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51486 Posts
Did you miss out?
You can download the whole broadcast here.
Edit by Chill:
Hi. Just wanted to bump this to let people know we will be casting the Proleague Grand Finals on Saturday the 16th Korean time (Friday the 15th night North American time).
I've already gone through and read all the comments left in this thread, in PMs and on Youtube; however, if you have any further suggestions please post them here.
All the players from the past cast will be back: Hot_Bid, GTR-2-Go, Kennigit and myself. R1CH will be broadcasting the feed with a 1000 user limit this time (Hoho so get on early before those fill up quickly). We may be bringing on other casters to fill in the gaps in our commentary, and to help with their expertise during down time between games - It's something we're still looking into.
We'll be putting forth some more effort into improving and preparing, so again, if you have any suggestions, technical or personal, please post them here.
Thanks, and hope you tune in.
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I'd wake up early for that.
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Haha, sounds nice. I hope there aren't any technical difficulties
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On January 24 2008 20:36 Daranee wrote:
Haha, sounds nice. I hope there aren't any technical difficulties
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Hungary11300 Posts
Will be there! And looking forward to it. You could do a test-cast for the OSL round tomorrow?
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On January 24 2008 20:36 Xiberia wrote:
I'd wake up early for that.
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Sweet, I'm looking forward to this. 
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On January 25 2008 07:13 Carefree Me wrote:Sweet, I'm looking forward to this.
Pleeease update OP with details :D :D
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Awesome. Gl on getting this of the ground! It would really be a great addition to the games.
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hope to see this actually up and running. gl with it!
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Calgary25986 Posts
What the fuck. GTR did you not read THE OTHER THREAD WINK WINK WINK?
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Bet NonY is the guest commentator!
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Can u record it so I can play it when I watch the vods? I have a 9am exam the next morning so cant watch live.
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yea sub it in the vods and upload it to tracker =)
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On January 25 2008 07:46 no_re wrote:
Can u record it so I can play it when I watch the vods? I have a 9am exam the next morning so cant watch live.
Second. Please record if you can, and thank you for the efforts
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Zurich15352 Posts
Damnit just noticed Sunday my grandma's 90th... this is gonna be a tough choice.
Pleeeeaase record it.
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lol zatic. Family > SC easily, just get like a recording or something later on.
i want in with my microphone!!!(if it feels like working)
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Osaka27154 Posts
I think this is going to be a lot harder than you guys know.
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Calgary25986 Posts
Thanks for the encouragement Mani!
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I'd really like to see how this turns out
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Nevermind, its 3am my time (EST)
;_;
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Osaka27154 Posts
On January 25 2008 08:37 Chill wrote:
Thanks for the encouragement Mani!
Hey Im all for it, I just think it is going to be difficult.
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8751 Posts
I can't be awake at that hour on that day so I definitely won't be a guest. But TL.net has plenty of very knowledgeable people so I'm confident it'll be a great commentary as long as they don't encounter technical problems.
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ragging on moletrap/diggity?
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3 people I know for sure that understand the game well:
Chill
NonY
zulu
So, ZULU? lol
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i'd watch it but the day after it i have to take the SAT's =.='
hopefully someone uploads it so i can catch it when i get back o.o!
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I want to LEARN something when I watch these. Please dont be superficial.
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call me noob etc etc, but what day and time (tl time is fine) is this? wanna know if i can watch oO
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Valhalla18444 Posts
its on the calendar, tomorrow's games
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On January 25 2008 10:11 ray1234 wrote:
ragging on moletrap/diggity?
Thinly veiled.
Despite which, I'm looking forward to this. Let me know if you want any help/advice on the technical side of things.
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How would I got about watching it?
Edit: if it is tomorrow, I'll stay up.
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i want to be in on the commentary
pretty pretty please
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i wanna be the guest
i promise my voice will be in ALL CAPS LOCK
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I gotta say, I think Day[9] would make a good commentator. He commentates well in the live reports thread, and he is apparently related to a commentator, so he has a basis for comparison. I hope this works out well
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is awesome32277 Posts
On January 25 2008 12:25 Day[9] wrote:
i wanna be the guest
i promise my voice will be in ALL CAPS LOCK
Yes :D
edit: capslock
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On January 25 2008 12:32 CDRdude wrote:I gotta say, I think Day[9] would make a good commentator. He commentates well in the live reports thread, and he is apparently related to a commentator, so he has a basis for comparison. I hope this works out well
I just posted this in a blog:
On January 25 2008 13:11 SonuvBob wrote:
Phyre/Atrioc: Day and Nony did a commentary on the GOM S1 finals (Savior vs Bisu), I recommend you try those, since their styles complement each other well. I can upload the audio and/or video if you want.
