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Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
April 17 2008 09:25 GMT
#1
Interview with NonY


He is one of the best Non Korean Protoss players currently. With a very strong record in the TSL. Besides his very popular VOD's, NonY has been a great guy to talk to in the TL.net community. I decided to ask him some more questions and this interview is the result!

The Interview


How did you start with gaming?

I started gaming with the NES (Nintendo Entertainment System) and progressed to the SNES, the PlayStation and eventually PC gaming. I was never a very competitive gamer until I played Red Alert on the PC. I competed in the official online ladder for Red Alert, Red Alert: Aftermath and Dune 2000. I won both the Aftermath and Dune 2000 ladders when I was 12-13 years old. After that, I switched between EverQuest and StarCraft and World of Warcraft up until now

what do you think of starcraft after so many years is the game perfectly balanced yet?

I think starcraft is balanced right now. I think maps are used heavily to balance the game and it has been a healthy solution for starcraft. I would not be in favor of any patches altering gameplay.

how did you start playing protoss and do you feel the pvz matchup is one sided towards z.

I liked Protoss when I first started because of reavers. I noticed how much damage they can do and I wanted to have more fun using them. I never tried to play Terran or Zerg seriously and I'm still bad at those races haha. I don't think the PvZ matchup favors Z. Certainly in the past, Protoss has had problems against Zerg on the professional level and on the amateur level, but nowadays it isn't so bad. The professional players have innovated and new maps have given Protoss some more options that weren't possible on older maps. I think the matchup is very balanced right now and it will favor the player who has better strategy and mechanics.

What does Nony mean

Nony is a nickname that my brother gave me when I was about 5 and he was about 7. It doesn't have any meaning at all. It is pronounced like the words 'knew' and 'knee'. Knew-knee with equal emphasis on both syllables. He still calls me that today and my friends called me that when I was a child.

What do you think are the pre-reqs for being a good rts/sc player

I think a good SC player needs to have a very fast mind. Handspeed is required but it can be learned and practiced. The state of mind is difficult to achieve. Most players play poorly because they will be focused on a single thing during the game and will ignore all other things. Their hands are fast enough but their mind fails to multitask. Beyond that, I think a person needs to learn to accept defeat and be willing to learn from every loss. If an opponent beat you in a "cheap" or "stupid" or "cheesey" way then it is your fault for falling victim to it and it's something you can patch up. So a good player needs to have an open mind and be eager to improve his game, not his ego.

and do you find shifting between games an easy thing to do and what are the skill sets one needs to transfer it over

Shifting between games has been difficult for me. It seems like my way of thinking changes completely with the game so when I go back to an old game, I forget how to think while playing it. The only skill I think is important for all games is to keep an open mind. Any game can become routine and it can lure you into focusing too hard on execution and that extreme focus will block out innovation

For the fast mind, you have to realize that the brain cannot truly multitask. You can only truly be focusing on one thing at a time, so you want to make many actions automatic. You want to have many things thought out in advance. The things that most players get caught up on, I put out of my mind after a split-second decision.

How do you group your units and buildings

I've never seen anyone else with my hotkeys.
1-Nexus 2-Gateway 3-Gateway 4-Units 5-Units 6-Shuttle/corsairs 7-nothing 8-Probes 9-Probes 0-Probes.

Usually I will end up hotkeying my first three Nexii as 1 2 3. As I get more and more units, I descend their hotkeys 5 4 3 2 1. I hotkey probes in case I need to run them away from something like a High Templar drop.

Have you ever tried warcraft 3 btw?

I played WC3 just a little bit. I played with my brother and some friends but I never tried the online ladder. I didn't think it was very fun.

Some players have shifted races from zerg to terran for certain matchups , do you thinkthat you would do the same to give you an advantage?

I would not switch my race for a certain matchup just for an advantage. I enjoy playing Protoss and when PvZ, PvT or PvP feel particularly difficult to me, I just stick to it and try to improve.

What does it take to shift between the races?

I think an open mind and perseverance are necessary. There are many facets of the game that are race specific, so an open mind is necessary to be prepared for the unique challenges of the new race. Perseverance is necessary because skill level will drop after switching so it's important to not get frustrated and keep learning.

