Bulldog Toss

On September 16 2003 21:49 Shockey wrote:
at no point do u say to make goons, plus it would be owned by a gundam.

On September 16 2003 21:32 HnR)Kim wrote:
Pvt has 2 builds, first is fast ob, 2nd is fast range up(Without fast dt, reaver). Fast ob is weak to 2 fac, range up is weak to 1fac duble cc or 1fac starprot. But Bulldog is good at both build.

after cyber dont make goon.
save min 200 gas 200 and make robo.
make pylon after you have 150 gas and start range.
make observatory after robo.
still keep making probes.
obsvertory after make 2 gate.

a strong point is you can make ob faster with many goons
a weak point is weak to chesse rush.
attention keep making probes.


That make asia server Bulldog.

On September 16 2003 22:34 ToKoreaWithLuck wrote:
U should be able to survive vs a gundam. Ter prolly contains and there u are with ur fast obs and 2 gate goon.Doesnt sound promosing for toss.

On September 16 2003 21:32 HnR)Kim wrote:
Pvt has 2 builds, first is fast ob, 2nd is fast range up(Without fast dt, reaver). Fast ob is weak to 2 fac, range up is weak to 1fac duble cc or 1fac starprot. But Bulldog is good at both build.

after cyber dont make goon.
save min 200 gas 200 and make robo.
make pylon after you have 150 gas and start range.
make observatory after robo.
still keep making probes.
obsvertory after make 2 gate.

a strong point is you can make ob faster with many goons
a weak point is weak to chesse rush.
attention keep making probes.


That make asia server Bulldog.

On September 16 2003 23:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:
nasty, that build gives you ob much faster than any fast ob build _ive_ ever used at least..

and, if it defends vs gundam, it defends against any terran build. ^_^

On September 17 2003 01:20 nArAnjO wrote:
damn killing a quick push is sooo easy, just build 2/3 gates outside terran base and pump units and go right in =/

On September 17 2003 00:02 RickJSanchez wrote:


PvT does not have just 2 builds dipshit.
unless you mean from when they get a pylon to the cyber core.
from there i know 5 different pvt builds to do that are on the top of my head right now. surprised Rek didnt say this b4 i did.

On September 17 2003 01:33 Breeze wrote:
both cobra terran and elephant terran > that

On September 17 2003 01:55 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:
kim is not a dipshit shhh!

On September 16 2003 21:37 Twisted wrote:
Why the fuck do you call it Bulldog :[

And fast obs + goons rapes a gundam push if you micro properly and go 3 gate.

On September 16 2003 21:45 HnR)Kim wrote:
btw Um Jae Kyung ogn commentary talk to about bulldog in starleague(boxer vs joyo).and said 'foru said thats good build'

On September 17 2003 06:24 Zerius wrote:
gundam DOES win it. you dont have NO goons until have u start robo, you have 1 to kill scout/block ramp etc, but nothing serious. its still a good build tho, just need to use proper scouting.

On September 17 2003 11:40 ToKoreaWithLuck wrote:
Lol vultures would so badly die to this build that u would never make vultures again.
----> range/fast obs come on man be a litlle logical vultures? :p
I tried the build to. I almost kept that scv outside thats so fucking important. I had no clif so he got in ... (guill) He saw robo 3 gate range but low unit count. He did an 1fact 3 rax m&m and siege. omfg ...
He said something like '3 GATE OBS = NO DT!!' or something ^^

On September 17 2003 12:21 FrozenArbiter wrote:

Win or lose?;(

On September 17 2003 11:40 ToKoreaWithLuck wrote:
Lol vultures would so badly die to this build that u would never make vultures again.
----> range/fast obs come on man be a litlle logical vultures? :p
I tried the build to. I almost kept that scv outside thats so fucking important. I had no clif so he got in ... (guill) He saw robo 3 gate range but low unit count. He did an 1fact 3 rax m&m and siege. omfg ...
He said something like '3 GATE OBS = NO DT!!' or something ^^

On September 17 2003 18:35 STIMEY D OKMG FISH wrote:
o well if the guy post wrong build then oke. :|

On September 16 2003 22:43 NewbieMcNasty wrote:
Its basically IS a fast observer build, except range is ten seconds faster in exchange for the first dragoon to be ten seconds slower.

There are some fast observer builds that are half decent vs gundam though. Usually they envolve starting gas a bit early, and sacrificing probe production a bit in order to get 4 goons with range and an observer out at nat by the time terran shows up with his initial push force. If you don't get that extra gas you are either missing a goon, range, or obs, and that would not be adequate to defeat 2 scvs, 4 marines, a tank and one or two vults.

On September 18 2003 02:26 MFaulk28 wrote:
dude i did this build for like the past 6 months before i quit ... it sucks vs any 2 fact build or 1 rax marine /1 fact tank build ... but it sucks to get obs, it slows you down so much, the ob is stupid if you are gonna do this build just build the robo, skip observatory, build nex in natural then get shuttle .. youll have 3 dragoon by the time they drop your cliff, or if they expo then u can exp again in like 4 minutes after that expo and it tears it up, if you find any replay of me thats fairly recent pvt i used to do it pretty much every game i saw 1 fact build in pvt ... it works well vs 1 fact but always loses vs 2 fact ... even if you add 4 gates total youll be too late cuz terran will take your natural and itll be all over for u.

On September 18 2003 08:02 ToKoreaWithLuck wrote:
What expand. The obs is in 5 minute in ennemy base. Then u decide what to do. If u see a 2 fact well dropship/goon whatever 3/4 gates. Toss doesnt expand in this build.

On September 18 2003 21:54 MFaulk28 wrote:


yeah well going off what you just said its safe to assume you suck. [

On September 18 2003 22:17 ToKoreaWithLuck wrote:
How do I react on this?

On September 18 2003 21:54 MFaulk28 wrote:


The whole point of doing this is to expand early, if you dont build dragoon before your robo you are doomed to lose to 2 fact no matter what .. ive done this build probably over 300 times pvt ... you should only be doing it if they 1 fact, that is, if you can see only 1 fact with your probe in their base. the whole point of any pvt build is to expand as fast as possible, nothing else is important ... building an ob isnt going to do anything for you except slow you down ... youd find out about a drop maybe 10-15 seconds sooner, but who cares because if you know they arent 2 facting then you defend your main and your cliff, its pretty fricken easy. if you build observatory and ob and wait to see what they are doing to expand you arent gaining any advantage whatsoever, you are only risking a quick loss to 2 fact : [

On September 17 2003 21:06 NuclearAntelope wrote:
Ugh, you people have bulldog all wrong:
-After core, no goon yet.
-Get robo with first 200 gas
-Make a single goon for cliff
-Next get goon range, then observatory
-Due to the mass amounts of minerals you should have, build 2 MORE gates(total of 3)
-Continue pumping goons
-Chances are, terran will try some sort of attack withen first 10 min, whether it be tank drop or vultures.
-After you stop initial attack, exp x2.
-You will be able to get 200/200 very fast with this, remember to put EMPHASIS ON NON STOP PROBES.

if all else fails, just do proxy gates