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When, Where, What and How
This tournament will take place on the 26th of December at 2:00pm EST. That is the 27th of December 4am KST or the 26th of December at 8:00pm CET. Everyone will meet on iCCup at this time in channel Xmas 2v2. A member of the TL staff will be there to oversee proceedings and hopefully make everything run smoothly as possible.
The tournament will be a single elimination tournament, with each round being Best of 3. Each round will have a predetermined fixed map list. The winning team will be awarded $50 via pokerstars/pay pal.
How to sign up
Signing up for this tournament is easy! Simply send a PM to Plexa with the following information;
Team Name:
Player 1:
TL:
iCCup:
Player 2:
TL:
iCCup:
Please include your TL account along with your iCCup account. Here is an example of what your pm should look like;
Team Name: [Hindsight]20/20
Player 1:
TL: ekii
iCCup: ekii_is_cool
Player 2:
TL: DeadVessel
iCCup: [z-zone]triad
Signups will close at 2pm EST on the 25th December (thats 4am KST on the 26th). Some late registrations will be allowed after this time to fluff out the bracket to avoid byes, but spaces cannot be guaranteed after this time. Everyone who signs up by 2pm on the 25th will have a reserved spot for them.
Rules
1) No team may double race, unless that race is random (i.e. no ZZ, TT, PP teams)
2)
i) Teams may switch one of their players for a substitute in the event of lag or that their partner must leave for something.
ii) There is a maximum of one substitute per team
iii) A substitute cannot be a member of another registered team
iv) Substitutes do not need to be pre-registered
v) A substitute may only play for one team
vi) To switch your player for a substitute you must alert the staff-member to the switch
3)
i) In the event of severe lag a substitute for the lagger must be found
ii) If the lagger cannot find a substitute the series will be forfeited
iii) If a lagger cannot be isolated then another method will be worked out on the day
4) All replays must be saved by the winners. Once the winners lose they should pm their replays to Plexa so a tournament replay pack can be collated and released
5) Lan Latency is not compulsory, but is highly recommended, and should be used whenever latency permits.
6) Anti-hack is mandatory
7) Observers are permitted on agreement between teams
8) If you are late to your match, every 10 minutes you are late results in a one game loss. That means if you are 20mins late you forfeit the series.
9) Don't be a jerk; anyone caught being a jerk will have a severe punishment
Maplist
You can download the map pack here
Who's signed up?
The Silver Horde
featuring; Liquid`Daaman and cDsuede
The Fakesteve Fan Club
featuring; -orb- and Haemonculus
WhoTookOurSkills
feauting, dunne_bo and hevzs2om
Cold in Canada
featuring; Tynuji and Tensai176
Team Cousins
featuring; Xeris and Khaled-El-Amin
WE ARE PIRATES
featuring; Cube and Kazokun
Yoonho Saints
featuring; Slynki-Lzuruha and Kye
Team Rocket
featuring; Shauni and Get.Balta
Killjoy
featuring; Prince18 and Fishbone
Slynki Saints
featuring; FyRe_DragOn and YoonHo
Planet Express
featuring; city42 and Lz
Team Ghoflar
featuring; Sigrun and ghoflz
IF IT AINT DUTCH IT AINT MUCH
featuring; Nyovne and Twisted
Best Second
featuring; FaCE_1 and darkemperor
BoB
featuring; gheddo and browny
We atleast got here!
featuring; RoSe. and GliNtStyLe
MooMoo
featuring; huameng and naonao
YOU FACE WHY?
featuring; Hypnosis and Sanity
Care
featuring; Joppe and Gigaudas
KoD
featuring; Axslav and Minimum
WOMBO COMBO!!
featuring; GTR-2-Go and ilovezil
prOxiTeam
featuring; born-to-porn and prOxi.Jarc
The Fighting Mongooses
featuring; Oshibori_probe and zXk3
DUKE DUKE MUTHAFUCKA
featuring; Empyrean and unsoundlogic
How can she slap?
