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+ Show Spoiler +I have one question I've been dying to ask... although it is probably offensive, it's really an honest question, why are almost all the foreigners SO BAD at mutalisk micro? Ugh... seriously, when I was D+ I only practiced mutalisk micro and seriously it only takes a week to get some good muta micro. What is up with this sending 9 mutas attack move into a group of marines and losing 4 mutas before realizing what happened, and then this just terrible usage losing 5 mutas for nothing, taking like 10 seconds before realizing they are under attack. -_- seriously in the part of the game with mutalisks, they should be the easiest to watch constantly because that's basically all you really need to control, macro takes a few seconds and even if those mutalisks are under attack, you should be able to move them without losing 2+. Of course you've got the argument that these progamers are just so much better at picking off mutas, but from what I've seen, the mutalisk micro we saw from the foreigners in Spirit is almost non-existent, or used so badly that it's almost disadvantageous in the long run. What is up with this? Muta micro is so nice on LAN Latency and I thought everyone was improving, Muta micro is soooo easy to learn too. I'm not even joking when I say there's D level players with better mutalisk micro than some of the Zerg foreigners. Sorry to anyone who took offense to this, it was just a rant. Edit: I don't know if they are just having a bad day or what, or eating a hamburger or something, seriously come on... I won't respond to any posts as I've got to go, but I apologize in advance for any offense taken. Mods please delete this if you deem it unsuitable. Thanks 
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Thanks for the new vods! Sea.Really is a beast.
Daniel Lee is amazing. Funny and knowledgeable.
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Just echoing the statements above, the sound volume is fine for me but it's not synched correctly.
By the way, the sound was pretty close to perfect on the first few vods. What happened? Why change it if it worked so well before?
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Artosis, can you get Daniel Lee to write a book on how to be good at starcraft? If so, I will buy it. Great commentating!
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The video resolution seems to have improved a lot. But the framerate seems low. Sound is totally fixed.
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On August 27 2008 11:25 Artosis wrote:UPDATE 6: 2 new games up, G5 and Machine vs Sea.Really. Sound is getting much better. game sounds have been added back in. finally getting a handle on how to alter that stuff. please let me know how ya'll like the sound, like if the game sound should be higher, add in game music, or ofcourse if there are any problems with it. G5 vs Sea.Really + Show Spoiler +Machine vs Sea.Really + Show Spoiler +OP Updated
HAHA sea.really should join media
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I watched every vod...and my god they were all horrible. The pros absolutely raped the foreigners. It was like watching someone play against a computer. I wish you would stop having them play the top pros and some of the best players of all time...and rather have them play practice partners and B team people...so we can see good games.
even super dan is telling u that these foreigners suck balls (in a nice way)
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Im truly jealous of machine and g5 lol, Really is my fav pro :\
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On August 27 2008 13:38 Superiorwolf wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I have one question I've been dying to ask... although it is probably offensive, it's really an honest question, why are almost all the foreigners SO BAD at mutalisk micro? Ugh... seriously, when I was D+ I only practiced mutalisk micro and seriously it only takes a week to get some good muta micro. What is up with this sending 9 mutas attack move into a group of marines and losing 4 mutas before realizing what happened, and then this just terrible usage losing 5 mutas for nothing, taking like 10 seconds before realizing they are under attack. -_- seriously in the part of the game with mutalisks, they should be the easiest to watch constantly because that's basically all you really need to control, macro takes a few seconds and even if those mutalisks are under attack, you should be able to move them without losing 2+. Of course you've got the argument that these progamers are just so much better at picking off mutas, but from what I've seen, the mutalisk micro we saw from the foreigners in Spirit is almost non-existent, or used so badly that it's almost disadvantageous in the long run. What is up with this? Muta micro is so nice on LAN Latency and I thought everyone was improving, Muta micro is soooo easy to learn too. I'm not even joking when I say there's D level players with better mutalisk micro than some of the Zerg foreigners. Sorry to anyone who took offense to this, it was just a rant. Edit: I don't know if they are just having a bad day or what, or eating a hamburger or something, seriously come on... I won't respond to any posts as I've got to go, but I apologize in advance for any offense taken. Mods please delete this if you deem it unsuitable. Thanks
+ Show Spoiler +Presumably this is because he's busy making a tonne more units than a D+ player would be. Also, he's probably learnt a lot of the safest ways/times to send his mutas while macroing vs other foreigners, but against a pro I guess that could just get thrown off completely. Shrug. edit:
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DAMNATION
i love the videos but I HATE THE STUPID SITE
it destroys my poor computer, takes 20 minutes to "load" then stops 1/2 way through and i have to refresh, but then it gets even more fucked up aASDF!$#!AAFB#$%v
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Hi Artosis,
thanks for the good work. As some others have already mentioned, unfortunately the sound of the last two VODs was not synchronized. In the first game (really vs machine) I heard the starcraft sound 5 seconds before the action took place on the screen and your commentaries came another 3 seconds later. So, we had 3 different timings: game sounds -> video -> commentary.
Daniel Lee is really knowledgeable about SC of course and he made a very important point. They see SC as a science. And this is what the foreign scene of course is totally lacking. There are some Strategy Forums, but it is not an orchestrated approach, which however might only be possible in well defined structures such as pro-teams.
