMade, which might attract a KTF team desperate to hold on to Luxury.
---KHAN: I don't think great is ready to anchor the Zerg lineup of this Proleague powerhouse, and I think KHAN maybe has put a little too much stock in him. KHAN is losing a lot with free agency, but if they don't break the bank to keep Stork and FBH, KHAN's going to be kissing a lot more goodbye. I can see them parting ways with JiHyun and even TT in order to get their hands on a Zerg with market value. Bizarre though it may seem, if CJ isn't willing to empty the piggy bank, we may see sAviOr in a KHAN uniform. KHAN needs the experience, leadership, and market value, and certainly the destruction that sAviOr will bring in 2009. It's actually a surprisingly good match for the both of them. Calm is also a possibility if sAviOr's asking price is too high.
---SKT: Goodbye Canata. Goodbye Midas. Hello Calm. Calm's relative lack of success in individual leagues will keep his price lower. His Proleague wins are all they'll want, and they'll get that. I can see Calm being able to keep the Zerg lineup together. It's also possible Yarnc will end up there is OGN is as stingy as they may feasibly be. With Canata and Midas gone, and Boxer back, a reliable Proleague Zerg is the only thing on SKT's wish list. I predict a move here for sure.
---Woongjin: This is my dark horse buyer. Woongjin has done very impressively this season. Their new sponsor breathed life into the whipping boys of Proleague. Free is on a tear, GGPlay is solid, but the Woongjin breed of Terran is...weak. I don't think Woongjin will be handing over a trunk of cash, but it's certainly possible that the likes of Canata, Midas, or even Iris will find their way into the Woongjin house. If Woongjin is growing a money tree out back, the slumping Hwasin might be a possibility.
Crash and Burners: ---Max: Almost everybody needs Zergs. Nobody needs 2v2 zergs. Unless some team has a rich uncle, Max will probably have no place to go. ---Zeus: Ehhh...OGN will probably play hide-and-go-seek with the check book. ---TT: Unless KHAN resigns him because he's captain, I can't really see anybody wanting a medicore Protoss with so much else on the market. TT is sort of a like the Rock, except the Rock wins some of the time.
Not going anywhere for sure: ---Stork: Duh. ---Bisu: Very few teams can afford what Bisu's making right now, and SKT probably doesn't want to part with his star power. ---free: Even with GGPlay and a new sponsor, free is still carrying most of Woongjin's hopes on his back. They simply can't do without him. ---Pusan: if MBC has ANY sense, they'll break the bank for this guy. He's been indispensable. ---Sea: See above. You can build a team around these two. ---Tester: Probably not long for the scene, but probably not going anywhere, either. He'll probably accept a relatively small contract just to stay with eSTRO. ---FBH: His personality is probably worth ten times whatever they'll pay him annually in terms of star power, plus, he's playing pretty well this season. ---Luxury: He isn't a rental player. He hasn't been exactly what KTF hoped for in the second half, but he did win WCG, and he has Starleague potential. They'll hold on to him, for sure. ---GGPlay: See free. ---July: He's happy at STX, and I think STX is happy with him. I think he'll be agreeable with whatever contract is offered.
Probably moving: ---Iris: when CJ's played him, he's been unimpressive, and they're really pushing sKyHigh. His salary probably commands more than he's worth right now. Plus, there'd be a lot of interest in what he could do for a team in need of a Terran that can perform and maybe mentor at the same time. ---Midas/Canata: SKT has no need of slumping or mediocre Terrans. They have Boxer, and they have Fantasy. There are other teams that might be interested for the same reason they'd want Iris. ---Calm: I don't think STX has bags of cash lying around. It's going to be hard for them to hold on to July, Hwasin and Calm all at the same time. I think Calm is going to scoff at whatever contract he's offered and test interest from other, richer teams looking for a solid performer in Proleague and even a dependable ace player. Calm's that guy.
Everyone else: ---Much: Much may ask for, pardon me, too much. He's still CJ's more distinguished Protoss, and someone you could count on in an ace situation. This one really depends on what Much thinks his chances are in the market, what CJ offers him, and how much stake they're putting in Movie. The answers, I think, are Much won't think he has much chance, CJ will offer him a contract worse than he wants, but he'll settle. ---SoO: Probably his best season, and he still isn't that good. He'll probably take what STX offers, but there are no guarantees given his GOM run. ---Rock: The hitch on the Rock is that he's going to be cheap. WeMade is probably looking to rebuild after an extremely disappointing season, and the Rock might be a casualty. If he goes on the market, he'll be picked up because he can perform, and mostly because he won't be expensive. ---NaDa: We all know of his impressive salary, and NaDa has star power, but he's having a rough time. It seems very difficult to predict what WeMade will do with their miserable squad, but if you have Mind and Baby, you probably don't need NaDa, and you probably need what you're paying him on a Zerg. Will someone pick him up? Probably. Will he play for them? Probably not. ---sAviOr: This is difficult to predict. It depends on what kind of cash CJ has on hand, and how much they're going to offer Iris and Much. My guess is that considering what sAviOr has done of late, they'll make a decent offer, and he'll probably accept. If he goes on the market, as stated before, KHAN will probably make the first, fastest, and biggest move. ---Yarnc: OGN loses a lot if they lose him. He's not quite carrying the team on his back, with Leta basically breaking everything in his path, but he's an integral part of the team. If OGN sees a lot of value in Zeus, Yarnc's offer will suffer. If that happens, he might end up at KHAN or SKT. My guess is Zeus is going to be cut loose, and Yarnc is going to win big with his contract. ---Saint: My fear is that Saint thinks a little too much of himself. He will probably be offered a very respectable and fair contract by MBC, which he would be wise to take. If he tests the waters outside of MBC's offer, he'll probably be picked up by SKT or KHAN if Calm, Yarnc, or sAviOr are unavailable. He'd go before Max or JiHyun, but I can't see teams fumbling over themselves to throw paper at Saint.
It'll be interesting to see if the players who haven't been doing well will leave their teams. As much as I'd be sad to see Iris/Midas go, it might be a good decision for them. Canata...I wouldn't miss him so much.
I don't think SKT will drop Midas/Canata, they have worse Terrans that didn't pan out (like Dove or Shudder). Plus with the return of Boxer, I believe Midas and Canata will both show better results.
