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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-07 20:26:48
November 07 2008 03:14 GMT
#1
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The Bonjwa That Almost Was...


"He who blinded by ambition, raises himself to a position whence he cannot mount higher, must thereafter fall with the greatest loss."- Niccolo Machiavelli


A Familiar Scene

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Consistency is the sanctuary I seek...


"Plagguuuu!", the all-too familiar cry of the MBCGame commentators rings throughout the hall.. (T)Flash's science vessels have just been destroyed, and he quickly leaves the game. He leaves the booth with a disheartened expression, and the no-name zerg to which he conceded leaves his with a look of complete mirth. How could it be that a player such as him, who came so close to the title of "Bonjwa", could fall so hard, so fast, and so many times. This wasn't his first slump; ever since that damn loss to (Z)Luxury in the EVER 2008 OSL, things just haven't been the same.

One minute you're on top of the world, and in the next you feel like Atlas. His play-style shows the inconsistent emotion of a teen going through puberty; those delicate years in which your self-esteem is affected at the slightest event. Like I said, one win and you feel like the champion of the universe, and all it takes is one loss to bring you down to rock bottom. I know how (T)Flash feels, I'm a teenager too. The invisible audience haunts me at every corner, my ego is either too large or too small. I just haven't had the time to discover my own emotional balance. Could one imagine discovering such a complexity, with as much pressure places upon you as is placed upon Lee Young Ho?

Pressure is the enemy that divides the strong from the weak. It is ones ability to act cool under fire that makes someone truly great. It's that consistent temperament that seems to conflict so naturally with the raging hormones of adolescence. How can our little monster fare? The better of the two Lee Young Ho's (Sorry Lucifer...) had fought this enemy his fair amount of times. Can he win? Will he win? Or will it defeat him again and again.

One thing is certain.

This "Ultimate Weapon" has not been living up to his own potential. Before you prepare your argument against my "Anti-Flash Propaganda", realize the point of my statements. I will say it now, and I will only say it once. Flash is the best StarCraft player in the world. But he's like me. He's a teenager in a big world, trying to figure out his place in this big mess. This is merely the story of a teenager, much like myself. Trying to find his place in the world, and overwhelmed by what he sees as the great achievements and failures of his lifetime. His little world amplified sevenfold, and his every action scrutinized by fans and media the pressure is enormous. What human being could live up to this, much less such a little monster?

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When you feel the weight of the world on your shoulders, how can you be the best at anything?


Growing Up

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"One day, I'm gonna be the best, and you'll all remember my name."


Flash burst onto the StarCraft scene as a young Terran player known for his cheesy builds and cute micro. While he was no top-5 material, he went 39-24 in his first year of professional StarCraft. Not too shabby, for a rookie. Flash did well; garnering love for his obvious skill, and hatred for what was perceived as his unfair play.

Flash showed enormous potential, being only 15 years old, and even more amazingly he had only played StarCraft for 3 years. He earned the title "Little Monster", and amazed his teammates. Within the walls of KTF, it was thought for sure that he would be the next big thing. And they were right.

Flash demonstrated the perfect balance between macro and micro, and the incredible timing sense that was necessary to be a StarCraft champion. While Flash is lauded more for his macro now, and his pioneering of many macro heavy TvP builds (and infamous attachment to the 14cc build), many forget how incredible his micro is. Every unit moves exactly where he wants it to, while he flawlessly streams units from all of his production centers.

But Flash was written off as just another lucky rookie, who would get lucky and disappear. We've seen many of those (BackHO comes to mind), but many people insisted that Flash would be a different story. There was a definite potential in his play, while it may have certainly been the play of a rookie, it was not the play of fortuna. As Machiavelli would say, virtue is far more valuable than fortuna, and Flash had plenty of virtue regardless of naysayers claims.

His elimination of Bisu and great games against GGPlay and others put him in the spotlight as one of those players you look for in the next season. Who just seemed as if they would be a household name among fans of the game. While other players walked away with the titles, Flash looked as though he was going to soon be able to live up to his true potential. (Leta and Thezerg remind me of Flash in this stage).

The young man couldn't wait to show his true stuff. Of course, the players on KTF knew what he was capable of. They took a fondness of the young player, and set about to reinvent him. To create a little monster. The results would be the same as the last "ultimate weapon" in history. Utter destruction.

+ Show Spoiler +
by.Flash: A Young Genius at Work



These games demonstrate Flash's brilliant micro, and ability to execute risky builds flawlessly. The latter two more so than the first, which shows true balance between macro and micro, resulting in a great TvZ.


The Creation of an Ultimate Weapon

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Who thought that one day he would hold his dreams in his own hands?


Bacchus OSL. GOMtv Star Invitational. Seemingly in a day, Lee Young Ho turned his play-style around and became more than anyone expected.
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsDSMKny-7o
Surprise. Flash just killed the best player in the world in a straight-up game. The only thing he needed was his own genius.

Flash destroyed everyone in the OSL and GSI, convincingly and unexpectedly. He demonstrated not only his micro intensive builds from the season before, but his new skill in macro builds. His fast double armory and risky FE becoming staples of Terran play within weeks.

As a first-time watcher of StarCraft during the GSI, he never seemed to amaze me. His incredible comeback v.s sAviOr in the group phase, where he demonstrated the power of SK Terran and his own incredible micro, melting sAviOr's expansions like candlewax. his games were truly impressive, and he shut down opponents that no one thought he could beat in a million years. Destroying Jaedong with beautiful micro and highly agressive early game play, destroying Anytime, and narrowly beating out the best PvT in the world with an unstoppable TvP build proved that he was a serious contender.

Flash prison raped Stork, the best PvT in the world in the Bacchus OSL,a nd beat him convincingly in GSI, earning the Bird Toss two silvers, and flash a place in the hearts of fans across the globe. This is the kid that won two golds in one season, in more than convincing fashion. Is this your new bonjwa? Perhaps. He had all the elements of a true great. Not only were his mechanics flawless, but so were his game sense, and his psychological warfare. It didn't seem unlikely that he could perhaps command a real army to victory. People wanted to know where this genius came from, and it was only fitting that the GSI, the first officially english casted Korean tournament, was his introduction to the S-Class stage.