I don't remember if they were done live.
Day pretty much sounds like he was born to do commentary.
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On January 25 2008 08:37 Chill wrote:
Thanks for the encouragement Mani!
THEY'RE ALL GONNA LAUGH AT YOU!
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On January 25 2008 13:14 SonuvBob wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2008 13:11 SonuvBob wrote:
Phyre/Atrioc: Day and Nony did a commentary on the GOM S1 finals (Savior vs Bisu), I recommend you try those, since their styles complement each other well. I can upload the audio and/or video if you want.
I don't remember if they were done live. Day pretty much sounds like he was born to do commentary.
Where can I find those commentaries?
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On January 25 2008 12:08 f10esqftw wrote:Thinly veiled. Despite which, I'm looking forward to this. Let me know if you want any help/advice on the technical side of things.
No ones trying to veil anything lol
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
LIVE PROLEAGUE FINALS INTERPRETIVE DANCE
PELVIC THRUSTS = ZERGLING RUSH
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On January 25 2008 13:39 Carefree Me wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2008 13:14 SonuvBob wrote:On January 25 2008 13:11 SonuvBob wrote:
Phyre/Atrioc: Day and Nony did a commentary on the GOM S1 finals (Savior vs Bisu), I recommend you try those, since their styles complement each other well. I can upload the audio and/or video if you want.
I don't remember if they were done live. Day pretty much sounds like he was born to do commentary. Where can I find those commentaries?
mp3s (sync w/youtube vods or whatever): http://massmirror.com/729d04066be1787d229ec546e441bb8f.html
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Good luck guys.
Hopefully this will be awesome
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On January 25 2008 12:25 Day[9] wrote:
i want to be in on the commentary
pretty pretty please
IF DAYS IN IM GONNA LISTEN!!!!!
You and your brother were made to commentate sc
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Osaka27154 Posts
On January 25 2008 13:44 HonestTea wrote:
LIVE PROLEAGUE FINALS INTERPRETIVE DANCE
PELVIC THRUSTS = ZERGLING RUSH
BURROW BURROW BURROW
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Chill / GTR -- Thank you for planning this!!
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On January 25 2008 13:49 SonuvBob wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2008 13:39 Carefree Me wrote:On January 25 2008 13:14 SonuvBob wrote:On January 25 2008 13:11 SonuvBob wrote:
Phyre/Atrioc: Day and Nony did a commentary on the GOM S1 finals (Savior vs Bisu), I recommend you try those, since their styles complement each other well. I can upload the audio and/or video if you want.
I don't remember if they were done live. Day pretty much sounds like he was born to do commentary. Where can I find those commentaries? mp3s (sync w/youtube vods or whatever): http://massmirror.com/729d04066be1787d229ec546e441bb8f.html
Or watch them on youtube.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On January 25 2008 21:00 Late wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2008 13:49 SonuvBob wrote:On January 25 2008 13:39 Carefree Me wrote:On January 25 2008 13:14 SonuvBob wrote:On January 25 2008 13:11 SonuvBob wrote:
Phyre/Atrioc: Day and Nony did a commentary on the GOM S1 finals (Savior vs Bisu), I recommend you try those, since their styles complement each other well. I can upload the audio and/or video if you want.
I don't remember if they were done live. Day pretty much sounds like he was born to do commentary. Where can I find those commentaries? mp3s (sync w/youtube vods or whatever): http://massmirror.com/729d04066be1787d229ec546e441bb8f.html Or watch them on youtube. + Show Spoiler +
Those Day/Nony commentaries aren't live.
Doing commentaries live is significantly more difficult than doing them afterwards, when you already know the results and have a sense of the game. Making them entertaining, even more so. Which is why Tasteless and Klaz stand head and shoulders above the rest for live commentary.
Looking forward to these Proleague Finals commentaries.