Man i am so eager for this, although theres practically no chance of Bisu or Stork, or any other "loyal", long term proleague roster player leaving their teams like FBH or Luxury, it is still awesome that the scene wil be shaken up a little, maybe we will get some kickassery from potential S/A class players who are still in the closet because of not fitting with the people/training/practice partners of their old teams.
-By the way, assuming it's not copy pasted, that was an excellent post RamenStyle! -and i apologize for my crazy run-on sentence.
EDIT- Ramenstyle i was rereading your post and realized, if Khan tries to pick up Savior for a good zerg, won't that mean FBH and Savior living together, FBH isn't going to sleep at all!
I bet some huge cooperation will swoop in, buy all the players, and create the most epic imbalanced team known to man kind. It will be like ACE, but all the players dont suck yet.
On December 31 2008 23:25 ShaperofDreams wrote: Man i am so eager for this, although theres practically no chance of Bisu or Stork, or any other "loyal", long term proleague roster player leaving their teams like FBH or Luxury, it is still awesome that the scene wil be shaken up a little, maybe we will get some kickassery from potential S/A class players who are still in the closet because of not fitting with the people/training/practice partners of their old teams.
On December 31 2008 23:25 ShaperofDreams wrote: Man i am so eager for this, although theres practically no chance of Bisu or Stork, or any other "loyal", long term proleague roster player leaving their teams like FBH or Luxury, it is still awesome that the scene wil be shaken up a little, maybe we will get some kickassery from potential S/A class players who are still in the closet because of not fitting with the people/training/practice partners of their old teams.
On December 31 2008 23:25 ShaperofDreams wrote: Man i am so eager for this, although theres practically no chance of Bisu or Stork, or any other "loyal", long term proleague roster player leaving their teams like FBH or Luxury, it is still awesome that the scene wil be shaken up a little, maybe we will get some kickassery from potential S/A class players who are still in the closet because of not fitting with the people/training/practice partners of their old teams.
lol, bisu loyal?, lol
As far as I know Bisu did not want to leave the team.
On December 31 2008 23:25 ShaperofDreams wrote: Man i am so eager for this, although theres practically no chance of Bisu or Stork, or any other "loyal", long term proleague roster player leaving their teams like FBH or Luxury, it is still awesome that the scene wil be shaken up a little, maybe we will get some kickassery from potential S/A class players who are still in the closet because of not fitting with the people/training/practice partners of their old teams.
lol, bisu loyal?, lol
As far as I know Bisu did not want to leave the team.
I'm sure he thought of MBC the same way, but its certain that the richer teams will be shooting huge offers at him and it'll be hard to resist.
edit: oh you mean he didn't want to leave MBC when he was bought?
On December 31 2008 23:25 ShaperofDreams wrote: Man i am so eager for this, although theres practically no chance of Bisu or Stork, or any other "loyal", long term proleague roster player leaving their teams like FBH or Luxury, it is still awesome that the scene wil be shaken up a little, maybe we will get some kickassery from potential S/A class players who are still in the closet because of not fitting with the people/training/practice partners of their old teams.
lol, bisu loyal?, lol
As far as I know Bisu did not want to leave the team.
On December 31 2008 23:25 ShaperofDreams wrote: Man i am so eager for this, although theres practically no chance of Bisu or Stork, or any other "loyal", long term proleague roster player leaving their teams like FBH or Luxury, it is still awesome that the scene wil be shaken up a little, maybe we will get some kickassery from potential S/A class players who are still in the closet because of not fitting with the people/training/practice partners of their old teams.
lol, bisu loyal?, lol
As far as I know Bisu did not want to leave the team.
FBH should say where hes at, and I really dont think khan could pick up savior if they tried, not after that history. I think if there was a zerg that khan could pick up (assuming they have the money seeings as they have to pay for fbh and stork) i think it would be either calm or luxury, most likley the latter. I think luxury won't be as expensive, though he did win wcg, the Koreans don't actually hold that to to high a prestige, but hes a good zerg so i think his price may be higher than i would bet.
oh and the july thing was a joke, bc skt1 has so many damn individual league dominators, y not through july in the mix, thats 2 3 time champions, and a bonjwa under one roof, all different races lol. Somehow, that coach would still manage to fuck that up and make terrible calls (not knocking the players again, just the coach, they should be wining.)
KTF: Obviously, they need a protoss. Its too bad that all the good free-agent protoss are so important to their teams. Much is the only good protoss in Cj, stork and bisu rake in wins for their teams that they won't be allowed to leave, and everyone else sucks big time. (forgot free, but he isn't going to move)Poor KTF. CJentus: They're beyond hope. Develop within my friends. eSTRO: Free agency won't help these guys. Woongjin Stars: They need to snipe a terran with a 50% winrate. I don't see that happening. THe obvoius choices would be Midas/Canata but they suck so much now that it won't be worth it. Lecaf: No needs. Backho is a semi-decent protoss with a 50% win rate. Jaedong and forgg carry the zerg/terran department. MBC: No needs. THeir players just need to step it up. They can't afford to lose saint to free agency. OGN: They have so many meh protosss. THey're just a good protoss away from being #1. If they snipe either Bisu(year right) or Stork(not gonna happen), they'll win the proleague. Samsung: No needs. Great is really good.He just needs to step up. SkT1: SKt1 needs to snipe calm or july. If they offer enough cash, I'm sure stx can't afford to keep both. This is the move that has the most probability of happening. STX: STX has a great lineup. Thats why they have so many wins. WeMade: Yes, its a common theme. Wemade needs a zerg. Problem is that good zerg demand top dollar and wemade might not be able to pay. Also, wtf happened to pure? He needs to step up. He failed just when the golden age of protoss came. That is sad.
Pusan isnt even MBC captain anymore, this is for anyone who thinks it would take alot for Pusan to leave MBC:
On May 07 2007 02:34 thedeadhaji wrote: Update: Pusan agrees to stay with MBCgame for 50,000/year for one year. It has been confirmed that July has indeed asked for a waiver.
I have decided to make a "proper" (as WiP would call it) newspost about the imminent departure of Julyzerg and Pusan from MBCgame so that users do not have to dig through the threads to find the essential information.