What is the common ground for being good at RTS fundamentally ? What are the skills one should develop?

On-the-fly strategical thinking is the most important mental skill. A good RTS will have too many variables to have everything pre-planned so it's important to recognize optimal moves in new situations. Very good hand speed for both the keyboard and mouse are required for competitive StarCraft, though I have heard other RTS games are not as fast paced and physically demanding.

Assuming you were to start out starcraft all over again, would you do things different ?

I would use all of my time playing StarCraft to increase my skill. I have spent a large percentage of my time on StarCraft doing things just for fun. If I had used all my time on StarCraft to constantly seek out 1v1 games with the best players and to study replays and videos, I could be much better now.

How did you set about to be the one of the best toss players around ? What was your initial strategy/methods of practice that you used?

I paid a lot of attention to the strategies that professional players were using and I also watched replays of my peers to see how they were winning and losing games. I would try to decide what the optimal strategy for a particular map and matchup was and then I'd do that strategy every single game. But if a completely different style of play was better suited for a different map, then I would not be afraid to completely change. I also saw the importance of hand speed and multitasking, so I constantly attempted moves that were too difficult for me to do. After many failures, the body and mind adapt, so I became one of the fastest foreigners.

What are you doing for media gaming ?
This was held a while back, right now Nony is playing for Excello.

My only role in Media is to play in clan leagues.

Have you ever considered giving tuitions for Starcraft? What do you see as the common mistakes amongst gamers?

I used to offer a lot of advice to players of lower skill level but I have lost interesting in teaching. The most common mistake is to neglect something of importance at a critical time. It is difficult to pay attention to everything at once and most players could have prevented a loss by simply building units when they hadn't been building units or by microing their army when they hadn't been microing. At a higher level of play, the most common mistake is to get stuck in a pattern. Even at the highest levels of play, players routinely omit optimal moves because their mind has a preconception about what should be done and the mind is too occupied by the demands of the game to stray from that proconceived pattern when necessary.

you recently almost all killed everyone in the teamliquid games. What did you observe as the main things and what was it that most of them lacked?

They really seemed to lack in almost every aspect. I think I had better build orders, better macro, better micro, and I seized opportunities that were presented to me. It is tough to pinpoint what their biggest faults were when there is a large gap in skill overall.

Have you seen Starcraft 2, what are your thoughts on it ? Do you think you would want to shift to it as soon as it comes and go pro?

I have seen some videos of SC2, most recently the new zerg videos, and I think it is coming along nicely. If I'm still playing SC competitively when SC2 is released, I will switch to SC2 because there will be many more competitions and opportunities for a competitive player. I would be expecting to make a career out of it.

If you did see, did you see what were the similarities in the 2 games?

I think Blizzard is working hard and succeeding at keeping the most important elements the same. SC2 will be fast paced and will be strategically robust. Many other things may be different, but as long as those two elements remain, it will be a good game.

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I hope you guys enjoy this interview. And thank you NonY for being such a nice guy. You rock.
ZhenMiChan
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Netherlands1181 Posts
April 17 2008 09:30 GMT
#2
Nice i-view thanks!
Studying Chinese~
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
April 17 2008 10:20 GMT
#3
Pretty nice interview, though I'm slightly curious at his current age, if anyone knows could they post?
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
April 17 2008 10:44 GMT
#4
Very nice interview. I'm supporting Nony for the TSL! Go GO Nony!
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Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-17 11:06:53
April 17 2008 11:06 GMT
#5
Nice, Nony Mondragon Bo11 TSL finals!
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ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
April 17 2008 11:32 GMT
#6
one more question: why would you not join ToT if invited?
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
April 17 2008 12:21 GMT
#7
On April 17 2008 20:32 ilbh wrote:
one more question: why would you not join ToT if invited?


My best friends are at Media, my best sponsorship offer is at Excello, and Excello is getting the best results. I don't see any advantage for me joining ToT. If I did join, I'd have to spend time mending stupid grudges, and yet I don't think I'd ever really fit in anyway.