featuring; Fontong and Sunyveil
Carefree Us
featuring; Carefree Me and Jon K
reebo
featuring; RaGe and intrigue
4-Gate and Proxy-Pool
featuring; Ideas and hasuprotoss
Team Hap's Mom
featuring; Tenryu[LighT] and Sun[LighT]
starcraft is hard
featuring; Nye and sslazio77
Zerg_Bunker
featuring; Ginseng and Patrio
XTR
featuring; zaiko and no_el
b-headers
featuring; xiaofan and Zalfor
Team Brave
featuring; petzergling and Voxyn
team compLexity
featuring; slugw0r7h and pimptoss
NOM NOM NOM
featuring; RAITHED and DRONE
Nerds R Us
featuring; crazie-penguin and Pink_popo
Nausea & Shudder
featuring; losso and iMp-RushHour
WestYanLand
featuring; westside1 and fosc.Yan
"Undefeated"
featuring; MasterOfChaos and hyulik
You better run
featuring; kAra and GLC.Kenzo
Syndicate Gaming
featuring; InsaneRabbi and B-Roll
Im Leevin FOO!
featuring; I_am_Faronel and SerpentZFang
Gosus in the Playground
featuring; Zakama and LeperKahn
Team Dilly Wonka
featuring; Rotodyne and WhatIsaZerg
SuperCuteLittlePonies
featuring; petrucci and prosikito
SC Gangsta!
featuring; iEzPk and NFL_Jets
eStro
featuring; Jathin and littlechava
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Some notes about Empathy from the author, Nightmarjoo;
Empathy is a shared-mains 2v2 map. While playable in melee mode, you can only best play the map in ums mode where you can decide which team you are on (the first team being the southern base, second being the northern (player 1 is bottom left, 2 is bottom right, 3 is top left, 4 is top right, always)). While not having anything drastically different from any normal map, it should play quite differently at the same time.
In your mains you share a total of three geysers with your ally (unless you're playing in melee, in which case you might be sharing three geysers with your opponent, yikes!), which gives you the option of divvying up the geysers however which way you want, should it be one player with 2 and the other 1 geyser, or even give all three geysers to one player if you should so desire.
You have 10 mineral blocks total, however one block has only 244 minerals.
Outside of your main you have a min only, which zergs may choose to take with their 2nd hatch if they feel they and their partner can defend it. 7 additional blocks can be a nice way to go into the game, though it lacks a tight choke.
From your main on the sides are two ramps. One is small like that of 815, and the other is normal sized by is blocked by 4 0-value mineral blocks. If you follow the lowground path to your enemy, your 815 ramp leads to his mineral blocked ramp, and your mineral blocked ramp to his 815 ramp. Near you along the mineral blocked path is an 8 mineral gas expo which has a cliff behind it. It is near both a large ramp leading from the middle and your mineral blocked ramp, which if you choose to mine out can make it easy to defend this base, however it will be harassable from the cliff behind it. The 8 mineral gas expo along the 815 ramp is somewhat safer, with no cliff, but it will be harder to get your large units to it as they must head through the middle first (or maybe glitch them down the ramp).
In the very center is an expo reminiscent of the Andromeda center expo. Plenty of building space on both sides of it, along with 2 geysers and 12 total minerals allows players to choose whether one player takes all, or if allies share it; and as the only 4th source of gas and 5th of minerals in the map along with its amount of resources, it is precious, and yet it can be quite vulnerable even for the leading team. This expo may force some king of the hill type play.
All in all, the map emphasizes using multiple paths and stresses mobility. It's easy to attack throughout the map, and hard to defend, great teamwork is required to best use the map's features.
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PLEASE DON'T HATE ME TOO MUCH, IT WAS ALL PLEXA'S IDEA I SWEAR
The map seemed fun from the games I played on it. Just a tip: Arb-rush with ally going 2gate zlot vs 2rax mnm and 2hatch muta/ling doesn't work, in case the triple geyser makes you think arb rush too 
lol @ rule number 9. I hope no one is caught breaking that offense.
edit: Hm I'd reccomend thinking of the map kind of like a 2v2 HitchHiker with a more important middle.
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lookin sweet : )
a cast would make it uber awesome
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Love the maps, looking forward to this.
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a cast would be fantastic indeed kara!
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Great idea. I like the map, but i would had put a normal ramp instead of the 815 ramp. And how about reversing the side louground to high ground? too crazy?