But one was always reminded the he was just a child. Could someone so young dominate so much? Could the new BoxeR be almost half his age? It seemed impossible, that a 15 year old high school kid, having played the game for only 3 years was suddenly the best in the world. There were certainly skeptics, for the most part those who didn't like his early style. But he proved them wrong again and again.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNff93znz18
If you want to see TvP, this is it. Flash heaped on the early tank pressure, forcing Stork into reverting to his standard PvT build. Safe, but unable to keep up with Flash's intense builds and play. In the end, Stork was raped, and he rode Flash's bus all the way to the end of the finals.


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Damn it feels good to be a gangster.


It was clear that something was going to be stirred up in the world of StarCraft by this young one. People already thought he was going to be the next Bonjwa, forgetting the delicate nature of his age. And as peoples opinions of the player rose, so did their expectations. With rising expectations comes rising pressure.

KTF had found its new pride. The days of Hong Jin Ho, Kang Min, and Park Jung Suk were over. Lee Young Ho was the new star, the ace in the hole. The Magicians put their hopes in him, and it seemed he would not disappoint. He did incredibly well in the individual leagues, and just as well in proleague. However they had to act delicately, don't put too much on his plate, he's just a boy. How much can he chew? It didn't seem like it would be a problem, because he didn't just chew his enemies, he swallowed them whole.

Invincible?


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Winning is like breathing for a baller like me.


The 2008 Summer Season Flash immediately exploded onto the scene, raping everyone left and right. He did it in every tournament, the level of his play on par with oov in his prime. In the eyes of his fans, he was invincible, and this was precisely the stone that tripped him on his path to becoming the greatest. While his utter dominance earned him the #1 spot in Kespa and the highest TvP record of all time, it wouldn't last.

I don't have to post his stats. I don't have to show you his games. There is no insightful analysis, except this. Flash is simply amazing. His timing was perfect, his macro was perfect, his micro was perfect, and his decisions were perfect. He caught the world off guard, and he changed the meta-game. There is no secret to his play. He won through pure skill and perfect mechanics. You were there, you saw the games. You know the utter annihilation of which I speak. This wasn't Flash. This was a weapon of mass destruction.

Flash took the matchup of TvP, and took it into a whole other dimension. Every noob on iccup was copying his brilliant fast armory build, and his gosu goliath play struck such fear into the hearts of protoss that carriers nearly disappeared from play. His vultures seemed just a bit faster than the other player's were and his marines seemed to shoot just a bit further.

If there was any ability Flash was known for then, it was his ingenious metal build (again the double-armory goliath, basically destroying every light tech Protoss), and his incredible sense of timing. He was able to take an expansion at the perfect time, like oov, and attack when he had exactly the right amount of units to do so. His scouting was supernatural, leading him to making timing decisions based on more information than his own supply count, which is a fairly common and useful way to do a timing push. His eyes and units were all over the opponent, and while his style was not ultra aggressive like Iris or NaDa, but rather his mental game was incredibly aggressive.

Flash made sure that every opportunity to gain a small advantage he took, and he rode his momentum not only to victory but complete rape. If he won the first game in a series, it wasn't long before he left his opponent questioning their own ability to play the game. He was an intimidating figure, and at only 15 years old, it must have felt amazing and extraordinary to be the one and only bane of protoss players everywhere. It seemed that no protoss could even give him a run for his money, much less challenge him. After his complete rape of Stork in the Bacchus OSL, the best PvT player in the world, what Protoss could seriously feel confident in playing this monster?

But it wasn't just TvP that Flash dominated in. TvT and TvZ were by no means weak. His micro ability was very vast, and as such he could use the powerful SK Terran build with ease. Almost no Terran could challenge Flash at this time and come out on top. Only one player posed a serious threat to Flash during this phase, and it's too bad that by the time they met this phase was done. You'd think it would take an army to stop this monster.

But all it took was one match...

I'm just a kid

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No one ever told me it would be this hard...


I can imagine myself in his place. Losing a series to a zerg no one thought would beat you in a million years. Losing the next few proleague matches after that, I just don't feel like the same player. Surely it can't be bad luck. There must be something wrong with me.

How am I supposed to go to High School while I do all this? I'm expected to win this OSL and this MSL? I can't practice for all this, I don't have enough time. I don't even know who I am. I'm just a kid, and now I'm scared. This fame and power, it came too quickly. Now I don't know what to do when I don't live up to the expectations of my fans. I just need experience. Is that the problem? Is it puberty?

It isn't a scenario that has been ignored by anyone. The field of psychology dedicates an entire field, solely to development. The change of a psyche over time captures the interest of many professionals, many of whom have studied situations much like Flash's. The downfall of child actors, young musicians, trust fund kids, and many others in comparable environments have been analyzed through and through by developmental psychologists.

Erik Erikson, world reknowned developmental psychologist describes the teenage years as a stage of Identity v.s Role Confusion. The teenager tries to establish himself a role or identity in terms of society. Flash had been established, in an alarmingly short period of time as the best player in the world. However, according to Erikson, role-confusion occurs when that identity is proven false in some situation. His loss to Luxury and ForGG, his streak of bad luck in Proleague, is exactly that confusing situation which seems to the very identity he had established for himself.

One may think that such a simple situation could not cause such a downward spiral, and a long standing period of inconsistent play. Let's look at yet another profession beyond psychology. Politics.

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Recognize this guy?


President-Elect Barack Hussein Obama, is entering the office in January with unprecedented high expectations. This can only set him up for dissapointment. No President has ever left office with the same approval ratings he had when entering. The leader of any state must face the demons of dissapointment, that he or she cannot satisfy the needs of the state that they lead. How they deal with this reality is telling.

Barack Obama has the cool temperament necessary to understand this. But does Flash? Certainly, he doesn't have the emotional stability of a 47 year old senator, but Flash seems pretty cool-headed for his age. Is it enough?

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Do I have the extraordinary maturity that I need?


Focused on the stress of highschool, family, friends, girls, and trying to find his niche in the social structure, how can Lee Young Ho confront the demons of his loss? It all seems to blend together for the lad, it seems overwhelming. Isn't this what I have been told I was the greatest at? I was the hope of my team, and I let them down. I let myself down. I let the fans down. How can I win with this shattered confidence? With this shattered dream...

What's the cause, exactly?


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Erikson would say "Role Confusion".


Or what is holding him back? Is it too much on his plate to eat? Maybe, he is still a young boy after all, inexperienced and unused to such pressures in life. You can blame Luxury for starting the chain reaction, the coaches for overworking him, or puberty for confusing him and amplifying the stress of being a progamer.