Park Seung Jun, better known as MBC game's Julyzerg, has been put on waivers by his team. This means that all teams are free to bid for the God of War's services.
The problem arose due to July's expiring contract of approximately 140,000 USD/year. MBCgame proposed a paycut to their star zerg player, based on his poor results during the 2006 year. (As far as I can recall, he did not have any notable showings in either major league other than his 2nd place finish during 2005 Shinhan Bank Starleague)
Julyzerg was not pleased with this proposed paycut, (partially because MBCgame won the 2006 proleague grandfinals over SKT1) and thus asked the team to release him.
Although it is not determined whether SKT1 will be the team to pick him up, their deep pockets, the vacancy of Lim Yo Hwan's salary obligations, as well as their anemic zerg lineup would make the move a logical choice.
With a bevy of emerging stars on the team, MBCgame has decided that these two veterans were not worth their current salaries. Although these reports are not official, an official announcement is expected soon.
On May 07 2007 10:48 Red_Dragon wrote: More info on GG net. Here is copy paste. * all credit goes to Link.Enic
I don't know where someone heard the rumor that Pusan was leaving, but no. He's staying, and he's just finished negotiating with mbc hero. 50,000 dollar for a year.
July wanted 80,000 dollar for a year with no incentive, but MBC hero said no, they offered 65,00 dollar for a year with incentive.
After this, July officialy requested waiver. (Basically free for trade.)
This is Julys interview.
original text: fighterforum.com
You requested waiver yourself. ▶Yes. I did it myself. It makes both me and MBC game feel more comfortable, doesn't it. I hope this one works out well.
Negotiations didn't work out. Was there a difference in offering?
▶I can not understand why they're offering a lower pay when we won the proleague last season. I was very dissapointed when I heard what MBC was offering to me at first. I am a bit sad, but I don't have anything against MBC game.
I heard there were other problems besides the negotiation. ▶No. Our stance was just different.
What are your future plans? ▶I find to plan a team that needs me. I will try to see as many teams as possible. If they choose me, I'll try my best not to fail them.
SKT T1's not getting any decent zergs except Saint, and that's a bit iffy. STX Soul can empty their bank accounts for Calm and not worry about July, no way in hell will he agree to go to SKT T1. IMHO, I doubt this will change much in the standings, people just like their teams too much.
Stork - Dino Toss shouldn't be going anywhere. KHAN is happy with him, he is happy with KHAN. He's a member of the defending Proleague champs and the reigning OSL Champion. There isn't really much more that he could ask for.
Bisu - T1 would be foolish to let go of Bisu. With their slumping Zergs and their less-than-stellar Terran play, the combination of Bisu and BeSt allows them to stay competitive. Plus, SKTT1 has the money in the bank to keep him around.
free - free had the opportunity to leave Woongjin a while ago, and he didn't. With his team actually doing well now, and GGPlay's return, he really isn't going anywhere in my eyes. Maybe a team like KTF could buy him out, but it's unlikely.
Much - Much is probably the biggest Protoss name that's actually available. Although he's been with CJ for a while, he's slumping and CJ is content in developing the young Movie as his replacement. Rumors of him departing for the army are swirling around, but just like the Jets baited Brett Favre, obviously knowing he was worth a season, two at best, someone will take Park Yeong-min.
Pusan - Pusan is thriving now, and MBC isn't doing half bad. He might be lured away by a big payday, as MBC isn't well known for holding on to their players, so maybe someone like KTF could lure him away with a lavish contract.
Tester - He's not going anywhere. He's gearing up to retire, so he's better off finishing out with eSTRO.
TT - A week ago, I might've said someone picks him up as a budget guy to help sit the bench. He's low man on the totem pole at KHAN behind Stork and JangBi, and only usually sees action against ACE. But his recent loss convinced me that he shouldn't be going anywhere.
SoO - SoO has something to be on STX for even if he isn't playing. As one of two remaining players from the 2004 squad, and with STX playing this good, he probably won't go anywhere, even if to just live the dream.
Rock - Rock is (scarily) the best option WeMade has for Protoss right now, as Pure has been horrendous. Then again, Rock isn't the most desirable of Protoss players. Those two factors combined mean Rock probably won't go anywhere.
Zeus - He's not even a semi-decent player, so no team will really want him.
NaDa - NaDa isn't playing well lately, finally showing signs of aging. Could he be done now? Who knows, but no one can afford to find out.
Sea - Sea will never leave MBC. Flashback to when Bisu left, tears streaming down Yum Bo-sung's face. Sea will be a HERO as long as he plays.
Hwasin - The young man who came so close to a Proleague title back in with SoO has to have the image of Yooi, tears streaming down his face in 2004 after their defeat, burned into his memory. Now, as the captain of this young team with a lot of potential, even if he is slumping, he probably won't go anywhere.
firebathero - First of all, there is a perception that many teams think FBH is arrogant in his celebrations. This would be a first turn-off for many. Couple that with the fact that KHAN will want to keep their pelvic-thrustin' machine, and he's staying put.
Iris - I honestly don't think Iris is going anywhere. CJ's captain has been through a lot, and even if he isn't top dog in the Terran seat, he's still got a lot left to do.
Midas - If a Terran gets dumped off, it's most likely going to be Midas. As bad as he's playing right now (and it's bad), he's got talent and just needs to break his slump. With BoxeR returning to the active lineup and fantasy playing well, Midas is going to see a lot less play time.
Canata - His inadequacy saves him, actually. T1 won't be able to dump him off on anyone most likely, because he is a one trick pony. Maybe someone will take him as a specialist, but its highly unlikely with the way the game is going these days.
Luxury - Luxury just settled down into KTF and seems to like it. He also settled down into a rut. That and his high payroll make it unlikely that he's going to go anywhere.
sAviOr - People keep saying sAviOr's going to end up leaving CJ. He probably won't. CJ will work hard to keep him around as he's been essential to their success.
GGPlay - GGPlay already left Woongjin once, and the results weren't pretty. I hardly believe that he'll jump ships again, especially with how well he and Woongjin are playing. It'll take a high markup for him to go, or a quick drop by Woongjin.