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imagine all the worker harass you have to go through if you end up next to an opponent... It must kinda favor T
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Empathy must be played on the UMS setting, NOT melee/tvb etc
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thedeadhaji
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On December 21 2008 20:25 Nightmarjoo wrote:
PLEASE DON'T HATE ME TOO MUCH, IT WAS ALL PLEXA'S IDEA I SWEAR
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I HAD NOTHING TO Do WITH IT EITHER, IT WAS ALL PLEXAS IDEA I SWEAR!!
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Melbourne5338 Posts
if i had something to do with it, i would've asked for an island map.
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You know, I ALWAYS wondered why this idea of UMS 2v2 maps was never popular. Blizzard actually made their own team maps with fixed positions, too.It just befuddles me that it didn't really cross anyones minds to use in a league or something to make team play a little more exciting.
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yayyyyy
you should make lan latency mandatory tho ;P
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Oooo... I really wanna try some practice games on Empathy!
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This looks fun, I'll ask my partner if he wants to sign up,
but those maps....
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Update: four teams have signed up! Check the op to see who they are.
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Plexa, we are confirmed and ready to rock the tourney!
GL HF~ we suck at 2v2 btw ;D
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Really psyched for this, 2v2 really is a lost art. GL all teams!
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er wat if my partner doesn't have TL or ICCup account?
also wat if I don't have an ICCup account?
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On December 22 2008 05:27 R3condite wrote:
er wat if my partner doesn't have TL or ICCup account?
also wat if I don't have an ICCup account?
just make an iccup account...;D
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can I sign up a team? I don't think they have TL accounts O_O! ~
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
i suppose so Xeris 
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Oh man empathy looks fun, now all I need is a partner. XD
Is there a thread where you can looks for a partner or smth?
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I need a partner but I'm not that good all I can reach was D+ TT
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Anyone wanna practice on empathy? Come to OP IRC!!! =)
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I actually like the maps... 
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Empathy looks very nice!
fontong lets be partnerssss'
i want to play empathy.
edit: oh hmm.. the date for the tournament could get messy for me..
better leave me out T_T
is there a "maybe" section ^^
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Empathy looks really, really cool. I wonder if I can convince KwarK to 2v2 with me again.
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It sucks that I will be busy that day =[
Gl teams!
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O wtf fakesteve fanclub? Can we be the tasteless fan club?? -.-;
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curious as to how good the players signing up for this tourney are gona be. I'd be interested in just grabbing anyone just to play and have fun, but if everyones really good and we'll just get smoked hard 0-2 by some 400apm iccup masters, then i prob won't bother
obviously i'd have no intention of winning the tourney, but at least playing som fun games would be... fun.
and a little blast from the past, anyone remember the TYSON crew 2v2 team ? or the oooold monster 2v2 tournament sc.org had setup that never got completed ?
ahh old days ^^
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Dude my team sucks. Just looking to have fun.
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I'd like a 2v2 partner... PM. I'm a zerg main
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do planes have wireless? xD
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Damn, I might need a partner if my friends dont' have time for this.
Edit: Anyone willing to do the 2v2 tourney with me? I'm a T user :o!
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we're just about up to 16 teams!
On December 22 2008 11:02 Disarray wrote:
curious as to how good the players signing up for this tourney are gona be. I'd be interested in just grabbing anyone just to play and have fun, but if everyones really good and we'll just get smoked hard 0-2 by some 400apm iccup masters, then i prob won't bother
obviously i'd have no intention of winning the tourney, but at least playing som fun games would be... fun.
and a little blast from the past, anyone remember the TYSON crew 2v2 team ? or the oooold monster 2v2 tournament sc.org had setup that never got completed ?
ahh old days ^^
This is a 100% fun tourny and in 2v2 anything can happen haha =]
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i wish all games were played on empathy xD
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On December 22 2008 17:31 Raithed wrote:
i wish all games were played on empathy xD
me too
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On December 22 2008 15:32 Plexa wrote:we're just about up to 16 teams! Show nested quote +On December 22 2008 11:02 Disarray wrote:
curious as to how good the players signing up for this tourney are gona be. I'd be interested in just grabbing anyone just to play and have fun, but if everyones really good and we'll just get smoked hard 0-2 by some 400apm iccup masters, then i prob won't bother
obviously i'd have no intention of winning the tourney, but at least playing som fun games would be... fun.
and a little blast from the past, anyone remember the TYSON crew 2v2 team ? or the oooold monster 2v2 tournament sc.org had setup that never got completed ?
ahh old days ^^ This is a 100% fun tourny and in 2v2 anything can happen haha =]
Is there a max number of teams allowed?