Anyone who looks back upon their teenage days can remember that sense of confusion that Flash may feel. Psychologists describe teenagers as experiencing the "invisible audience", a conviction that every action is judged by those around them, amplifying their self-consciousness to extreme ends. One slip-up seems like an incredible failure, and a simple win seems like a championship title. Self-consciousness cannot exist in the world of a successful progamer. Confidence must overrule completely, mistakes must be educational nor heartbreaking. That kind of cool temperament is easier talked about then had. It is not the temperament of the young.

StarCraft is the game of the youth, but one will note those players who are incredibly young experience an alarming rate of inconsistency. (Flash, inter.Mind, Sea[shield], and now even Jaedong) Whatever caused it, one thing is painfully clear. This is no "Ultimate Weapon". This is just a kid. A kid who feels the stress of Atlas, the stages of Erikson, Kohlberg, and Piaget in all the wrong ways. A kid who just dreamed of being the best, and now must face his failure to become what he wanted to be.

Don't get me wrong. Flash is still a very good player. Even now, he went on a five game win streak after his embarrassing loss to GGPlay in the OSL, and at the time of writing this he is tied for top 1v1 in PL. Flash is again showing the monstrosity he is capable of demonstrating. One must ask, however, how long will it last? Even now, the game is still not living up to the potential of the player. Those in charge of him need to learn why. Stress of time or stress of life, it must be eliminated.

Flash is the best player in the world.

So why isn't he acting like it?

+ Show Spoiler +
Thank you DJ (twoeightsix) for the incredible banner. The fading is a pretentious visual metaphor for Mister Lee Young Ho's ever fading dominance.
Thank you also to my friend Richard for giving me some good ideas for this article.
Thanks to Flash for being the reason I play Terran.
RIP Aaliyah
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
November 07 2008 03:26 GMT
#2
Maybe he discovered girls.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Sudyn
Profile Joined May 2007
United States744 Posts
November 07 2008 03:28 GMT
#3
oh wow

amazing
Gaetele banned?
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 07 2008 03:29 GMT
#4
On November 07 2008 12:26 heyoka wrote:
Maybe he discovered girls.


Yeah, but I wanted this article to be longer than that. ;o
RIP Aaliyah
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-07 03:36:14
November 07 2008 03:31 GMT
#5
Flash got robbed last OSL.
If GGplay didn't have lings from god, Flash woulda swept and had a very very real shot at a title.
It's a shame. It's a true shame Stork got a gold. LSDJFLKSDJF

Flash is young. He is too young and strong to not accomplish much.
He has already accomplished more than Baby, Sea, Ruby, any other terran that came around his time.

He has put up consistent results. There is zero reason to believe Flash is declining. He made it past the OSL group of death - with EASE. He brushed past everyone til GGplay lucked plasma and had a very high level metagame Ultrabuild. -_-;; If not, he could beat Fantasy just as likely as Fantasy him, and then it's finals vs Stork.

No way... if I was a KTF fan, god forbid, I would still put my full support behind flash and still be very smug in the fact he is the very best terran to be clicking away right now.
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-07 03:34:28
November 07 2008 03:32 GMT
#6
Wow nice read i love articles like these

My favorite series from flash was actually flash vs backho on gsi. Flash played so perfect and amazing in those games i envy his tvp.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-07 03:34:34
November 07 2008 03:32 GMT
#7
Flash fighting in PL and GOM

on a side question, how does Flash play Proleague when its 14:00 Korea time?
Does he get to leave early in school or take the whole day off?
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
November 07 2008 03:33 GMT
#8
Flash losing games might not have to do with puberty. It might have to do with, oh, the fact that his opponents are also professional gamers who who are really fucking good at StarCraft? Ro8 in OSL, semifinals in MSL, finals in GSL, and most-wins in PL, *all in one season*, not good enough for you?

Give the guy a break.
May the BeSt man win.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 07 2008 03:36 GMT
#9
On November 07 2008 12:33 Djabanete wrote:
Flash losing games might not have to do with puberty. It might have to do with, oh, the fact that his opponents are also professional gamers who who are really fucking good at StarCraft? Ro8 in OSL, semifinals in MSL, finals in GSL, and most-wins in PL, *all in one season*, not good enough for you?

Give the guy a break.


I'm not denying that his opponents are good and that there is anything wrong with losing games. Upsets are so common these days. This is not an anti-flash article, this is just a different perspective on his inconsistency problem.

It's definitely good enough for me, I'm a huge Flash fan. He's a motherfucking beast.

But his games have declined in quality, there is definitely more to it than the level of competition. I'm just looking at trends of other younger progamers, and taking what I know of psychology and experiences in my own life to give an alternative explanation. Don't be so defensive!

Did you read the whole thing? I levy some pretty heavy praise on the guy.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 07 2008 03:37 GMT
#10
On November 07 2008 12:32 anch wrote:
Flash fighting in PL and GOM

on a side question, how does Flash play Proleague when its 14:00 Korea time?
Does he get to leave early in school or take the whole day off?


I believe they have worked out a deal with his highschool. I would imagine it is similar to how a child actor finishes their learning, but I'm not sure.

I would be very happy if anyone could shed some light on this, by no means am I the Flash guru.
RIP Aaliyah
onepost
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada297 Posts
November 07 2008 03:39 GMT
#11
Then perhaps ex-coach Dan, among other Koreans making similar statements, is wrong to frown at the potential of older players, like Nony. In the Spirit Tournament, Nony and Cloud, the oldest players, came on top with solid play, while most others' play disappointed, looking like drunken teens in a rebellious patch, regardless of their talent (remember Terror's play, anyone? mass wraith with no cloak, for God's sake!). No wonder none of them made it to Korea.

I don't think Flash is finished, far from it, but we've seen the best of him for the moment. I'm no longer betting systematically on him, even when he faces a nobody.
There are three types of lies: statistics, studies, and benchmarks.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
November 07 2008 03:40 GMT
#12
Thanks for all your recent writeups!
Check out my stream at www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315053 and follow me on Twitter @EGSuppy! :)
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 07 2008 03:41 GMT
#13
On November 07 2008 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2008 12:26 heyoka wrote:
Maybe he discovered girls.


Yeah, but I wanted this article to be longer than that. ;o


I can totally imagine flash being awkward at a high school dance with girls. How precious.