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How would this be broadcasted? Through a stream with video i hope.. thers nothing worse then image w/o audio or vice versa.
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I think, for example, Klaz is good and all although I dont think he should talk that fast all the time.
He doesn't have to tell us everything that is going on all the time since we are actually watching it ourselves.
Pretty much like the difference between listening to a sports-commentator on the radio vs listening to a sports-commentator on TV, if you understand what I mean...
This is just me trying to give some constructive critisism. I think they're doing a good job and I dont want them to quit doing it. But please think about this.
EDIT: also don't take this the wrong way. I don't mean that you can't scream OMG THAT SHUTTLE JUST DIED. If you think so, then please listen to a game on the radio then on TV and think about the difference.
Sorry if i used poor English, I'm tired.
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On January 26 2008 07:42 pallokim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2008 21:00 Late wrote:On January 25 2008 13:49 SonuvBob wrote:On January 25 2008 13:39 Carefree Me wrote:On January 25 2008 13:14 SonuvBob wrote:On January 25 2008 13:11 SonuvBob wrote:
Phyre/Atrioc: Day and Nony did a commentary on the GOM S1 finals (Savior vs Bisu), I recommend you try those, since their styles complement each other well. I can upload the audio and/or video if you want.
I don't remember if they were done live. Day pretty much sounds like he was born to do commentary. Where can I find those commentaries? mp3s (sync w/youtube vods or whatever): http://massmirror.com/729d04066be1787d229ec546e441bb8f.html Or watch them on youtube. + Show Spoiler + Those Day/Nony commentaries aren't live. Doing commentaries live is significantly more difficult than doing them afterwards, when you already know the results and have a sense of the game. Making them entertaining, even more so. Which is why Tasteless and Klaz stand head and shoulders above the rest for live commentary. Looking forward to these Proleague Finals commentaries.
lol? klaz/mole/digg aren't done live either
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On January 26 2008 09:14 ATeddyBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2008 07:42 pallokim wrote:On January 25 2008 21:00 Late wrote:On January 25 2008 13:49 SonuvBob wrote:On January 25 2008 13:39 Carefree Me wrote:On January 25 2008 13:14 SonuvBob wrote:On January 25 2008 13:11 SonuvBob wrote:
Phyre/Atrioc: Day and Nony did a commentary on the GOM S1 finals (Savior vs Bisu), I recommend you try those, since their styles complement each other well. I can upload the audio and/or video if you want.
I don't remember if they were done live. Day pretty much sounds like he was born to do commentary. Where can I find those commentaries? mp3s (sync w/youtube vods or whatever): http://massmirror.com/729d04066be1787d229ec546e441bb8f.html Or watch them on youtube. + Show Spoiler + Those Day/Nony commentaries aren't live. Doing commentaries live is significantly more difficult than doing them afterwards, when you already know the results and have a sense of the game. Making them entertaining, even more so. Which is why Tasteless and Klaz stand head and shoulders above the rest for live commentary. Looking forward to these Proleague Finals commentaries. lol? klaz/mole/digg aren't done live either
Klaz has done several live commentaries and Diggity has done a couple.
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I think whether they are done live or not is a moot point. If the commentators haven't seen the games before, their commentaries are fresh and exciting (whether or not they are commentating on the games as they happen, or delayed a short while).
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So is there going to be a live stream for this commentary? Any links?
I'm looking forward to it.
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So is this thing happening?
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51486 Posts
Ok, apparently Chill dogged me and Day and is now casting with Hot_Bid and Rekrul
So me and Day are pretty much thinking of scrapping this idea.
Also Kennigit and yubee are doing one =o
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Calgary25986 Posts
Dude I told you like fucking 4 days ago I was doing it with Hot_Bid + Steve. And you said you were doing it with Zulu and Day. Steve didn't want to do it so we subbed in Rekrul.
So it's going to be:
Chill + Hot_Bid + Rekrul doing one
GTR-2-Go + Day[9] possibly doing one
Kennigit + Yubee are still doing their singcast I believe
We are going to put up a stream and I will record it so we can upload it later.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Yubee we gonna start planning this? I mean....we are completely prepared and wont back out at the last minute.