About the bad mechanics: Most players like to _play_ (and not to train for) starcraft, especially as it is not their job and they don't earn money from it. Practicing mechanics is a rather boring task, you have to do it again and again and again. It becomes much "easier" if you have a headcoach taking your head off if you don't practice your mechanics enough....^^
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On August 27 2008 13:38 Superiorwolf wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I have one question I've been dying to ask... although it is probably offensive, it's really an honest question, why are almost all the foreigners SO BAD at mutalisk micro? Ugh... seriously, when I was D+ I only practiced mutalisk micro and seriously it only takes a week to get some good muta micro. What is up with this sending 9 mutas attack move into a group of marines and losing 4 mutas before realizing what happened, and then this just terrible usage losing 5 mutas for nothing, taking like 10 seconds before realizing they are under attack. -_- seriously in the part of the game with mutalisks, they should be the easiest to watch constantly because that's basically all you really need to control, macro takes a few seconds and even if those mutalisks are under attack, you should be able to move them without losing 2+. Of course you've got the argument that these progamers are just so much better at picking off mutas, but from what I've seen, the mutalisk micro we saw from the foreigners in Spirit is almost non-existent, or used so badly that it's almost disadvantageous in the long run. What is up with this? Muta micro is so nice on LAN Latency and I thought everyone was improving, Muta micro is soooo easy to learn too. I'm not even joking when I say there's D level players with better mutalisk micro than some of the Zerg foreigners. Sorry to anyone who took offense to this, it was just a rant. Edit: I don't know if they are just having a bad day or what, or eating a hamburger or something, seriously come on... I won't respond to any posts as I've got to go, but I apologize in advance for any offense taken. Mods please delete this if you deem it unsuitable. Thanks
Are you seriously saying that you have better mutalisk control than the top foreigners? Maybe I'm wrong, but I highly doubt that. I know our foreigners are no Julys or Jaedongs, but I'm willing to bet that their mutalisk control is at least decent, or they wouldn't be where they are now. I'm willing to bet a lot of it is just the nerves from playing someone so good combined with the better response of the progamers.
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Artosis
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@ the out of sync stuff:
pretty sure i know exactly how to fix that. should be fixed in the next one.
@ the "the first vods were perfect why change them?":
actually the sound levels were still kinda wack. the early ones were very quiet unit sounds. im trying to get a better mix now. just takes me a while =P
@ the site+videos lagging sometimes:
yeah i dunno, trying to improve tons of stuff right now. ill mention this once again.
@ the muta micro:
really, these players probably have some of the best muta micro of any foreigners, its just such a lower level than the precise mutas of progamers that they look like trash vs pro terrans. the pro terrans can theoretically deal with superb mutas, so anything less does literally 0 damage.
@ the mechanics stuff:
foreigners play sc more as a strategy game. now that the game is so well mapped out, that approach isnt as strong as a brute force memorization style. think of chess. way back, really smart people were super good. nowadays, everyone has memorized the best openings etc. buncha super powerful robots. same thing in sc. the mechanics overcome most any intelligence. if the smartest foreigners really really worked on their mechanics, i think we'd see some beastly pro-level players. as is, the very top foreigners and B-team korean progamers dont seem to have a big gap in skill to me. hopefully that will begin getting proven pretty soon here =P
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Can anyone comment on the situation leading up to Coach Lee leaving estro? I'm still in the dark.
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Im not speaking for wolf...but the mutalisk micro that was displayed by the foreigners in the games was C level at best...if u watched all the games u would see this....castro is the only one who display ok muta micro be4 he got rolled...sorry can't do the fancy hide spoiler...im on my sidekick.
Also...the love vs mind game was horribe...love let him walk into his base to see 2 hatch mutas...and didn't adapt and still went for it...and he got raped...
In one of the other games the dude let like 4 mutas get raped as wolf pointed out...be4 he even noticed. If ur gona go mutas u might want to at least pay attention to them....
Part of the reason to go mutas is to keep him in his base...for fear of having marines walking in a line getting picked off...none of the foreigners were able to do this.
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Mondragon is the only non-korean with amazing mutalisk control ... period.
There are alot of very good users, but none do it as close to the koreans as he does.
The reason their micro looks so terrible is an issue of timming and defence. Non-korean terrans always leave at least SOME gap or SOME badly placed marines, the koreans are giving them maybe 1 or 2 marines a game as easy targets and the turret placement along with the highly reactive marines make ZvT 4X harder then they are used too. When you do a mutalisk build and it isn't doing damage, it begins to make you nervous, ESP. a two hat mutabuild , so you begin to try and catch up on macro , by doing it perfectly, the problem is trying to think yourself out of a hole leads to laspes in reaction time. Its a downward spiral effect.
There are 2 maybe 3 zergs in the world showing good ZvT against pro terrans (luxury,jaedong,thezerg) everybody else has been struggling for over a year .... you think non-koreans using outdated 3 hat muta builds or 2 hat muta builds have a chance ... LoL. Even luxury uses overpool >3 hat muta EVERY game now, and jaedong is back to variations of his original 2 hat builds. TheZerg, just expos before lair is finished, and somehow pulls it off ^^;;.
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lol g5 clowned twice.... poor g5
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On August 21 2008 14:34 NewJulyZerg wrote:
Did Fenix play in the TSL ?
..the first 48 ranked in the TSL ladder went on to the qualifiers for TSL. Fenix missed it by a hair.
47 ca TSL-Testie B+ 8422 92 - 38
48 us TSL-Machine B+ 8409 132 - 99
49 pe TSL-Fenix B+ 8407 82 - 18
GO FENIX for next TSL!!
edit: I'm a Fenix fan now.
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On August 27 2008 16:59 likeaboss wrote:
lol g5 clowned twice.... poor g5
so you only make shitty posts?
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