What will happen if there are an odd number of teams?
Is the map list in order of when they will be played (I hope so, I want to play on empathy without having to get far in the tourny :D )
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Empathy will be used in every round, so dont worry
If there is an odd number of teams there will (unfortunately) have to be byes which sucks =[
Once we pass 16 teams then itll be a an epic mission getting to 32, i'm pretty sure we'll be getting byes if we get to that stage
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I have played a few games on Empathy, and let me tell you, the games are nuts. 2v2 on crack.
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I'm at my fucking cousins this day, I was about to own this up with my bro
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kazokun you can upload replays here if you want, I'd like to see them
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thedeadhaji
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lol i loled @ the dutch team~~
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whats the purpose of rule 1 ? is it imba with double races?
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ZZ is imba, it just sounds better saying no double races than no ZZ I guess.
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Just a suggestion for the Empathy map:
You might want to space the geysers out a little bit from each other. Me and a friend were playing around on it last night in some 2v2's and when you have all 3 geysers taken, every now and then a probe/scv will pop out of the wrong side and have to run all the way around.
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if anny one wanna participate with me.. I was D+ last season in 2v .. so i suck :D but will be fun
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Hahaha I am loving this Empathy map so far. Hilarious games so far ^.^
Fear my tripple gas steal!!
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thedeadhaji
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On December 23 2008 02:48 Haemonculus wrote:
Just a suggestion for the Empathy map:
You might want to space the geysers out a little bit from each other. Me and a friend were playing around on it last night in some 2v2's and when you have all 3 geysers taken, every now and then a probe/scv will pop out of the wrong side and have to run all the way around.
ah sounds like we need a patch!
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On December 23 2008 05:44 Haemonculus wrote:
Hahaha I am loving this Empathy map so far. Hilarious games so far ^.^
Fear my tripple gas steal!!
It helped us more than it hurt us!
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On December 23 2008 12:46 kazokun wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2008 05:44 Haemonculus wrote:
Hahaha I am loving this Empathy map so far. Hilarious games so far ^.^
Fear my tripple gas steal!! It helped us more than it hurt us!
NUH UH
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On December 23 2008 13:32 Haemonculus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2008 12:46 kazokun wrote:On December 23 2008 05:44 Haemonculus wrote:
Hahaha I am loving this Empathy map so far. Hilarious games so far ^.^
Fear my tripple gas steal!! It helped us more than it hurt us! NUH UH
lol, you let them finish.
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o_o can i play? my team is too controversial tho
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Up to 19 teams now!!
Will check out the empathy bug
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On December 23 2008 00:58 Nightmarjoo wrote:kazokun you can upload replays here if you want, I'd like to see them
Uploading as we speak.
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Awesome, thanks!
While I'm spreading the gas out, any other little things you guys have noticed that I should fix? Or anything need tweaking etc? If it feels awkward in the slightest, there's a good chance it's my fault, so speak up!
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On December 23 2008 14:52 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Awesome, thanks!
While I'm spreading the gas out, any other little things you guys have noticed that I should fix? Or anything need tweaking etc? If it feels awkward in the slightest, there's a good chance it's my fault, so speak up!
This map is great as it is. I have noticed some trends in the way the map plays out.
1) Nobody takes the min only in front of the main
2) All the ramps mean you have to push on all sides in order to avoid a flank.
3) 10 and 4 ezez to take and hold
4) the miniramp allows you to hold position an offensive zealot on it to prevent the expos, though.
5) You can also mass units below the ramp while doing the zealot trick and nobody will know until it's too late
6) Gas steals suck in this map, it's easy (if you have a zerg on your team) to just let the zerg sit without gas in the early game and let the terran take the unstollen gases to tech up.
7) Terrans should tech up asap
8) the middle expo is relatively easy to take.
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i will declare myself as the substitute for team maphack. even if they don't agree that i am...too bad! he he he =]
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wait for me plexa!! im looking for a partner XD, in a few hours i`ll join the tourney (if i cant get a partner, i`ll got 2 pcs and two accounts for play) great idea for xmas lazy week!!