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Holy shit Kennigit's red now O_o
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Calgary25986 Posts
ok new plan
streaming is too much work and i cant figure it out properly.
hot_bid suggested we just record a commentary afterwards which is what were going to do
so during the game well just enjoy the game, dicking around on vent like normal
and then afterwards we will record a commentary and release it.
sorry for people who were looking forward to otherwise but I think this way the commentary will come out better and we can enjoy the proleague finals without stream desync issues and shoutcasting issues
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On January 27 2008 12:15 Chill wrote:
ok new plan
streaming is too much work and i cant figure it out properly.
hot_bid suggested we just record a commentary afterwards which is what were going to do
so during the game well just enjoy the game, dicking around on vent like normal
and then afterwards we will record a commentary and release it.
sorry for people who were looking forward to otherwise but I think this way the commentary will come out better and we can enjoy the proleague finals without stream desync issues and shoutcasting issues
gay
dont watch live.
download the vods. and cast then. the first time you watch them.
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wtf? where is my post?
What is going down? is there gonna be any live commentary?
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Live commentary is a go (I hope).
Use this link for clicking in a browser:
http://89.46.37.126:8000/stream.m3u
Use this link in a media player (copy / paste it, don't click it in a browser). Should work in winamp, foobar, VLC, etc. Do NOT open this in your browser, it will just sit there forever trying to download and will not work. Use the one above if you have something setup to handle M3U.
+ Show Spoiler +http://89.46.37.126:8000/stream
NOTE: URLs may be subject to change if the load turns out to be too high for the server I have it on. If it suddenly goes down check back here.
Synchronizing your video with the audio will be a pain in the ass. Hopefully the guys doing the commentary will give us audio cues at various points, eg if there is an in-game timer visible, stating the time every so often will help people sync up. I can't help with this one .
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On January 27 2008 14:03 R1CH wrote:Live commentary is a go (I hope). Use this link for clicking in a browser: http://89.46.37.126:8000/stream.m3uUse this link in a media player (copy / paste it, don't click it in a browser). Should work in winamp, foobar, VLC, etc http://89.46.37.126:8000/streamNOTE: URLs may be subject to change if the load turns out to be too high for the server I have it on. If it suddenly goes down check back here. Synchronizing your video with the audio will be a pain in the ass. Hopefully the guys doing the commentary will give us audio cues at various points, eg if there is an in-game timer visible, stating the time every so often will help people sync up. I can't help with this one .
I opened it.. who did just talk who is doing the commentary on that url?
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Calgary25986 Posts
yea right now were just playing blood bath on vent so thats what youll hear
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Calgary25986 Posts
as r1ch said, the syncing side will be up to you
its impossible to get a stream thats consistently synced to everyone. well do the countdown and you can try to sync to that, but our major concern will be only syncing to each other
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So is it going to be you, Hot_bid and Rekrul?
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Rekrul?!
Oh god that'd be like a dream, hearing somone as experienced as him
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Who votes for me to stay awake and watch this :D?
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nice :D, now they are playing some metal music :S
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On January 27 2008 15:13 funKie wrote:
Who votes for me to stay awake and watch this :D?
damn i was thinking the same thing, but now im only two hours away so im just going to stay awake.
BTW i vote 
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
I think whoever has the metal music should put on Boys Like Girls - The Great Escape for laughs :p
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I'm looking forward to this. Is it likely to hold up under the demand?
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what is playing right now on the stream?
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I guess, I'll stay awake :D
Playing sc is soo much fun again ^^;
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Calgary25986 Posts
r1ch is playing music right now while we practise our casting
its going to be me, hot_bid featuring GTR and Kennigit (and intrigue if he decides to talk)
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51486 Posts
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Sh!t, headache attacking, I don't know if I'll make it in time t_t
I'll leave computer on and see if I can wake up at 4 am..
or not. bye <3
:D
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whats the prefered channel, OGN or MBC?
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On January 27 2008 16:27 anch wrote:
whats the prefered channel, OGN or MBC?
OGN has DAUM Player, which is much better quality and much more reliable
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I AM HYPED! Hope I can sync near the commentary, :D so excited
edit; oh wow, I was on page 1 -.- so what's going to happen?
ok no commentary just random talking then official commentary after VODs out? k
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Calgary25986 Posts
no were doing commentary
were practising right now =p
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can u guys post the playlist too? those are some damn good songs.
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OMFG i can'tttttttttttt wait! 5 minutes to go!