July - Tushin has been on more teams in his career than Terrell Owens. Not really, but he bounces around. It seems as if he's finally found a home to settle down into in STX. Not to mention that he's slowly starting to fade. Beside, who can actually pick up his hefty tab? KTF doesn't need a Zerg.
Calm - STX's 2nd Zerg also looks pretty comfortable with STX, and they've placed their trust in him as well. He could be someone to get lured by the money, and there are teams that could pull him in. We'll have to wait and see on him.
YellOw[ArnC] - Yarnc is a hot commodity among this high powered class of Zergs. OGN isn't a team that looks like it can go the distance if one part cools off, and he's been working like crazy to keep them competitive. A team that has a better balance might be a great place for him to land, especially if he keeps up his level of play.
Saint - Saint has also been a big blip on the radar of a few teams. MBC isn't really a solid and consistent contender, and he could easily be bought up as MBC doesn't really make aggressive moves to hold onto their players (See: Bisu, July, Thezerg). Saint could easily land on another team that is looking for a talented starter.
JiHyun - TT's 2v2 partner, JiHyun is pretty much stuck at KHAN. On the upside, great may not hold out to be the best starter for KHAN and if they don't sign one of these guys, he could get a shot.
Max - Max is benched behind GGPlay and ZerO, meaning he won't see much action. His marquis matchup is an abysmal 38%, so he's got no shot at really going anywhere.
Potential Losses:sAviOr, Iris, Much Needs: There isn't much that CJ needs right now. Even if they lose one of those three, they have a solid or developing replacement in the wings to take over. Much seems to be the most likely to go, and they may want to pick up an experienced Protoss, but there aren't any that they'd be able to snag in the free agency. Best Fit: None
Potential Losses:Tester Needs:eSTRO needs a superstar to really gear them up. Right now, they consist of a bunch of mediocre players, no one person stands out. With Tester going, they might want to pick up a leading Protoss, but they've got two good ones in SangHo and NonY coming up. They should just focus on grooming someone like the young Really to develop into a possible star. Best Fit: None
Potential Losses:Luxury Needs:KTF needs one thing: a Protoss. They desperately need someone to fill that void, as their young guns just aren't developing. There's plenty of Protoss talent in this field, but not enough is going to move. KTF is going to have to go big on this one and chase down either one of the marquis players (Stork, Bisu, free) or they're going to have to settle for someone like Much or Pusan and hope their guys develop. Best Fit:Pusan - A replacement that won't break the bank, but will be competitive and around for more than a year or so.
Potential Losses: None Needs:Lecaf's strong race is Terran, where they have fOrGG, Lomo, HiyA and captain Dongrae. They're also fine at Zerg, where they can pitch out Jaedong every match. Their biggest hurting point is Protoss. They have the offensive GGer himself, FailHo, and that's it. BackHo is a decent option, but they've got no fallback if he slumps. Young hasn't proven himself useful yet and there really isn't much more there. With Anytime gone, they need to acquire someone to back up BackHo. Not necessarily a superstar, but someone solid. Best Fit:Much - A solid, second string/alternating starter to buy some time while they develop a younger player like InteR.Young
Potential Losses:Pusan, Sea, Saint Needs: Lets face it. MBC will NOT be able to secure all three of those players, and that's their bread and butter right there. They already lost Thezerg earlier this season, so they're shallow at Zerg, and odds are a team like KTF will be able to buy out Pusan, or someone snags Saint. The only guarantee they have is Sea's going nowhere. The problem is, I don't think they have the power to replace these guys. They might get stuck with someone like JiHyun. Best Fit: Keeping their guys - Otherwise, they won't have the power to lure some of these heavy hitters away
Potential Losses:Zeus, YellOw[ArnC] Needs:OGN needs depth to their lineup. They're also lacking a solid Protoss. With Leta and Yarnc carrying the team right now, they can't afford a departure of Yarnc without filling the gap or snagging a top-tier Protoss. They need a fix and a fix now, and they'll probably have to cut someone like Zeus loose to do it. Best Fit:Saint - Although it's improbable that they get him, he's a young Zerg who can help shoulder the load with Leta.
Potential Losses:Stork, TT, JiHyun, firebathero Needs:KHAN needs a solid Zerg. great doesn't seem like he has the moxie to cut it and they need someone they can rely on as a consistent starter. They're lucky in the fact that there's plenty of Young talent at the position. KHAN could easily snag a Yarnc or a Calm or a Saint if they so choose. Cutting JiHyun and TT loose wouldn't hurt the process, either. Best Fit:Calm - A solid young Zerg who can also step into the pressure of an ace game if need be.
Potential Losses:Bisu, Midas, Canata Needs: T1 needs a lot, really. They need a Zerg and a steadfast Terran wouldn't hurt either. Their Zerg department has been shaky at best and could use another addition - it seems that Thezerg didn't cut it. Their Terran lineup as well hasn't been all that great outside of fantasy. Dumping Canata and dishing Midas are two very likely things for T1, as well as picking up someone to bolster the once Terran powerhouse. Best Fit:Saint and Iris - Saint would be a great addition to their Zerg lineup and would provide a spark. Iris, although is unlikely to leave, could provide another option to go to in order to let the stress off of fantasy and BoxeR.
Potential Losses:SoO, Hwasin, July, Calm Needs:STX doesn't need much actually. Hwasin is slumping right now, but that's not a terrible problem. The biggest need will be a replacement for Calm, but they have a strong B-Team lineup ready for Action as well. Of course, securing Calm would be ideal, but it's highly unlikely that they'll be able to do that. Best Fit: None
Potential Losses:Rock, NaDa Needs: Another team that's in the market for a quality Zerg player, but they could use a Protoss while they're at it. Again, I don't see them snagging one of the big 3 Protoss on the bench, but they could be in the running for a Much or a Pusan. Honestly, there's no need to keep Caveman Toss around any longer, and disposing of him wouldn't be a bad idea. Best Fit:Much/Pusan or Saint/Calm - Pusan and Much would be great opportunities for improvement, while Saint or Calm would give them a reliable Zerg player for the time when RorO and keke stop winning.