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thedeadhaji
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haha metal do you want to team with me in this? even though i havent touched bw in 3 months now~
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On December 23 2008 13:43 kazokun wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2008 13:32 Haemonculus wrote:On December 23 2008 12:46 kazokun wrote:On December 23 2008 05:44 Haemonculus wrote:
Hahaha I am loving this Empathy map so far. Hilarious games so far ^.^
Fear my tripple gas steal!! It helped us more than it hurt us! NUH UH lol, you let them finish.
And it struck fear into your hearts didn't it!
(LOL replays are being uploaded, let it be known that we were fucking around a good bit of those 3 games o.o;; )
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On December 21 2008 22:45 thedeadhaji wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2008 20:25 Nightmarjoo wrote:
PLEASE DON'T HATE ME TOO MUCH, IT WAS ALL PLEXA'S IDEA I SWEAR
. I HAD NOTHING TO Do WITH IT EITHER, IT WAS ALL PLEXAS IDEA I SWEAR!!
2008-12-20 16:03:28 Joel to Kristoffer Elmqvist: talking to plexa atm
2008-12-20 16:03:40 Joel to Kristoffer Elmqvist: according to him thedeadhaji dislikes your map
2008-12-20 16:03:50 Joel to Kristoffer Elmqvist: and they're having me edit the andromeda version of my map atm
2008-12-20 16:04:15 Joel to Kristoffer Elmqvist: and they seemed to prefer mine over the twilight map seal made
busted!
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LOL msn conversations are obviously confidential!
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On December 23 2008 13:43 kazokun wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2008 13:32 Haemonculus wrote:On December 23 2008 12:46 kazokun wrote:On December 23 2008 05:44 Haemonculus wrote:
Hahaha I am loving this Empathy map so far. Hilarious games so far ^.^
Fear my tripple gas steal!! It helped us more than it hurt us! NUH UH lol, you let them finish.
Lol of course I let them finish!
It was hilarious you had no gas for quite a while and I had that gas in your base to scout with for a long time.
lolz no one saw that coming, what kind of crazy person would take ALL THREE LOL!
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Still need a partner for this , anyone willing to team with a terrible T player? haha
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On December 24 2008 04:28 Ginseng wrote:Still need a partner for this , anyone willing to team with a terrible T player? haha
If you can help me get on to iccup, I always play on hamachi (terrible zerg
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On December 24 2008 05:05 Ginseng wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 04:44 Patrio wrote:On December 24 2008 04:28 Ginseng wrote:Still need a partner for this , anyone willing to team with a terrible T player? haha If you can help me get on to iccup, I always play on hamachi (terrible zerg To revert back to 1.15.3: http://www.iccup.com/files/view/Patcher7x_1.16.0_01.html
I have 1.15.3, but the problem is my router, it doesnt open the gateways I need to not lag on iccup.. And I dont know how to do it
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I'd like to take part but I have no partner
I'm an averege zerg...someone please?
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16987 Posts
D-U-K-E WHO THE FUCK YOU COME TO SEE DUKE DUKE MUTHAFUCKAAAAA DUKE DUKE MUTHAFUCKAAAA
Empyrean/unsoundlogic pro BME-econ/stats-bio team!
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its enough majors to make one's head asplode!
mwtp/naonao ur going down~~~
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FAKESTEVE FANCLUB FIGHTING.
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T_T we didn't agree on that! I wanted to be the tasteless fanclub.... but orb sent in the sign up message lol
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unsoundlogic is on two teams?
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16987 Posts
Wait, what?
TRAITOR
(probably a miscommunication or something)
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Melbourne5338 Posts
On December 24 2008 14:31 Hot_Bid wrote:
unsoundlogic is on two teams?
what a whore
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
manual copy/paste error!
my bad
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Belgium9947 Posts
Team name: reebo
Player 1:
TL: RaGe
iCCup: TSL-RaGe
Player 1:
TL: intrigue
iCCup: junebug
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Ok guys I watched the replays just now. I have to say, I'm really excited for the tournament, because those three games alone were awesome/epic/amazing etc. I did note the gas bug, which appears to only happen to protoss for some reason. I assume I can easily fix it by spreading the geysers, but I'll test it to to make sure it doesn't create some different gas bug lol.