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wow i actually got my stream to work daum > gom ez
omg within temptation on other stream and random starcraft sound
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Bear with us as we get our streams set up and synced. Enjoy the music in the meantime :D
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SICK!!!!!! this will be my first live watching... if it works..
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10% luck 20% skiilll!!...
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
ima listen in
GOGO LECAF
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kennigit game is about to start! u guys ready yet?
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sweet stream working perfectly for daum and for commentary! :D
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Dont worry cousins, Finals are notorious for having long delays before the start. We will be with you guys shortly 
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You guys better not fail me.
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Braavos36379 Posts
is anyone currently listening to the stream?
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Hungary11300 Posts
yes. Something from Oasis playing?
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Nice, got a perfect Yaoyuan stream, and the commentary track going live as well, though it's just music right now.
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How suitable, the commentators are playing the proleague music.
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daum player and live commentary stream working perfect.. but music only... u guys there?
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On January 27 2008 17:10 Hot_Bid wrote:
is anyone currently listening to the stream?
522 people are, which just happens to be the number of people active on TL
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On January 27 2008 17:12 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:
daum player and live commentary stream working perfect.. but music only... u guys there?
Was wondering the same thing
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United States43069 Posts
Can you say what you can see on the stream right now so we know the delay on your commentary?
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Hungary11300 Posts
Is there anybody .... out there?
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don't worry guys, plus the games aren't even close to being started -_- stupid opening ceremony lol
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Braavos36379 Posts
we'll be there when the first game starts
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Yeah..commentators talking atm.
Now  Much is talking and crowd screams. Haha.
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Gotta let the purple-shirt squad finish up their spiel.
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Hungary11300 Posts
On January 27 2008 17:15 Hot_Bid wrote:
we'll be there when the first game starts
Ah cmon, make some offhand remarks about the players. And you can talk predictions, pre-hype, etc.
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So, how much of their budget does CJ spend on puffy fur-lined coats?
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hot bid chill whoever.. say something so we know u are there pls? just to see if we are on the same page?
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can we get translation with the introduction??
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On January 27 2008 17:18 anch wrote:
can we get translation with the introduction??
was thinking the same exact thing! come on guys!
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It would be nice if the commentators could give us cues as to where their stream is, so we can syncronize their commentary with our streams if they're ahead.
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For the love of christ isn't the live commentary enough for you guys?
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Anyone know how far behind YaoYuan streams are? Will the commentary be watchable with YY, or will I have to deal with the lagginess of MBC/OGN streams?
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Calgary25986 Posts
yes we are here, on the vent server. r1ch is waiting for the goahead to go live.
theres nothing going on that we have to say but we are practiced and ready
were going to wait until theyre closer to the start of the first game
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what I plan on doing is basically rewinding the commentary so that it coincides with what I'm seeing on my stream. However, it would be cool if we could get synchronized before the games start.
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:O! whos talking :B
Edit: It was hot_bid :B
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United States43069 Posts
I'm about 15 seconds behind on YY. How do I rewind the commentary 15 seconds?
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
yes i can hear everyone and chill isn't loud enough
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
Hot_Bid has a very sexy voice!
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Is it possible to rewind audio commentary to sync?
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On January 27 2008 17:24 Kwark wrote:
I'm about 15 seconds behind on YY. How do I rewind the commentary 15 seconds?
I'm running the stream in Realplayer, so I just slide it back.
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I have no stream 
is it possible to get vid through this one too?
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You're about 15 seconds ahead of YY
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im trying to catch yaoyuan but it doesnt start -.-
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i hear voices now
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I am in daum player and I am a little bit ahead.. the daum player is the one that plays the best
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I'm watching daum, so probably won't be able to tell compared to GOM until the game starts...
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On January 27 2008 17:25 bErAtEd- wrote:I have no stream is it possible to get vid through this one too?
No, this is an audio only stream...
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yaoyuan actually works for me
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I'm using R1CH's stream.
(HI COMMENTATORS :D :D :D)
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On January 27 2008 17:26 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2008 17:25 bErAtEd- wrote:I have no stream is it possible to get vid through this one too? No, this is an audio only stream...
Didn't know if they could use VLC to get it to restream out w/ vid too
N/m, its just vent, i'm using vlc to listen - thats why i was wishing
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
WOW young asian voice with aussie accent sounds ODD !!!!!!