Potential Losses:free, GGPlay, Max Needs: Woongjin is perhaps the one team in the market that is looking for a Terran and a Terran only. They need one desperately, as their best options right now are MVP or PianO. They're actually in luck because there should be a dumpoff sale by T1 and they should stumble into a Terran or two. Best Fit:Midas - A usually solid all around Terran who may need a change in scenery who can start automatically and fill in a gap.
On December 30 2008 13:05 Sunyveil wrote: YEAH THAT'S RIGHT WE AIN'T LOSING ANYONE, NOT JAEDONG, NOT FORGG, NOT HIYA, NOT LOMO, AND BEST OF ALL WE KEEP BACKHO
and we'll take free kthxbai
This post made me laugh for about 3 different reasons
On August 02 2009 15:54 Hot_Bid wrote: if Savior goes to SK Telecom, i will actually have to cheer against him if CJ plays T1
wow
As horrible as it sounds, on the off chance that he demands a lot of money or something, the Maestro just might be the biggest name on that list who is actually likely to move.... I can't see any of the other super big names on the list being let go - most are already making top player money and are earning their keep in the process.
On August 02 2009 15:54 Hot_Bid wrote: if Savior goes to SK Telecom, i will actually have to cheer against him if CJ plays T1
wow
Dont think so
Maestro will be kept in CJ as the "flag bearer", and no doubt he will become second coach sometime soon, and continue his career in gaming as main coach in future
On August 02 2009 15:54 Hot_Bid wrote: if Savior goes to SK Telecom, i will actually have to cheer against him if CJ plays T1
wow
As horrible as it sounds, on the off chance that he demands a lot of money or something, the Maestro just might be the biggest name on that list who is actually likely to move.... I can't see any of the other super big names on the list being let go - most are already making top player money and are earning their keep in the process.
If he's not earning his keep why would a team try to snag him? Maybe a change could inspire him like it did for July. MJY is over the hill though. He will probably stay on as CJ's old star until he retires or goes to ACE.
On August 02 2009 15:54 Hot_Bid wrote: if Savior goes to SK Telecom, i will actually have to cheer against him if CJ plays T1
wow
As horrible as it sounds, on the off chance that he demands a lot of money or something, the Maestro just might be the biggest name on that list who is actually likely to move.... I can't see any of the other super big names on the list being let go - most are already making top player money and are earning their keep in the process.
If he's not earning his keep why would a team try to snag him? Maybe a change could inspire him like it did for July. MJY is over the hill though. He will probably stay on as CJ's old star until he retires or goes to ACE.
I see CJ as less likely of a team to acquiesce to a player's demands just because he's a superstar in name, whereas some other team might want to take the gamble.
Honestly it might not be a bad idea for SKT1 to try to steal Savior - he's legitimately not worse than their Zergs and could be a great teacher as well. This would make me so sad though! Likely no big names go anywhere - it just doesn't feel like the kind of thing players would do.
On December 30 2008 13:05 Sunyveil wrote: YEAH THAT'S RIGHT WE AIN'T LOSING ANYONE, NOT JAEDONG, NOT FORGG PERFECTMAN, NOT HIYA, NOT LOMO, AND BEST OF ALL WE KEEP BACKHO
The question should be which players have a reason to look elsewhere:
SoO: Never plays, could look for an opportunity to make one last bang before retirement, but he is a veteran member of STX, so he could stay loyal and stand pat.
Midas: Also has seen a noticeable loss of pt since the start of this season of PL.
Luxury: His move to KT has been bittersweet - he got his MSL title, but he has sucked in just about everything else, in the end there seem to be more bad memories than good since the move, maybe he'll be looking to go back to SPARKYZ a la GGPlay's Stars -> CJ -> Stars transferring?
Rock: I dunno, this guy's personality just screams "Free Agent" to me.
Really, past that I don't see many players making a move. Who knows how much the $$$ will sway players' minds, but I have a feeling that for most of these players they don't have much reason to make a switch - most of them are the faces of their team or are tenured/respected veterans/captains (like Pusan/GGPlay/Much)
That's an interesting way of looking at it, but Midas and Rock have also both been experiencing some pretty bad results recently, so I'm not sure who would take them. I would think most teams have plenty of younger players with similar or greater skill.
Soo recently became the captain of STX, no? In that case he seems an unlikely candidate to make any kind of transfer. Luxury I could see, perhaps a change of environment would help him get his act together again. I'm sure teams still view him as a skilled veteran zerg, which some teams (SKT, eSTRO, Samsung in particular) could probably benefit a lot from.
If Flash went onto the open market right now, there's no telling what kind of money would be thrown at him. It's too bad he's probably too committed to FingerBoom to ever leave that team, even though it's probably terrible for his development as a player.
Ah I forgot SoO was appointed captain a couple of months ago, I thought July was still captain. That definitely changes things.
I really think Midas could be headed elsewhere - until this year he was still regularly making it into the OSL despite not playing in PL, and he narrowly missed qualifying out of the last OSL prelims. I don't know if it's just his awkward personality but it just feels like he doesn't fit into SKT's plans, and he really could do some good for himself and another team with a change of scenery. I'd put him and Luxury as my two picks to switch teams.
I'd like to see Savior leaving CJ and start fresh in a team that gives him more playtime. Look at July, completely crushed by the SKT1 structure, then he felt free in STX and he felt he actually had things to teach to the guys there.
Savior in a smaller structure could help him start it all over ? I'd like that to be honest.
July's situation when he was on SK T1 is really nothing like sAviOr's right now. sAviOr has spent his entire career with CJ, whereas July was traded to SK T1, and put under immense pressure to perform.
His situation really is more akin to NaDa, who saw Mind step up as the terran to take the majority of the PL load on his shoulders, just like EffOrt/Kwanro have. NaDa's role has worked out very well imo, and I'd love to see sAviOr take that kind of a role on CJ.
Looking at that list, the only likely good players that may change address are the terrans.
I'm curious to see what Samsung does. I can't imagine Stork leaving given his history with the team. Otherwise, I can't imagine the team spending big bucks either. They always build from within. So I think it's unlikely they'll try to nab a top player. But if they do, I'm personally hoping for a good terran like Hwasin or Canata. Right now they only have Miracle as a terran to count on, given that FBH has been sucking for a long time now.