Also, I noticed/realized there's no real ovy spot except maybe the temple wall shit by the 815 ramp gas expo. Do you want a real one? Outside the main choke? Would that be too tight and hurt making/fighting contains too much? I could try and place it closer to the min only to make it a little safer maybe, thoughts on that?
On December 23 2008 15:05 kazokun wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2008 14:52 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Awesome, thanks!
While I'm spreading the gas out, any other little things you guys have noticed that I should fix? Or anything need tweaking etc? If it feels awkward in the slightest, there's a good chance it's my fault, so speak up! This map is great as it is. I have noticed some trends in the way the map plays out. 1) Nobody takes the min only in front of the main 2) All the ramps mean you have to push on all sides in order to avoid a flank. 3) 10 and 4 ezez to take and hold 4) the miniramp allows you to hold position an offensive zealot on it to prevent the expos, though. 5) You can also mass units below the ramp while doing the zealot trick and nobody will know until it's too late 6) Gas steals suck in this map, it's easy (if you have a zerg on your team) to just let the zerg sit without gas in the early game and let the terran take the unstollen gases to tech up. 7) Terrans should tech up asap 8) the middle expo is relatively easy to take.
Interesting and thanks for your input, but I'm not sure I can "fix" any of those, and in some case nor would I want to because it's part of the concept.
But anyway, anything you specifically want changed or fixed? I want to do this in one big edit ._.
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Hey good to see you noticed the gas bug nmj, that was really annoying me during the games.
Lol first game we didn't even know there was an 815 ramp into the bases, we thought there was only the mineral blocked ramp.
In any case, I think personally you should add a couple more minerals onto the mineral ramp. The one on destination takes a long time to mine out, but this one seems like it only has like 4 mineral blocks on it, which takes almost no time to mine out.
One thing that might want changing is the chokes. Maybe you wanted it this way, but walling off is pretty challenging (maybe we just didn't spend enough time experimenting). It looks like one rax walls perfectly, but it doesn't, and it's hard to place a depot+rax to get them to wall it off. Maybe you didn't want us to be able to wall of tho, who knows.
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Yeah it has 4 blocks. I kind of feel that it's better for it to be easy to mine. Means if you need to mine out your own in an emergency, that's not a problem. Means it's possible to mine out your opponent's block even if he is watching/guarding it. The advantage to having more are that it isn't a free exit as soon as you need it, have to wait to mine it out. I kind of prefer it be useable offensibly rather than only an escape route path, I think more is just going to limit it. The point is to make it something to worry about, and how you can choose if you want to use your own path, or to watch/guard it, etc.
1rax isn't ling tight? I kind of like it that way actually. I assume it's worker/zlot-tight though? I guess I ought to test it ~~
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On December 25 2008 01:11 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Yeah it has 4 blocks. I kind of feel that it's better for it to be easy to mine. Means if you need to mine out your own in an emergency, that's not a problem. Means it's possible to mine out your opponent's block even if he is watching/guarding it. The advantage to having more are that it isn't a free exit as soon as you need it, have to wait to mine it out. I kind of prefer it be useable offensibly rather than only an escape route path, I think more is just going to limit it. The point is to make it something to worry about, and how you can choose if you want to use your own path, or to watch/guard it, etc.
1rax isn't ling tight? I kind of like it that way actually. I assume it's worker/zlot-tight though? I guess I ought to test it ~~
Nope. One rax will definitely let workers through on the bottom. Not sure about the top spawn. We actually played around a good bit and had a really hard time finding ways to make a secure wall.
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On December 24 2008 19:37 Nightmarjoo wrote:Ok guys I watched the replays just now. I have to say, I'm really excited for the tournament, because those three games alone were awesome/epic/amazing etc. I did note the gas bug, which appears to only happen to protoss for some reason. I assume I can easily fix it by spreading the geysers, but I'll test it to to make sure it doesn't create some different gas bug lol. Also, I noticed/realized there's no real ovy spot except maybe the temple wall shit by the 815 ramp gas expo. Do you want a real one? Outside the main choke? Would that be too tight and hurt making/fighting contains too much? I could try and place it closer to the min only to make it a little safer maybe, thoughts on that? Show nested quote +On December 23 2008 15:05 kazokun wrote:On December 23 2008 14:52 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Awesome, thanks!