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United States43069 Posts
zomg so Australian. Happy Australia day for yesterday. :D
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Actually, you're about 30 seconds ahead of YY, but I just Sync'd up with you guys by pausing you until I saw the CJ:Lefac comparision, and it's all good.
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fuck! im so way ahead.. i think more than 1 minute and everything T_T
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Im so behind the cast rofl
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On January 27 2008 17:28 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
WOW young asian voice with aussie accent sounds ODD !!!!!!
As a foreigner i can't understand anything of what that guy is talking xD
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United States43069 Posts
I refreshed my YY and I'm about 2 seconds behind you now. Looking good.
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On January 27 2008 17:28 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
WOW young asian voice with aussie accent sounds ODD !!!!!!
I know T_T xD
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Where do you go to get the YY stream?
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I think GOM is like way behind you guys...
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im like 15 seconds behind (using YY)
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just to let people know, Daum players ogn stream is a little over a minute faster than the commentating
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im streaming both GOM and YY lol
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
fuck, for some reason my stream has died and doesn't want to come back >.<
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United States43069 Posts
I'm now about 90 secs behind.
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The server is full, if some people could please disconnect (I know you don't want to), I need an open connection to add another server. If not I'll probably have to restart the whole server.
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SECOND SERVER:
+ Show Spoiler +http://74.86.154.2:8000/stream
Much love to those who disconnected .
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United States22883 Posts
JAEDONG > 2006 SAVIOR OMG
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Some scrubby terran amirite
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That was Kwanro vs Canata just last week wasn't it?
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United States43069 Posts
Savior vs Bifrost where the crowd tell him Savior went 4 pool. Bifrrost goes like 8 rax and still loses.
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I only recall the game vs upmagic where he did 2 2group muta harass but i dont think he ever teched to guardians 
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commentate on gameplay please
i cant watch the stream
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Hungary11300 Posts
When were the maps decided for the finals? It is sure that Lecaf could start practicing some maps, but in my opinion Jaedong was not seeded onto Python, he was seeded onto the FIRST POSSIBLE MAP, so he could pull his weight as early as possible.
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I hope someone's recording this. Gold.
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Yes, this is really good.
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streams behind on me.. that i really bad though
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The commentary was a little understandably dead between games but it absolutely rocked during the 2v2, great stuff, I learned a lot about the map and the 2v2 styles on it.
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Hungary11300 Posts
War3 scandal is old
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
I've never even played more than the wc3 sp campaign >.<
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Melbourne5338 Posts
canadians are taking over teamliquid. how many mods does canada have now?
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United States43069 Posts
3 British guys. It's incredible.
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Thanks for commentating guys!
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Thanks very much guys! I listened to the whole shoutcast while watching the games. Great work. I really hope you do this again sometime.
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Nice job, guys! 100% awesome!
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Commentary download (93 MiB)
http://vods.r1.cx/ProLeague 2007 Audio Commentary.zip
Note, this will be fairly hard to sync to a replay unfortunately, since only individual games are available, meaning the time will get skewed between games. But it should be manageable if you really want to try it .
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Melbourne5338 Posts
yay! i just want to listen to again :x
thats for all the work you do r1ch
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On January 27 2008 21:35 R1CH wrote:Commentary download (93 MiB) http://vods.r1.cx/ProLeague 2007 Audio Commentary.zipNote, this will be fairly hard to sync to a replay unfortunately, since only individual games are available, meaning the time will get skewed between games. But it should be manageable if you really want to try it .
Oh, does it mean you cut the part out, when our really appreciated commentators shared their experience on blood bath? I loved the part when Hot_Bid said "I 6 raxed, but couldn't place the bunker since the dronerush was already there" :D.
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Kennigit said that, Hot_Bid was the guy drone rushing him lol
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USA29055 Posts
pretty good job Chill has a nice voice actually, very laid back.
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51486 Posts
Anyone else with more comments, suggestions or criticisms? This is our first time together, and if the comments keep rolling in and the others are motivated to do it again I'm all up for it.