I wish Flash was eligible and got picked up by a good team. So young, limitless potential...imagine if he transferred to OZ. Flash would get to cultivate his TvZ with Jaedong, and Jaedong's already amazing ZvT would get even better.
On August 02 2009 18:52 baubo wrote: Looking at that list, the only likely good players that may change address are the terrans.
I'm curious to see what Samsung does. I can't imagine Stork leaving given his history with the team. Otherwise, I can't imagine the team spending big bucks either. They always build from within. So I think it's unlikely they'll try to nab a top player. But if they do, I'm personally hoping for a good terran like Hwasin or Canata. Right now they only have Miracle as a terran to count on, given that FBH has been sucking for a long time now.
According to Sea, stork did almost transfer to KTF but Samsung just unloaded huge amounts of money.
As for my FingerBoom........... Well gee to be totally honest I really wouldn't mind Flash leaving for a better team lol.
On August 02 2009 18:52 baubo wrote: Looking at that list, the only likely good players that may change address are the terrans.
I'm curious to see what Samsung does. I can't imagine Stork leaving given his history with the team. Otherwise, I can't imagine the team spending big bucks either. They always build from within. So I think it's unlikely they'll try to nab a top player. But if they do, I'm personally hoping for a good terran like Hwasin or Canata. Right now they only have Miracle as a terran to count on, given that FBH has been sucking for a long time now.
According to Sea, stork did almost transfer to KTF but Samsung just unloaded huge amounts of money.
Really? Glad that didn't happen. It would suck having to switch teams just because my favorite player left. But I guess that confirmed my suspicions that despite having the backing of the biggest company in Korea, Khan actually doesn't have much money to spend.
As for my FingerBoom........... Well gee to be totally honest I really wouldn't mind Flash leaving for a better team lol.
Considering how much they're willing to spend, I think KT can get back if they only overhaul their system a little. Their record seems to be much worse than their talent should suggest. I think they just get out-coached and/or out-prepared.
Can you imagine the humiliation Samsung would face if their best players were bought by any team though?
Who knows if Stork really wanted to leave. I would probably attempt it myself, knowing full well that probably nothing would happen. Just a good way to get the cheapskates to pay up.
Funny how Midas was SKT1's ace last season, hes a player I think will return to form, it looked like he just needed rest to regain composure. Hes still a beast in all match ups, though watching him push in TvP is sometimes infuriating, unless you like watching snails cross the road.
If i were flash, i'll leave FINGERBOOM right now Edit: Is this free agent list changed since 9 months, and can somebody update the list if its changed?
he is getting good money there and potentially they are a top3 team. Flash, ForGG, Luxury, Violet is a really strong lineup, they just have to play well.
On August 03 2009 05:44 imperator-xy wrote: why should Flash leave KT?
he is getting good money there and potentially they are a top3 team. Flash, ForGG, Luxury, Violet is a really strong lineup, they just have to play well.
would you really want to be in a team called Fingerboom
as I recall the process is very heavily weighted towards the team that currently owns the player. It discourages transfers short of ridiculous amounts of money.
JD is the only 1 we think hes worth the change,he should join SKT
He should, either to SKT1 or CJ, he cant improve or whatsoever with inconsistent teammates as training partner.
I don't like this kind of argument at all... There are a lot other factors than training partners for a successful player. A player wouldn't just move to a team just to be surrounded with better players. Also, S class progamers doesn't always have to be the best training partners, I doubt you have any idea what the rest of Oz does in practise.
It would be terrible if Jaedong just sucked on SKT1. SKT1 would then just give up training zergs and auction off teh spot to the highest bidder on ICCUP.
Perfectman has potential, he needs experience only, JD is fine as zerg, Backho is ok, Hiya is eeww.. so OZ definitely needs a decent terran and they are set. Flash would be the ideal.
SKT needs a zerg but not JD...that would fuck up the whole BW world and there would be no point doing another proleague. July would be a good choice.
Jaedong to CJ? That would be the most imba team ever. Training everyday with Effort, arguably the 2nd best zerg right now? Jaedong and Effort would become monsters and just destroy everyone.
On August 09 2009 03:55 valaki wrote: SKT needs a zerg but not JD...that would fuck up the whole BW world and there would be no point doing another proleague. July would be a good choice.
Uh, July was on SKT for awhile until for whatever reason, they split. Probably the fit between him and the team was poor.
I believe! He would be the perfect pick IMO. He has shown the potential to go far but always fallen short, but SKT has a tendency to resolve that problem in players (don't tell Fantasy!) and SKT really needs a good zerg which they can put their faith in.
On August 09 2009 04:29 sGa.Mac wrote: I'm tired of hear everyone saying how many potential PerfectMan has... He just won a goddamit game, with amazing micro, but nothing else!
Yea, all the herb, PerfectMan, etc threads and posts are getting so annoying. I don't get why people like to bandwagon that shit so much. :/
Honestly, I'd be surprised if anyone moved around. For some reason, I just feel that everyone wants to stick with their teammates (unless they have some internal troubles).
On August 09 2009 06:46 BanZu wrote: Honestly, I'd be surprised if anyone moved around. For some reason, I just feel that everyone wants to stick with their teammates (unless they have some internal troubles).
On August 09 2009 04:29 sGa.Mac wrote: I'm tired of hear everyone saying how many potential PerfectMan has... He just won a goddamit game, with amazing micro, but nothing else!
Yea, all the herb, PerfectMan, etc threads and posts are getting so annoying. I don't get why people like to bandwagon that shit so much. :/
Honestly, I'd be surprised if anyone moved around. For some reason, I just feel that everyone wants to stick with their teammates (unless they have some internal troubles).
fingerboom and skt are the richest teams, they might be able to pick up a few players from the poorer teams
i think canata might move as well, he's probably unhappy about how little he is used in PL
maybe ktf will get bisu? violet started playing badly after his short winning streak
On August 09 2009 07:27 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: i really want sea to transfer to T1 to reunite with his old coach but i fear he is too loyal
Why would you want this dude? Unless he makes a sick comeback he'll be on the bench every game. It's pretty clear Canata is much better than him at the moment.