Great writeup though. It was a good read.
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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
November 07 2008 03:49 GMT
#14
Maybe he doesn't have the same drive to win.

I know that when I do well in XC I tend to start dropping in performance.

Things happen, just don't know why.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
November 07 2008 03:50 GMT
#15
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BreaK
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada890 Posts
November 07 2008 04:04 GMT
#16
Final Edit please.

Thank you for this wonderful, inspiring piece.
formerly ClouD.BreaK ~ gogo KTF! & Liquid!
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16986 Posts
November 07 2008 04:07 GMT
#17
On November 07 2008 12:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
"Plagguuuu!"


SANDWHICHEEEEE

<_<

Sorry, had to do it
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 07 2008 04:09 GMT
#18
On November 07 2008 13:07 Empyrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2008 12:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
"Plagguuuu!"


SANDWHICHEEEEE

<_<

Sorry, had to do it


REEBOREEBOREEBOREEBOREEBOREEBOREEBO
RIP Aaliyah
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
November 07 2008 04:18 GMT
#19
On November 07 2008 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2008 12:26 heyoka wrote:
Maybe he discovered girls.


Yeah, but I wanted this article to be longer than that. ;o



I didn't mean it at the time, but I just realized that your entire article can almost be summed up with that sentence. Nice writeup, though I think the applications of development theory sound a little forced.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
soudo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
603 Posts
November 07 2008 04:19 GMT
#20
Nice. I love reading things like this. This is why I come to TL.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 07 2008 04:20 GMT
#21
On November 07 2008 13:18 heyoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2008 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 07 2008 12:26 heyoka wrote:
Maybe he discovered girls.


Yeah, but I wanted this article to be longer than that. ;o



I didn't mean it at the time, but I just realized that your entire article can almost be summed up with that sentence. Nice writeup, though I think the applications of development theory sound a little forced.


Did they really?

I didn't intend that, perhaps it's the style in which I wrote that. I'll definitely try to make it seem more in place.
RIP Aaliyah
MuShu
Profile Joined March 2005
United States3223 Posts
November 07 2008 04:21 GMT
#22
Wow, sooo many great articles these last few weeks on TL! Awesome stuff Doc!
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
November 07 2008 04:38 GMT
#23
Awesome writeup Doctor - fantastic job
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
November 07 2008 04:53 GMT
#24
On November 07 2008 12:41 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2008 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 07 2008 12:26 heyoka wrote:
Maybe he discovered girls.


Yeah, but I wanted this article to be longer than that. ;o


I can totally imagine flash being awkward at a high school dance with girls. How precious.

Great writeup though. It was a good read.

I don't want to continue the trend, but Flash has a GF. There was a video about Flash's high school in Jon747 (or Baezzi). It was right before his OSL win I think.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
November 07 2008 04:57 GMT
#25
Flash is easily the best player in the world, he will prove it shortly.

Good article though, I agree with it. It's all in the mind.
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 07 2008 05:11 GMT
#26
Flash actually goes to school? I mean, I know he should considering he's like 16. But where does he find the time to practice? That's insane pressure. And I hated my parents when I had to take piano lessons on weekends.

I know starcraft careers can't be long, but when you're making executive-type money, who cares if you're behind on your education for a couple of years? Flash is actually likely to make LESS money once he gets out of starcraft and get a normal job.

Meh
Insane Lane
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States397 Posts
November 07 2008 05:15 GMT
#27
Omg I'm sorry but really all these articles are so overdramatic...

When I started reading the article, I saw Machiavelli and Atlas and I thought, I bet this is gonna get so crazy and overassuming about Flash that he's going to compare him to Barack Obama...

I like the analyzation, but a lot of these articles seem to be repeating the same exact themes over and over now and never really present anything new. Instead, they make broad, definitive statements of absolute truths and player psyche just to approach it from a highly dramatic view. Starcraft is Starcraft, Flash is Flash. This aint Moses parting the Red Sea here.

I know I'm gonna get flamed haha...
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 07 2008 05:20 GMT
#28
On November 07 2008 14:15 Insane Lane wrote:
Omg I'm sorry but really all these articles are so overdramatic...

When I started reading the article, I saw Machiavelli and Atlas and I thought, I bet this is gonna get so crazy and overassuming about Flash that he's going to compare him to Barack Obama...

I like the analyzation, but a lot of these articles seem to be repeating the same exact themes over and over now and never really present anything new. Instead, they make broad, definitive statements of absolute truths and player psyche just to approach it from a highly dramatic view. Starcraft is Starcraft, Flash is Flash. This aint Moses parting the Red Sea here.

I know I'm gonna get flamed haha...


Well it's all in good fun.

I agree that it's a bit melodramatic, but what's wrong with a bit of drama?
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Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19135 Posts
November 07 2008 05:23 GMT
#29
Nice article mr cjshirt ^^ (filthy KTF traitor)
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Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
November 07 2008 05:24 GMT
#30
On November 07 2008 14:15 Insane Lane wrote:
Omg I'm sorry but really all these articles are so overdramatic...

When I started reading the article, I saw Machiavelli and Atlas and I thought, I bet this is gonna get so crazy and overassuming about Flash that he's going to compare him to Barack Obama...

I like the analyzation, but a lot of these articles seem to be repeating the same exact themes over and over now and never really present anything new. Instead, they make broad, definitive statements of absolute truths and player psyche just to approach it from a highly dramatic view. Starcraft is Starcraft, Flash is Flash. This aint Moses parting the Red Sea here.

I know I'm gonna get flamed haha...

I agree with you, Flash is a young kid, there is no need to make such a big deal out of a semi-slump with such an over-exaggerated article. If this was done as a hype/aftermath article for a finals then it would make more sense. This article didn't add anything new to other than OMG FLASH IS A TEENAGER.
He will be back in his ultimate form, he has plenty of time and has proven himself more than once already of his ability to win a finals series.
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Profile Joined October 2008
United States7 Posts
November 07 2008 05:27 GMT
#31
Great job on the article.
Even better job on the clever metaphors.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 07 2008 05:28 GMT
#32
On November 07 2008 14:24 bubblegumbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2008 14:15 Insane Lane wrote:
Omg I'm sorry but really all these articles are so overdramatic...

When I started reading the article, I saw Machiavelli and Atlas and I thought, I bet this is gonna get so crazy and overassuming about Flash that he's going to compare him to Barack Obama...

