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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
July 11 2008 19:10 GMT
#1
I was wondering what the earliest pro game where someone stacked mutas was...I'm curious as to what it was like way back when.

If anyone remembers the first, or among the first way back when, then please lmk...either at least the set and event/year, or a link to a VOD would be awesome.

Thanks.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
July 11 2008 19:52 GMT
#2
It's definitely previous to patch 1.08 when I started playing. But back then no one knew about the larvae trick, so people would run their mutas to geysers or minerals to stack them back, every time you made them fly a route you would need to re-stack them.
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roMAD
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Russia2355 Posts
July 11 2008 20:01 GMT
#3
Shark[gm] is the one who first noticed it, so try some of his VODs between March - May 2006 year (thats when it was discovered)
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-11 20:15:22
July 11 2008 20:14 GMT
#4
There was a saying that probably Luxury discovered it or help discovering it too but July stand out with it at first . Then anyone started microing after Savior's 3 hatc in to mutas .
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
July 11 2008 20:21 GMT
#5
On July 12 2008 05:14 raga4ka wrote:
There was a saying that probably Luxury discovered it or help discovering it too but July stand out with it at first . Then anyone started microing after Savior's 3 hatc in to mutas .


Does your post make any sense?

No.

Hongjinho had the first remarkable mutalisk harass; July came along and did even better with it [but still using rudimentary techniques]

For the record, Jinho won the huge muta fight against July on Bifrost.

Then it's just as Romad said. Shark demonstrated it with larvae, but it quickly became used with overlords instead.
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Centric
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1989 Posts
July 11 2008 20:43 GMT
#6
Some old school Hongjinho muta harass before the stacking:

Super serious.
OmgIRok
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Taiwan2699 Posts
July 11 2008 20:45 GMT
#7
Does anyone know how to make the stacked mutalisks attack without un-stacking?

My brother said it's with Hold Position, it worked, but wasn't very effective.
Is it just right clicking to attack? A+click? or what?
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Centric
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1989 Posts
July 11 2008 20:51 GMT
#8
On July 12 2008 05:45 OmgIRok wrote:
Does anyone know how to make the stacked mutalisks attack without un-stacking?

My brother said it's with Hold Position, it worked, but wasn't very effective.
Is it just right clicking to attack? A+click? or what?

If you group them with an overlord or a larvae (or something outside the magic box) they shouldn't unstack while they attack.
Super serious.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-11 21:09:21
July 11 2008 21:07 GMT
#9
On July 12 2008 05:21 Last Romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2008 05:14 raga4ka wrote:
There was a saying that probably Luxury discovered it or helped discovering it , but July stand out with it at first . Then anyone started microing after Savior's 3 hatc in to mutas .


Does your post make any sense?

No.

Hongjinho had the first remarkable mutalisk harass; July came along and did even better with it [but still using rudimentary techniques]

For the record, Jinho won the huge muta fight against July on Bifrost.

Then it's just as Romad said. Shark demonstrated it with larvae, but it quickly became used with overlords instead.


Well when i think of old muta harras only July comes in to my mind .
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-11 21:24:29
July 11 2008 21:18 GMT
#10
If someone has the BoxeR vs YellOw Luna vod, that's a good example of pre-shark muta harass.



2005 JulyZerg, but that is so fun to watch
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Polyphasic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States841 Posts
July 11 2008 21:51 GMT
#11
wow... it's incredible that before muta stacking, zerg was not imbalanced, ... and after muta stacking, zerg was still not imbalanced...

you'd think that a huge advantage like this would cause some balance issues? but no, terran just gets better at micro and base layout, and certain maps are bad for TvZ FE like bluestorm.
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Jonteman
Profile Joined November 2004
Sweden644 Posts
July 11 2008 22:28 GMT
#12
On July 12 2008 06:18 Last Romantic wrote:
If someone has the BoxeR vs YellOw Luna vod, that's a good example of pre-shark muta harass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHcjHEDWoN4

2005 JulyZerg, but that is so fun to watch
That video is from 2006 though. Remember the game.

According to tlpd, it was played 2006-08-14
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/1013_Hwasin_vs_July
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
July 11 2008 23:32 GMT
#13
shiiit I'm even getting my years mixed up now
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
July 13 2008 23:23 GMT
#14
Hmm...yeah, I just watched a July vs Casy VOD in the 2006 Shinhan OSL.

It's interesting to see how relatively imprecise they were back then as to now...haha.

Thanks for your replies.
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Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
July 13 2008 23:39 GMT
#15
I'm pretty sure the first stacked mutalisk harass was from Shark[gm], and that the first televised game where it was used effectively was July vs Hwasin (What an amazing fucking game). I'm pretty sure that game made pimpest plays, because the amount of stuff July kills with his mutas is astounding.

wow... it's incredible that before muta stacking, zerg was not imbalanced, ... and after muta stacking, zerg was still not imbalanced...

you'd think that a huge advantage like this would cause some balance issues? but no, terran just gets better at micro and base layout, and certain maps are bad for TvZ FE like bluestorm.


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Wonders
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Australia753 Posts
July 13 2008 23:55 GMT
#16
Muta micro was around long before July. The first time I saw stacked mutas doing the slinging thing where they dive in and move back repeatedly is in a Yellow rep back when Lost Temple was still the most played map (around about 2003). Improvements such as grouping them with a larvae/overlord and using hold position came later though.
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
July 14 2008 00:13 GMT
#17
Shark vs Xellos on Pioneering Period in 2006. Proleague match.
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