I think Jaedong should jump ship to KTF(Boom). They're one of the richer teams and can afford him. He would team up with Flash (the other over-worked, one-man-team superstar), so that they can rely on each other and not get overworked. And then we would have some epic Pro League battles between SKT and KTF. Imagine some combination of Flash/Jaedong vs Fantasy/Bisu in ace and super-ace match-ups. That would be awesome.
Yarnc could move since hite has type b and hogil to back him up. Sea could definitely move since Light has been their ace this season and Sea has been horrible lately. Midas has been on T1 for a long time but he's been on the B team this year so he could leave. Pusan barely plays for MBC anymore. Doubt GGPlay July or Luxury will transfer teams again. Calm is the future of STX and they would be crazy not to resign him.
On August 09 2009 11:32 RainmanMP wrote: Yarnc could move since hite has type b and hogil to back him up. Sea could definitely move since Light has been their ace this season and Sea has been horrible lately. Midas has been on T1 for a long time but he's been on the B team this year so he could leave. Pusan barely plays for MBC anymore. Doubt GGPlay July or Luxury will transfer teams again. Calm is the future of STX and they would be crazy not to resign him.
It seems T1's coach says they'regoing to buy a top zerg player to round out its lineup. Looks like free agency is only going to further the disparity between the rich and the poor.
On August 09 2009 11:32 RainmanMP wrote: Yarnc could move since hite has type b and hogil to back him up. Sea could definitely move since Light has been their ace this season and Sea has been horrible lately. Midas has been on T1 for a long time but he's been on the B team this year so he could leave. Pusan barely plays for MBC anymore. Doubt GGPlay July or Luxury will transfer teams again. Calm is the future of STX and they would be crazy not to resign him.
On August 09 2009 11:48 baubo wrote: It seems T1's coach says they'regoing to buy a top zerg player to round out its lineup. Looks like free agency is only going to further the disparity between the rich and the poor.
On December 30 2008 11:25 sqwert wrote: savior will transfer to khan and start raping everyone again and hell be with FBH. "keep ur friends close and ur enemies closer" or something like that.
On August 09 2009 11:48 baubo wrote: It seems T1's coach says they'regoing to buy a top zerg player to round out its lineup. Looks like free agency is only going to further the disparity between the rich and the poor.
Whoa, what's your source?
Saw it on wfbrood while trying to watch the finals VODs. It's a Chinese website, so they're not really big on "sources". Which is why I only said "seems" in my statement rather than being absolutely sure.
But to be quite honest, this really is pretty much expected. Next year T1 will have no competition in the proleagues, since they'd likely get their zerg from STX or CJ and weaken their lineups considerably.
On August 09 2009 11:48 baubo wrote: It seems T1's coach says they'regoing to buy a top zerg player to round out its lineup. Looks like free agency is only going to further the disparity between the rich and the poor.
Hwasin on woongjin sounds pretty decent. It sounds like a downgrade for him but I think he'd fit. If free and zero play consistently and they pick up Hwasin they can have a nice lineup. I think Wemade would like a nice zerg and Calm would fit that perfectly. They have some decent players already so maybe bringing in a fresh face can help turn things around. Yarnc to MBC or T1 (ideally T1) would be great. He has been performing quite well and taking the place as T1s zerg would be great. His brother is on KT fingerboom (lol still funny) so it would be fitting that he is picked up by the rivaling team.
On August 09 2009 11:48 baubo wrote: It seems T1's coach says they'regoing to buy a top zerg player to round out its lineup. Looks like free agency is only going to further the disparity between the rich and the poor.
Whoa, what's your source?
Saw it on wfbrood while trying to watch the finals VODs. It's a Chinese website, so they're not really big on "sources". Which is why I only said "seems" in my statement rather than being absolutely sure.
But to be quite honest, this really is pretty much expected. Next year T1 will have no competition in the proleagues, since they'd likely get their zerg from STX or CJ and weaken their lineups considerably.
True, it really is expected. It's just a lot more significant coming form the horse's mouth.
On August 09 2009 12:33 gokai wrote: Man, nobody better accept an offer from KTF. That's were top players go to slump. Must be the air there or something.
Negotiation with current team will take place on August 12th through 20th. Other teams excluding current team will place bids between August 21st through 25th. Re-negotiation with current team will be from August 28th through 31st.
Negotiation with current team will take place on August 12th through 20th. Other teams excluding current team will place bids between August 21st through 25th. Re-negotiation with current team will be from August 28th through 31st.
On August 10 2009 12:34 skindzer wrote: What/Who determines who gets FA? I suppose players have to pay their team to be free?
IIRC the factors are #1) you have to meet the minimum requirement for length of time playing and #2) have to play in a certain % of your team's Proleague games during that time (1v1 or 2v2 both count).
I guess technically he's still under contract with KT, as evidenced by his sporting their uni during eStars.
Here's the bit describing what makes a player eligible for FA, from the Korean News Flash article that was all about it last year:
On November 19 2008 08:57 LosingID8 wrote: Rules and details of free agency are now clearly written in the 41st section of the e-Sports Official Rules. Starting in 2009, progamers who have been active since March 22nd 2006 and played in at least 15% of team games will be the first players to receive the free agent status.
On August 10 2009 12:18 Cadical wrote: Negotiation with current team will take place on August 12th through 20th. Other teams excluding current team will place bids between August 21st through 25th. Re-negotiation with current team will be from August 28th through 31st.
I wonder if there's any advantage in negotiations for the original team. Or is this a pure free market where players have 100% freedom in choosing their teams.
Personally, I just wish Samsung can retain Stork/Jangbi. It would be awesome if they can get solid terran like Sea or Light though.
I can't believe I'm saying it but after all these years I think it's finally time for NaDa to shake things up and join another team. I have always been an avid supporter of Toona/Pantech/WeMade but he needs some new practice partners and a new atmosphere maybe. I know it's a hell of a longshot that he would be let go at this point but still.
I'd like to see him go to Samsung Khan or CJ Entus(Entus more for opportunities rather than me being a fan). Khan would provide him with some fantastic Protoss training partners and give Khan a boost to its terrible terrans.
But realistically he's probably going to retire soon at this rate and maybe it would be better for him to stay with his team through the end.
Either way I'm happy XD. But, I would like to see some things shaken up. I'm sort of sick of how stagnant the teams seem in terms of rosters.