I like the analyzation, but a lot of these articles seem to be repeating the same exact themes over and over now and never really present anything new. Instead, they make broad, definitive statements of absolute truths and player psyche just to approach it from a highly dramatic view. Starcraft is Starcraft, Flash is Flash. This aint Moses parting the Red Sea here.

I know I'm gonna get flamed haha...

I agree with you, Flash is a young kid, there is no need to make such a big deal out of a semi-slump with such an over-exaggerated article. If this was done as a hype/aftermath article for a finals then it would make more sense. This article didn't add anything new to other than OMG FLASH IS A TEENAGER.
He will be back in his ultimate form, he has plenty of time and has proven himself more than once already of his ability to win a finals series.


;_;
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x89titan
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Philippines1130 Posts
November 07 2008 05:32 GMT
#33
On November 07 2008 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2008 12:26 heyoka wrote:
Maybe he discovered girls.


Yeah, but I wanted this article to be longer than that. ;o

he discovered masturbation
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Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
November 07 2008 05:35 GMT
#34
really nice write up good job.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
November 07 2008 05:38 GMT
#35
Flash was the best player in the world. He could be the best player again in the future; only time will tell.

Excellent article, by the way. I prefer adding more psych theories though
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-07 13:43:27
November 07 2008 13:43 GMT
#36
On November 07 2008 14:32 x89titan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2008 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 07 2008 12:26 heyoka wrote:
Maybe he discovered girls.


Yeah, but I wanted this article to be longer than that. ;o

he discovered masturbation


That's what ruined MY starcraft career. And Xellos'.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42663 Posts
November 07 2008 13:57 GMT
#37
Fantastic article. Guys like you make tl awesome.
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-07 14:12:31
November 07 2008 14:09 GMT
#38
I didnt read all but the thing I read so far (Flash is in a small slump, he needs to get older to pwn more) I agree with.

I've always said it. Flash is like at 75% of his total skill, when he gets older like 2-3 years. He will dominate like Iloveoov did. Unstoppable.


On November 07 2008 14:38 meegrean wrote:
Flash was the best player in the world. He could be the best player again in the future; only time will tell.

Excellent article, by the way. I prefer adding more psych theories though


Too bad he is ranked #1 at KeSPA last month and he had the highest ELO until yesterday, when Bisu defeated Firebathero and got #1.

Flash #1 at KeSPA and #2 at ELO? he is the best
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Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-07 14:36:34
November 07 2008 14:29 GMT
#39
Goddamnit I need to rewatch some Jaedong/Flash games to make myself feel better.

On November 07 2008 14:38 meegrean wrote:
Flash was the best player in the world. He could be the best player again in the future; only time will tell.

Excellent article, by the way. I prefer adding more psych theories though


true only time will tell... Hopefully flash will do better next season, maybe do a repeat of this year's Bach OSL/GSI repeat? Ahh I can hope

edit: As a KTF fan, I agree almost everything you said on this article. The kid is so young yet so many people felt "disappointed." My god hes 16 people give him some time
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
November 07 2008 14:54 GMT
#40
Someone make this a featured thread asap!
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Wurzelbrumpft
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany471 Posts
November 07 2008 15:52 GMT
#41
you should be staff
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Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-07 16:28:23
November 07 2008 16:26 GMT
#42
You write that Iris and NaDa are ultra-aggressive. Iris is, but NaDa is the opposite. Also you compare early-Flash with TheZerg, and Leta, which I disagree heavily on. There has been no newcomer like Flash since NaDa, and no newcomer like Flash after Flash. He qualified for MSL and OSL in his first attempts, and has qualified everytime since that for both leagues. And his 39-24 record is actually very good by progaming standards, and extremely good by rookie-year standards.

Nice article, and thank you
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Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
November 07 2008 16:44 GMT
#43
On November 08 2008 01:26 Guybrush wrote:
You write that Iris and NaDa are ultra-aggressive. Iris is, but NaDa is the opposite. Also you compare early-Flash with TheZerg, and Leta, which I disagree heavily on. There has been no newcomer like Flash since NaDa, and no newcomer like Flash after Flash. He qualified for MSL and OSL in his first attempts, and has qualified everytime since that for both leagues. And his 39-24 record is actually very good by progaming standards, and extremely good by rookie-year standards.

Nice article, and thank you

Fantasy = Boxer
Flash = nada
ForGG = oov

This is how I feel whenever I see them play
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gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-07 16:55:03
November 07 2008 16:53 GMT
#44
started off good then you started to sound like East noobs when you started using 'rape' and 'fucking' so damn much.

huk i said started too much.
CholeraSC
Profile Joined March 2008
United States114 Posts
November 07 2008 16:54 GMT
#45
Really well-written article. I've always thought that KTF playing him for two games every Proleague match (including the ace) while he was playing in the late stages of Gom, OSL, and MSL was a form of child abuse. That constant pressure of practicing late into the night, worrying about his matchups, gave him those big black bags under his eyes that I saw in every game from the summer. He was more overworked than a 15 year old Olympic gymnast, and it showed in his unstable decline. Plus, I think since he was so good everyone studied his play for places to exploit it (ForGG v Flash in the Arena MSL was a great example). I think with some rest and refitting, and some time to make new builds, Flash will be back to challenge, and perhaps beat, the best players in the world (Stork and Jaedong) in the near future.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
November 07 2008 17:00 GMT
#46
After the semis against Bisu in the OSL some seasons ago I hated the kid so badly, his upgrade heavy passive TvP was soo annoying and boring to watch but slowly and surely Flash won my heart for his cause. I hope he starts raping stuff left and right, but what I want to see the most is Bisu destroying him with the gayest cheese possible
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 07 2008 17:26 GMT
#47
On November 08 2008 01:26 Guybrush wrote:
You write that Iris and NaDa are ultra-aggressive. Iris is, but NaDa is the opposite. Also you compare early-Flash with TheZerg, and Leta, which I disagree heavily on. There has been no newcomer like Flash since NaDa, and no newcomer like Flash after Flash. He qualified for MSL and OSL in his first attempts, and has qualified everytime since that for both leagues. And his 39-24 record is actually very good by progaming standards, and extremely good by rookie-year standards.

Nice article, and thank you


NaDa pioneered Tornado Style, which I feel is extremely aggressive.

I compare Leta and Thezerg, just because I want to give modern examples of great rookies.
On November 08 2008 01:53 gg_hertzz wrote:
started off good then you started to sound like East noobs when you started using 'rape' and 'fucking' so damn much.

huk i said started too much.