While I'm spreading the gas out, any other little things you guys have noticed that I should fix? Or anything need tweaking etc? If it feels awkward in the slightest, there's a good chance it's my fault, so speak up! This map is great as it is. I have noticed some trends in the way the map plays out. 1) Nobody takes the min only in front of the main 2) All the ramps mean you have to push on all sides in order to avoid a flank. 3) 10 and 4 ezez to take and hold 4) the miniramp allows you to hold position an offensive zealot on it to prevent the expos, though. 5) You can also mass units below the ramp while doing the zealot trick and nobody will know until it's too late 6) Gas steals suck in this map, it's easy (if you have a zerg on your team) to just let the zerg sit without gas in the early game and let the terran take the unstollen gases to tech up. 7) Terrans should tech up asap 8) the middle expo is relatively easy to take. Interesting and thanks for your input, but I'm not sure I can "fix" any of those, and in some case nor would I want to because it's part of the concept. But anyway, anything you specifically want changed or fixed? I want to do this in one big edit ._.
Oh those things are just things I noticed during the game. I'm not calling for a fix anywhere on the map. I'm gonna call for keeping the mins on the ramp the way they are because they allow for early movement and also because adding more rounds to the mining will only benefit the enemy and in effect, make it even more of a counter-clockwise moving game (top goes left, bottom goes right).
About an ovie spot, I would actually prefer if there weren't any, For some reason, even while the middle is pretty wide open compared to the sides it still feels cramped, and adding some temple walls or whatever might even make it feel annoying. The map, omitting the gas problem, is fine. Fixed starting positions (due to it being ums) are fine too. It allows you to choose who on your team is gonna start on which side, and that's good for different playing styles.
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On December 25 2008 01:11 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Yeah it has 4 blocks. I kind of feel that it's better for it to be easy to mine. Means if you need to mine out your own in an emergency, that's not a problem. Means it's possible to mine out your opponent's block even if he is watching/guarding it. The advantage to having more are that it isn't a free exit as soon as you need it, have to wait to mine it out. I kind of prefer it be useable offensibly rather than only an escape route path, I think more is just going to limit it. The point is to make it something to worry about, and how you can choose if you want to use your own path, or to watch/guard it, etc.
1rax isn't ling tight? I kind of like it that way actually. I assume it's worker/zlot-tight though? I guess I ought to test it ~~
Makes sense, I guess it's nicer to allow some more cheese play with those mineral blocks.
And no, even workers/zealots can get through with one rax, making it kind of dumb to wall it off :\
I remember in one of the games they walled with a rax and my probe went right through and stole the gasses (lol)
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I'm surprised you didn't know about the gas bug...it's happened before in FPME
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lol I've never been much of a fastest player. And I suspected it might happen, but was hoping it wouldn't lol. Thought it's funny that it ostensibly only happens to protoss.
And ok kazokun, no ovy spot.
Thanks for all your input guys, I basically expected gameplay to turn out the way it did in those three reps, but couldn't be sure before-hand lol. I have 0 experience in making 2v2 maps, let alone shared-main maps, so all your feedback (and games!) are really helping out a lot.
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team compLexity
TL- slugw0r7h
iccup: wallbang
TL- pimptoss
iccup : clutch
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On December 24 2008 17:32 pachi wrote:what a whore
My good name is dishonored But they will seee.....they will alll seee....
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
Some of those team names are epic - (especially) looking forward to this seen as there's no 2v2 in the Korean leagues any more.
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Practicing for 2v2 is pretty fun...
"Shit we are getting owned by comps..."
"Lol this build needs a revision."
"Maybe we should just 4 pool and proxy 8/8 gate on this map..."
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There should be coverage of all the games haha
I still haven't played a single 2v2 game yet...or SC in weeks. I need to get on that.
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this gonna be great!!! i send you the registration just a few hours ago =)
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I think this is gonna go over 32 teams pretty comfortably, no way it gets to 64 though.
Lots of byes :O
And if anyone wants to get some games in before the tournament, you can probably find my partner and myself in op irc for the next few hours
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damnit, guess i dont have a partner. forget it im out of this one haha. LOOKING FORWARD FOR EPIC GAMES.
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I'll be your partner if you can come up with a really good team name. I can play z or p ok, but have little 2v2 experience at all and it's all on gaia/python/luna/faoi. I've played the maps in this tournament maybe once or twice ever and never watched 2v2 vods. I got to c- 2v2 once playing only python/faoi with a friend who was like a- 2v2.