Yarnc is the obvious choice for SKT, I think. He should be much cheaper than JD (even if he wins the OSL, unless it's in a really ridiculous, flagrantly bm ceremony where he makes JD/fantasy look like a fastest comp stomp player), and SKT's current weakness is their v T - the elo of Fantasy and Bisu might say otherwise, both are great v Z and v P , but have definite moments of weakness in vT.
Right now if they face Flash or CJ(any team with top class tvt and tvp), they wouldn't have an ideal player for the ace match, Fantasy got torn apart by Flash their last game, and Iris/Skyhigh would laugh at Fantasy, basically, while Bisu wouldn't be as sure as you would want. Yarnc's top class zvz would hopefully be able to help hyuk/thezerg as well.
FBH or go.go going to stars would benefit both parties, I think.
It's kind of funny that most of the things said in the first post are still true despite it being so long ago.
(Although fingerboom's main problem is no longer protoss, it's now getting consistent players of any race besides Flash + Violet).
Are stork/jangbi ever likely to split apart? I could see another team in theory luring one of them away for some reason, but not both. January might be willing to throw them overboard as well based on the rumors towards the end of R5. I think Jangbi would benefit from a different environment, as I think it's clear that while he has the potential to go much further, it isn't manifesting itself on khan and he's been sort of stagnant recently.
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Whatever the number is, I'm sure SKT would try to top it. I doubt it matters, Jaedong IS Hwaseung OZ, and for him to jump ship for the team he just lost to would seem completely out of character. I'm sure he wants to beat SKT next Proleague, and we all know revenge is something you can't put a price tag on.
heh, I just realized the negociation system for this Free Agency is basically the same as the NFL's restricted free agency period. Only difference being teams that lose their top players through this get no compensation in the form of high draft picks in the next draft T-T. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer - that is if players are actually willing to switch teams for the extra cash.
Hwaseung may be willing to spend more on Jaedong as they've even used him with their shoe advertisements, so there's so brand association.
But if I were a player, I'd take money over any sentimental attachment to my team. I suppose if it was due to my team's training and nurturing that I became super skilled, I may feel some obligation, but other than that, not my problem. Teams look after themselves, players look after themselves.
It'd be crazy to see Jaedong on SKT1, though. I'm actually not looking forward to it. You might as well declare proleague over, Jaedong/Fantasy/Bisu would will 3 games on most nights, and on the nights one of the loses, Canata/Best can back things up. If this really comes to pass, salary caps/penalties need to come into play.
On August 11 2009 17:52 Zona wrote: Hwaseung may be willing to spend more on Jaedong as they've even used him with their shoe advertisements, so there's so brand association.
But if I were a player, I'd take money over any sentimental attachment to my team. I suppose if it was due to my team's training and nurturing that I became super skilled, I may feel some obligation, but other than that, not my problem. Teams look after themselves, players look after themselves.
It'd be crazy to see Jaedong on SKT1, though. I'm actually not looking forward to it. You might as well declare proleague over, Jaedong/Fantasy/Bisu would will 3 games on most nights, and on the nights one of the loses, Canata/Best can back things up. If this really comes to pass, salary caps/penalties need to come into play.
I can just imagine how cool a JD/Fantasy/Bisu line-up would be.
imho none of these best players will switch teams. Every team knows that if they want to do anything, they need to have atleast 1 extremely good player. Jaedong proved that this season, and I believe that OZ will do everything just to keep him while SKT doesn't really need him. They would be stronger with him but they can probably buy 2-3 good players for Jaedong price.
If Jaedong switches teams, he might start sucking like 90% of all the other players who switched teams. Even Bisu was bad for a while after he went to SKT1.
On August 11 2009 18:27 Sentenal wrote: If Jaedong switches teams, he might start sucking like 90% of all the other players who switched teams. Even Bisu was bad for a while after he went to SKT1.
Bisu was slumping before he left MBC.. and slumped for another ~4-5 months after coming to SKT before turning on the switch last October when ClubDay + GOM S2 started.
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Anyway, the more I think about it (and seeing you guys debate it), I think SKT is probably gonna get Yarnc. I'd say the second/third most probable would be either Saint or calm. I don't think they would go with an unproven zerg (as we all know how those turn out....). Saint would probably be a preferable choice since he has ties with Coach Park, Bisu, and thezerg from MBC. Yarnc is the most probably though I think... but I wouldn't be surprised with one of the other two.
On August 11 2009 18:01 bLah. wrote: imho none of these best players will switch teams. Every team knows that if they want to do anything, they need to have atleast 1 extremely good player. Jaedong proved that this season, and I believe that OZ will do everything just to keep him while SKT doesn't really need him. They would be stronger with him but they can probably buy 2-3 good players for Jaedong price.
In the end, money talks. Apparently, SK and KT has much more of it than anyone else.
On August 11 2009 18:43 ArvickHero wrote: If SKT gets Saint, everyone's going to say that MBC is SKT's farm/bitch, something of the sort
You mean they aren't ALREADY SK's farm team? SKT1 only has their entire coaching staff and their best player. And this is even excluding July.
On August 03 2009 06:08 Hyperionnn wrote: Forgg-Lux - They always slump and i really like forgg Violet - He started to suck ass after his good streak
Basically FINGERBOOM wont probably reach playoffs next year.
What? he lost a bo3 to effort and a game to jaedong and then stoped playing lol? Edit: only a couple will move imo, but jaedong/bisu will get a BIG payrise
Negotiation with current team will take place on August 12th through 20th. Other teams excluding current team will place bids between August 21st through 25th. Re-negotiation with current team will be from August 28th through 31st.
Whaaaaaat!? So many of the free agents are the aces of their respective team! CJ is the only team without their #1 or #2 best player on the free agency list. Insaaaane.
Negotiation with current team will take place on August 12th through 20th. Other teams excluding current team will place bids between August 21st through 25th. Re-negotiation with current team will be from August 28th through 31st.
Whaaaaaat!? All the free agents are basically the aces of their respective team! CJ is the only team without their #1 or #2 on the free agency list. Insaaaane.
even so I doubt any of these top player will switch teams. It will be fun to shake things up thou
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