Thanks for pointing that out. I edited out 'fucking' in one version, but I guess I posted the wrong one. I corrected this.

I think 'rape' is an acceptable term.

On November 08 2008 00:52 Wurzelbrumpft wrote:
you should be staff


That would be nice, but I hope that TL has a more arduous process for picking staff than writing 2 articles. Especially when you're as new to TL.net as I am.
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Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
November 07 2008 17:31 GMT
#48
On November 08 2008 01:44 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2008 01:26 Guybrush wrote:
You write that Iris and NaDa are ultra-aggressive. Iris is, but NaDa is the opposite. Also you compare early-Flash with TheZerg, and Leta, which I disagree heavily on. There has been no newcomer like Flash since NaDa, and no newcomer like Flash after Flash. He qualified for MSL and OSL in his first attempts, and has qualified everytime since that for both leagues. And his 39-24 record is actually very good by progaming standards, and extremely good by rookie-year standards.

Nice article, and thank you

Fantasy = Boxer
Flash = nada
ForGG = oov

This is how I feel whenever I see them play


Sea/ForGG/Mind/Midas/Light/Xellos/Skyhigh(none of these are worthy ofc) = Oov
Flash(not worthy yet) = NaDa
UpMagic/Lomo/Casy/Leta/FBH(none of these are worthy ofc) = Boxer

Fantasy = Canata with no nerves
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knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
November 07 2008 18:22 GMT
#49
Iris/Hwasin = NaDa
They are the only two ever who I feel, remind me of NaDa.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
November 07 2008 19:07 GMT
#50
Great read, and all I have to say is: flash is still young :D (hopefully he will just stop 14 ccing...)
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Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
November 07 2008 19:28 GMT
#51
very nice writeup
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Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11291 Posts
November 07 2008 19:42 GMT
#52
Brilliant article, I really enjoyed it. And personal correlation is a good writing move
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 07 2008 19:46 GMT
#53
On November 08 2008 04:07 Comeh wrote:
Great read, and all I have to say is: flash is still young :D (hopefully he will just stop 14 ccing...)


He has stopped, but now he has other flaws in his play that are harder to put your finger on.
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masami.sc
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States445 Posts
November 07 2008 19:51 GMT
#54
That was a really good read, like an essay. But I felt like the developmental psychology didn't weave in too smoothly... Flash is one of my favorite terrans, too =D
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Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-07 19:59:57
November 07 2008 19:58 GMT
#55
On November 07 2008 12:31 SuperJongMan wrote:
Flash got robbed last OSL.
If GGplay didn't have lings from god, Flash woulda swept and had a very very real shot at a title.
It's a shame. It's a true shame Stork got a gold. LSDJFLKSDJF


A truly inspiring article! I am also saddened by how flash turned out, but he will once again be a monster, as he still is young and has the potential. =) go Flash!

I understand you, but I highly disagree with this statement. Stork deserves that gold.

EDIT: if you were being sarcastic, ignore my remark and my apology for not considering it.

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Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
November 08 2008 00:28 GMT
#56
Hmm, very interesting. I had always dismissed Flash's slump as being wrought through exhaustion by how ridiculously overused/scheduled he was (he clearly was not 'bonjwa flash' when he played Luxury in either game, as well as Lux did Flash still sucked). This is definitely an interpretation I hadn't considered and will certainly need to take into account when I write specifically about Flash's strategy later on. Well done!

It's interesting because even in his slump he would show some flashes of brilliance: ForGG game 3 was extremely good thinking by Flash. Then he'd go right back to being stupid or complacent and not trying to outthink to win. Any thoughts on this? (Savior showed the same thing during his slump).

Btw Flash's TvT was statistically his best matchup during his streak at 16-3, but it was the one matchup where he innovated the least. I guess it just wasn't as defined because he never fought a terran equivalent of Jaedong/Stork while he was in his prime. It's pretty crazy that 5 out of his 7 tvp losses in that period were to Stork/Bisu, and 5 out of his 6 TvZ losses were to Jaedong.

As for Terran comparisons...Flash is the closest Terran to iloveoov there will likely ever be since both rose by creating huge innovations and relying on intelligent economic pressure. Savior is quite similar in some ways (defensive control style; strong mental game) and not so in other ways (prioritizing army control). Comparing ForGG to oov is like only looking at a tiny part of their game: their total disregard for controlling their armies at the expense of producing units. But ForGG is really a timing attacker type player ala Hwasin and Iris, while oov is his own totally unique self.

It's the same for Nada too. The only people who can be remotely compared to Nada are Jaedong and Bisu, as both have transcendant mechanics along with a strong will (this is questionable for Bisu). Nada just happens to have the strongest will in progaming, which is why he can come back and own no matter what era.

Fantasy is so obviously iloveoov lol because...iloveoov is directly coaching him and feeding him builds! Boxer would never pull a hidden expansion when getting owned (Fantasy Stork game 5), that's an iloveoov thing.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 08 2008 01:13 GMT
#57
On November 08 2008 09:28 Ver wrote:
Hmm, very interesting. I had always dismissed Flash's slump as being wrought through exhaustion by how ridiculously overused/scheduled he was (he clearly was not 'bonjwa flash' when he played Luxury in either game, as well as Lux did Flash still sucked). This is definitely an interpretation I hadn't considered and will certainly need to take into account when I write specifically about Flash's strategy later on. Well done!

It's interesting because even in his slump he would show some flashes of brilliance: ForGG game 3 was extremely good thinking by Flash. Then he'd go right back to being stupid or complacent and not trying to outthink to win. Any thoughts on this? (Savior showed the same thing during his slump).

Btw Flash's TvT was statistically his best matchup during his streak at 16-3, but it was the one matchup where he innovated the least. I guess it just wasn't as defined because he never fought a terran equivalent of Jaedong/Stork while he was in his prime. It's pretty crazy that 5 out of his 7 tvp losses in that period were to Stork/Bisu, and 5 out of his 6 TvZ losses were to Jaedong.

As for Terran comparisons...Flash is the closest Terran to iloveoov there will likely ever be since both rose by creating huge innovations and relying on intelligent economic pressure. Savior is quite similar in some ways (defensive control style; strong mental game) and not so in other ways (prioritizing army control). Comparing ForGG to oov is like only looking at a tiny part of their game: their total disregard for controlling their armies at the expense of producing units. But ForGG is really a timing attacker type player ala Hwasin and Iris, while oov is his own totally unique self.