I have ok micro/macro and that's it. I'm a warm body/set of hands/keyboard etc. And maybe I can think hard of strategies to hardcore abuse on Empathy.
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I still don't have a partner
if anyone is still interested last minute and needs a zerg, post here or pm me~
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yey, I'm with raithed = ]
gl hf to all!
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FUCK YEAH, OUR NAMES ARE CAPPED.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
signups close in 4 hours!!
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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I'm about to send a last minute signup!
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Signups are over!
Post with all details/draw etc will be posted soon enough!
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if that spot is still left:
Team Name: eStro
Player 1:
TL: Jathin
ICC: VampireWeekend
Player 2:
TL: littlechava
ICC: RocketRaccoon
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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im rooting for super cute littler ponies
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Hahah can't wait!!
Team names all own.
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w00t Axlav + minimum Hope u guys are as good in SC as u are in WC3. So far I see Daaman + Suede winning this Go swedes!
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Sweden1225 Posts
On December 26 2008 19:20 Tomalak wrote:w00t Axlav + minimum Hope u guys are as good in SC as u are in WC3. So far I see Daaman + Suede winning this Go swedes!
Yes! go us ~
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On December 26 2008 19:20 Tomalak wrote:w00t Axlav + minimum Hope u guys are as good in SC as u are in WC3. So far I see Daaman + Suede winning this Go swedes!
I remember them watching a 2v2 in WC3 between them and FiveStar and Michael (?), damn that was instense.
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OH MAN ITS MY BIRTHDAY I HAVE BIRTHDAY LUCK YOU'RE ALL GOIN DOWN!!
P.S. BAM
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Wait so the finals are going to be live broadcast right?
It'd be really cool if more like the ro8 or at least ro4 was broadcast; I'd like to see some more live 2v2 games now that proleague stopped having them
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5pool5pool5pool5pool
i will make a blog glorifying anyteam that double 5 pools every single game they play in.
edit: must be zr or rr, if u dont end up as double z thats ok
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but double z 5 pool is so bad -.-. It can be fun to go 5 pool + fast dt pz vs tp, but doesn't always work (aka vs a good opponent's team )
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On December 26 2008 20:50 GTR-2-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2008 19:20 Tomalak wrote:w00t Axlav + minimum Hope u guys are as good in SC as u are in WC3. So far I see Daaman + Suede winning this Go swedes! I remember them watching a 2v2 in WC3 between them and FiveStar and Michael (?), damn that was instense.
Could be Axlav always provides fun and enjoyable games with his randomness.
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When will brackets be released? Soon i hope!
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they've been released for a while
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United States12607 Posts
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Does anyone know what the link for the broadcast is going to be?
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I'm pretty sure this one won't be live broadcasted. Instead, replays will be saved and uploaded to TL. Perhaps someone can commentate afterwards.
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Sweden33719 Posts
Awww lost 1-2 to the LighT guys in the semis
Good job intrigue, was fun playing :D
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United States12607 Posts
On December 27 2008 04:35 EscPlan9 wrote:
I'm pretty sure this one won't be live broadcasted. Instead, replays will be saved and uploaded to TL. Perhaps someone can commentate afterwards.
Yeah, apparently the "ON AIR" notifier to the right there just means the tournament is running right now, not that there's a stream somewhere.
I'd sure like to see the finals casted, if possible! Does anyone know who the other finalists are (WestYanLand)?
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On December 27 2008 08:37 jwd241224 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2008 04:35 EscPlan9 wrote:
I'm pretty sure this one won't be live broadcasted. Instead, replays will be saved and uploaded to TL. Perhaps someone can commentate afterwards. Yeah, apparently the "ON AIR" notifier to the right there just means the tournament is running right now, not that there's a stream somewhere. I'd sure like to see the finals casted, if possible! Does anyone know who the other finalists are (WestYanLand)?
team hap's mom
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Washington, D.C9933 Posts
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who didn't know that yans team would win? lol I think they should of been required no gathering for first 30 seconds
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On December 27 2008 19:10 GearitUP wrote:
who didn't know that yans team would win? lol I think they should of been required no gathering for first 30 seconds
It is not all Yan, Westside and Yan are both top players. (Westside is his partner on iCCup too)
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