I think ToT used to be a big deal, like when incontrol disbanded 88) to join ToT, we were saying things like "you deserve to go to the next level" and "ToT is such a great opportunity" and there was nothing you could replace ToT with and still say those things. But now ToT is just another team. They have a great history but it's a mistake to think every foreign player would join ToT if they could. That used to be true some years ago but I think that that sentiment has definitely faded.
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
April 17 2008 13:47 GMT
#8
Nice interview. I hope Nony goes far in TSL.
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JoMal
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
April 17 2008 13:50 GMT
#9
Great interview. Its really funny how NonY decided to quit Broodwar overall to play Halo 3, and came back like a week after and started pwning guys all over.
Another questiton. If you'd won the eSTRO competition, would you have gone. And do you think that you'll be invited to another major foreign/korean broodwar competition ex. WWI or IEST ?
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
April 17 2008 14:03 GMT
#10
nice writeup :D
^-^
ToT)SiLeNcE(
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany590 Posts
April 17 2008 14:09 GMT
#11
On April 17 2008 21:21 NonY[rC] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2008 20:32 ilbh wrote:
one more question: why would you not join ToT if invited?


My best friends are at Media, my best sponsorship offer is at Excello, and Excello is getting the best results. I don't see any advantage for me joining ToT. If I did join, I'd have to spend time mending stupid grudges, and yet I don't think I'd ever really fit in anyway.

I think ToT used to be a big deal, like when incontrol disbanded 88) to join ToT, we were saying things like "you deserve to go to the next level" and "ToT is such a great opportunity" and there was nothing you could replace ToT with and still say those things. But now ToT is just another team. They have a great history but it's a mistake to think every foreign player would join ToT if they could. That used to be true some years ago but I think that that sentiment has definitely faded.


Agreed, not that you wouldn't fit in, but the most important thing is to be where your friends are.
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
April 17 2008 14:13 GMT
#12
Sweet interview, the answer to the "tuitions"-question is so true.
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VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-17 15:47:42
April 17 2008 15:46 GMT
#13
I have a question if you don't mind:

If you open any Nony replay on bwRepInfo, you'll see that even tho you have 300ish apm (above average), you have about 55% redundancy (progamer avg is 30%) with about 130 effective apm (bellow average). While 80% of your invalid actions are "select without subsequent order". This is very very unusual if compared to any top player.

I know all that matters are the final results. And your final results are great and you're a great player. Explain why your actions are so different from everyone's else? Is it just to keep hands warm for critical times or something?
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
April 17 2008 16:01 GMT
#14
Nice interview. I <3 Knew knee
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BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
April 17 2008 16:15 GMT
#15
He likes to spam for some reason. He also doesn't use all 10 hotkeys for some reason. But as he said, it's not about hand speed but about mental speed.
parkin
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
1083 Posts
April 17 2008 16:40 GMT
#16
its like the matrix. its all about the mental speed.
mostly harmless
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
April 17 2008 17:01 GMT
#17
nice interview.

but i still dont get how the fuck "No" and "Ny" ended up as "Knew"and "Knee"

wtf -_-
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
April 17 2008 17:04 GMT
#18
It's know knee.
If he wanted to be called knew knee he should have spelled it differently, at the very least noony.
Change name, don't butcher the english language~~~
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 17 2008 17:05 GMT
#19
On April 18 2008 00:46 VIB wrote:
I have a question if you don't mind:

If you open any Nony replay on bwRepInfo, you'll see that even tho you have 300ish apm (above average), you have about 55% redundancy (progamer avg is 30%) with about 130 effective apm (bellow average). While 80% of your invalid actions are "select without subsequent order". This is very very unusual if compared to any top player.

I know all that matters are the final results. And your final results are great and you're a great player. Explain why your actions are so different from everyone's else? Is it just to keep hands warm for critical times or something?


I spam the shit out of my keyboard and while I cannot speak for nony I can tell you that it helps me keep my hands familiar with the keys (for each game specifically) and I feel like it helps my overal speed. Sure if I was getting paid to play this game solely and I had koreans to train with both in my house and directly within my immediate location I would focus on making those keystrokes more useful but as a guy who plays in his bedroom when hes not doing college stuff I think I am fine where I am Hell, sometimes even beating said gamers who are professional!
ZaplinG
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3818 Posts
April 17 2008 17:11 GMT
#20
Know Knee is what ive always said
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