It's the same for Nada too. The only people who can be remotely compared to Nada are Jaedong and Bisu, as both have transcendant mechanics along with a strong will (this is questionable for Bisu). Nada just happens to have the strongest will in progaming, which is why he can come back and own no matter what era.

Fantasy is so obviously iloveoov lol because...iloveoov is directly coaching him and feeding him builds! Boxer would never pull a hidden expansion when getting owned (Fantasy Stork game 5), that's an iloveoov thing.


As far as strokes of brilliance during slumps, I think of it like this. Flash's play is an inconsistent animal. He started out on the top, and a course of events damaged his confidence and ruined his ability to play consistency. Now he kind of jumps all over the place. Winning a game, losing a game, going on a lose streak, win streak, etc.
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LightRailCoyote
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States982 Posts
November 08 2008 01:40 GMT
#58
Wow, this shit is long and crazy. There's been an upsurge of long long articles recently 0.o
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 08 2008 02:20 GMT
#59
On November 08 2008 10:40 LightRailCoyote wrote:
Wow, this shit is long and crazy. There's been an upsurge of long long articles recently 0.o


I wrote a little expose' on firebathero, and suddenly BW seemed to explode with articles.

I don't care if I started it or not, it's been great. I plan on writing articles for a long time. I should have a new one in the works soon, I'm still brainstorming.

If there is anything you'd like me to write about PM me, and that goes for anyone. I'm looking for some ideas. So far I'm considering writing an article about:

Tasteless
Mind
Teamliquid and the foreign scene
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SingletonWilliam
Profile Joined April 2008
United States664 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-08 03:10:57
November 08 2008 03:10 GMT
#60
Great article Doc, I loved it. Its easy to relate to Flash because he is so young. The entire article reminded me of that question, "What if Atlas shrugged?"

Here is the Flash at school video with his GF:

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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-08 03:11:37
November 08 2008 03:11 GMT
#61
Thanks for that video.
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 08 2008 03:25 GMT
#62
The video is pretty cool. It's hard to remember that he's a normal kid sometimes, with school and friends his age that are willing to mess around with him. I guess his parents are still either trying to get him to have a normal childhood, or they're still hoping that he goes to college >.>
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Augury
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States758 Posts
November 08 2008 03:26 GMT
#63
Great article. It's really hard to say much about the fall of Flash yet though, because he's so young. He hasn't been in the scene for that long, I think in a year or two, he should be a lot better.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 08 2008 14:59 GMT
#64
On November 08 2008 12:26 vsrooks wrote:
Great article. It's really hard to say much about the fall of Flash yet though, because he's so young. He hasn't been in the scene for that long, I think in a year or two, he should be a lot better.


I wouldn't use the term "fall". I agree that he'll improve with age.
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FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
November 10 2008 02:34 GMT
#65
Eh, I thought the article had potential but ended up far too melodramatic.
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omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-12 07:40:04
November 12 2008 07:39 GMT
#66
Ma Opa probably introduced him to the bath house.

Seriously, I enjoyed reading this. Well done.
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-12 08:58:22
November 12 2008 08:57 GMT
#67
Nice read but I don't necessarily agree with your argument. You pretty much made up the cause of his inconsistency out of thin air, something sort of like inconsistency = puberty (teenage confusion, etc.). Since you are attributing all the ones who slump the same cause of puberty (Sea, Mind, and even Jaedong).

I think there must be a lot of more factors coming into play, such as the fact that nowadays all S class players are so good that just by not being in your top slightly can cause you to fail, note that that doesn't necessarily mean puberty nor mental confusion. I'm pretty much sure adults also have these ups and downs, but in broodwar competition those can really be determining.
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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
November 12 2008 10:15 GMT
#68
Flash was born to play BW. Just see FCUK's great thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=65727 for one of many examples. Stubborn 14CCs notwithstanding, he has transcendental talent - probably the most of any gamer out there, and the ability to just CRUSH other players in every matchup. He'll be back, and he'll win at least one of both leagues in the upcoming year.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
November 12 2008 12:15 GMT
#69
On November 12 2008 17:57 kemoryan wrote:
Nice read but I don't necessarily agree with your argument. You pretty much made up the cause of his inconsistency out of thin air, something sort of like inconsistency = puberty (teenage confusion, etc.). Since you are attributing all the ones who slump the same cause of puberty (Sea, Mind, and even Jaedong).

I think there must be a lot of more factors coming into play, such as the fact that nowadays all S class players are so good that just by not being in your top slightly can cause you to fail, note that that doesn't necessarily mean puberty nor mental confusion. I'm pretty much sure adults also have these ups and downs, but in broodwar competition those can really be determining.

actually Daniel lee in one of the SC4all vids did say Sea wasn't doing good because of his late puberty
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 14 2009 22:49 GMT
#70
I'm bumping this because:

1.I wish it was a TLFE so it was always visible. But FlaSh is doing great recently, and it wouldn't make sense to re-make this as an FE>

2.This is my favorite article of mine, I think it has a good length, and lacks the repetition that plagues "On Fire".

3.Share this with TLers that might not have seen it the first time.
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
February 14 2009 22:58 GMT
#71
Flash is on a 9 game winning streak atm!

Flash said in a recent interview translated by MrHoon that he would not be overconfident and he has said many times that he will be the greatest Starcraft player ever. I can actually believe it, he has the skill, and so far he's only 16. Imagine how good he will be when hes ~18.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
February 14 2009 23:08 GMT
#72
Wow, he's only 16? I reckon he has a good amount of time to refine his skills. Nice article
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
February 14 2009 23:15 GMT
#73
Flash is very near to breaking the highest ever ELO peak, a record he himself set.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 14 2009 23:21 GMT
#74
On February 15 2009 08:15 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Flash is very near to breaking the highest ever ELO peak, a record he himself set.


Bisu has the highest ELO of all time atm. I think FlaSh set it at 2309, and Bisu is at 2315. I think FlaSh will end up ahead of Bisu in the end.
RIP Aaliyah
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 14 2009 23:23 GMT
#75
On February 15 2009 08:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2009 08:15 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Flash is very near to breaking the highest ever ELO peak, a record he himself set.


Bisu has the highest ELO of all time atm. I think FlaSh set it at 2309, and Bisu is at 2315. I think FlaSh will end up ahead of Bisu in the end.
No, Flash definitely has the record with an epic peak of 2336
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 14 2009 23:26 GMT
#76
On February 15 2009 08:23 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2009 08:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 15 2009 08:15 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Flash is very near to breaking the highest ever ELO peak, a record he himself set.


Bisu has the highest ELO of all time atm. I think FlaSh set it at 2309, and Bisu is at 2315. I think FlaSh will end up ahead of Bisu in the end.
No, Flash definitely has the record with an epic peak of 2336


Oh wow, I certainly read the wrong chart. Go Lee Young Ho!
RIP Aaliyah
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
February 14 2009 23:33 GMT
#77
And the thing that really amazes me is that the winning streak that FlaSh has set and the immense amount of games he's been winning recently is all against top notch players.
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Ra.Xor.2
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1784 Posts
February 14 2009 23:39 GMT
#78
On February 15 2009 08:33 SilverskY wrote:
And the thing that really amazes me is that the winning streak that FlaSh has set and the immense amount of games he's been winning recently is all against top notch players.


Plus, he's played like 15 games this past week. Must be such a toll on him. I really hope it doesn't send him into another slump.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 14 2009 23:52 GMT
#79
Maybe. I think he's really starting to come into his own.

KTF/FOX is gonna be one hell of a match tonight. I really want to see FlaSh/Mind.
RIP Aaliyah
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
February 15 2009 00:00 GMT
#80
wow, how did I miss this the first time?
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
September 12 2010 21:56 GMT
#81
I think this deserves a bump, because it really does a great job covering what every Flash fan was thinking from summer 2008 through summer 2009:

Will he ever fulfill his enormous potential?
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9756 Posts
September 12 2010 22:00 GMT
#82
dr h is amazing, will he ever fulfill his enormous potential? (again?)
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jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
September 12 2010 22:22 GMT
#83
On November 07 2008 12:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Flash is the best player in the world.

So why isn't he acting like it?


He's CERTAINLY acting like it now!
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
September 12 2010 22:38 GMT
#84
I'm very glad he ended up fulfilling his potential. Flash was the player who made me love broodwar so I really couldn't be happier about his success.
RIP Aaliyah
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
September 12 2010 22:46 GMT
#85
As a long-time flash fan, this was the first great article in TL written about him. Thanks again DrH for writing this.
And even though, I never stopped being a fan (which was painful during flash's 1.5 years of fail), I did have my doubts of whether the kid could really live up to his potential.
So great he proved me wrong
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
September 12 2010 22:49 GMT
#86
A 2 year bump that I actually agree with :D.
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Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
September 13 2010 10:31 GMT
#87
Great bump, very appropriate.

Obelisk7
Profile Joined January 2010
Korea (South)65 Posts
September 13 2010 11:03 GMT
#88
Good thread revival.

Now living int he future, we find that he is living up to his potential and he finally found what his role was.

Take Nothing For Granted, For Everything Changes.
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
September 13 2010 11:28 GMT
#89
On September 13 2010 06:56 darktreb wrote:
it really does a great job covering what every Flash fan was thinking from summer 2008 through summer 2009

So very true. And I am very glad he did live up to that potential. Thank you for this bump
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
September 13 2010 11:50 GMT
#90
On September 13 2010 06:56 darktreb wrote:
I think this deserves a bump, because it really does a great job covering what every Flash fan was thinking from summer 2008 through summer 2009:

Will he ever fulfill his enormous potential?


God yes, it was such a rollercoaster.
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
September 13 2010 11:55 GMT
#91
Luxury ForGG Leta GGPlay Kwanro Best.....

It was a rough time for Flash.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
September 13 2010 12:22 GMT
#92
(P)BeSt will prove you all wrong .. NEXT BW SEASON .. your "god" will pay ..
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Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
September 13 2010 13:12 GMT
#93
Nice bump. When I first saw it, I thought, "is Dr H mad trolling?", and then I saw the date lol.
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
moochu
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia374 Posts
September 13 2010 13:38 GMT
#94
On September 13 2010 22:12 Wings wrote:
Nice bump. When I first saw it, I thought, "is Dr H mad trolling?", and then I saw the date lol.


i thought it was gonna be a jaedong thread=(
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
September 13 2010 14:04 GMT
#95
On September 13 2010 22:38 moochu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2010 22:12 Wings wrote:
Nice bump. When I first saw it, I thought, "is Dr H mad trolling?", and then I saw the date lol.


i thought it was gonna be a jaedong thread=(

LOL yeah same..

Maybe in two years, JD will be like Flash now? Hm, nah...
Betrayed by EG.BuK
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 13 2010 14:59 GMT
#96
On September 13 2010 22:38 moochu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2010 22:12 Wings wrote:
Nice bump. When I first saw it, I thought, "is Dr H mad trolling?", and then I saw the date lol.


i thought it was gonna be a jaedong thread=(

How would it be Jaedong when he doesn't have a nickname with the word "Ultimate" in it?
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vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
September 13 2010 15:19 GMT
#97
nice bump. I enjoyed reading this article and seeing how much flash has improved
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6177 Posts
September 13 2010 16:46 GMT
#98
On September 13 2010 23:59 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2010 22:38 moochu wrote:
On September 13 2010 22:12 Wings wrote:
Nice bump. When I first saw it, I thought, "is Dr H mad trolling?", and then I saw the date lol.


i thought it was gonna be a jaedong thread=(

How would it be Jaedong when he doesn't have a nickname with the word "Ultimate" in it?

becouse the thread title is "Less than Ultimate", that's why he thought it was JD-thread.
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
June 04 2017 17:20 GMT
#99
Since flash is again on the spotlight with broodwar experiencing a revival, I thought that this masterfully written article would be great to share to everyone who does not know the story of Lee Young Ho after he won his first championship but struggled for the better part of almost 2 yrs before finally becoming the player he was meant to be.
Flash hwaiting!!
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-04 18:11:34
June 04 2017 18:11 GMT
#100
Damn, I remember reading this article (although nearly a year after it was first posted). Thanks for the bump!
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wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
June 04 2017 22:00 GMT
#101
I can't remember what the interview was, but Flash said the reason for some of his bad results in late 08-09 was he was holding builds back for later in the tournament to beat other top players. He stopped doing that and that was his second period of dominance (which didn't ever truly end)
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