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On January 28 2008 10:24 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Anyone else with more comments, suggestions or criticisms? This is our first time together, and if the comments keep rolling in and the others are motivated to do it again I'm all up for it.
you need to say "you call that a knife? THIS is a knife"
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On January 28 2008 10:24 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Anyone else with more comments, suggestions or criticisms? This is our first time together, and if the comments keep rolling in and the others are motivated to do it again I'm all up for it.
I listened to the whole thing. It was pretty good overall, and I really liked the loads of strategical insight and such. My only complaint is that it seemed like you guys weren't excited enough at times, even when something huge happens in the match. For example, when Anytime makes his uber-ballsy game-deciding goon push into Darkelf's tanks, I just didn't feel as much enthusiasm coming from the commentary as I normally near from the Koreans, Tasteless, and other English commentary (Gentho/Artosis, Klaz, Diggity, Moletrap). If you just have one guy who calls out big plays and shows a lot of energy during those times, it would add a lot imo. Also, sometimes I thought it would be better if you didn't call the game so soon, even if it pretty much was over. It would be better imo, if you instead said "so and so has a huge advantage and it would be extremely difficult/take a miracle to come back from this". Overall, I really enjoyed the commentary and I hope to hear some more in the future.
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awesome awesome commentary. i had the commentary running in winamp and the vods in gomplayer and worked really well. just had to pause unpause the one which was a little faster then it would all be tip top synched.
man with this commentary and the subtitles things going on im really moved that we (you guys) are still able to put so much work into this game to make it so much better for the whole community.
thanks to all involved and it was really really helpful and interesting listening to you guys give your insights and analysis of the games live.
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Melbourne5338 Posts
The commentary through out the games was very informative and clear, however my suggestion would be to have more preperation done so you have something to talk about between games or when during the lulls in the game.
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Braavos36379 Posts
yeah we kind of just winged it, i had like maybe a comment or two jotted down for some of the matchups but we basically had no preparation.
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Great job guys, I enjoyed it.
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I'm trying to sync up the games and put them on youtube. It would be too much work to figure out what to do with all the talking in between games (as entertaining as it was), so I'm just going to sync up the games, mostly.
Anyway, I have the first game up already, and I'll be doing the rest this week when I find the time..
Game 1:
Part 1, Part 2
I guess I could come back and edit this post or make new replies, but it'd probably be easier for people to just keep an eye on the VioleTAK youtube account since I'll be uploading them there.
(youtube.com/VioleTAK)
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Washington, D.C9934 Posts
wow very nice moletrap! : ]
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Oh wow thanks alot for that Moletrap - really appreciated.
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51486 Posts
Such a shame Youtubers are so negative and hate us
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Zurich15352 Posts
Awesome stuff moletrap. Can't wait to get the rest of them.
The comments on Yt are already hilarious :-)
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Braavos36379 Posts
yeah i knew it'd be problematic about the excitement level as chill and i both aren't the most energetic of casters, but we didn't set out to really describe what was happening because we knew people were watching the streams and didn't need it. so we tried to focus on talking about what was going on rather than telling the audience what was going on, and it's pretty difficult to get excited about analysis.
listening to myself talk i found a ton of errors and ways to improve. i need to smooth out my delivery and think a bit more ahead of what i am saying. also, i had a ton more stuff to say but never did because i didn't plan out how to say stuff very well. still, it was our first time so hopefully we'll have opportunities to do better.
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I'll make a stylistic note in the video description for all of the people that are too used to me yelling, rambling, and making funny noises.
Game 2 is up.
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Calgary25986 Posts
Appreciate the feedback.
We consciously made the decision not to feign excitement but I think we took it WAY too far. I listened to it and we sound bored and boring for most of it. I think sometimes english casters sound fake in their excitement and that's why we decided to avoid that. But I think we really need to do the opposite and make a conscious decision to be excited or else you get monotone casting for three and a half hours. And we're not the most excitable people either. I expect Youtube to hate us since we sound WAY more amateurish than Moletrap/Diggity/Klazart, and we are boring to listen to and don't even call the play haha :X.
I think the back-and-forth between Hot_Bid and myself was a little too formulaic. If we had three people it would probably be better. Moletrap/Diggity, how did you guys decide who was going to talk when you did it? I was thinking of having the Vent chat open and whoever has something to say types 'next' or something. The problem with this is if no one types next, then who talks? Also the fact that we weren't really reading the chat. If we can solve this problem it might be interesting to just have a ton of commentators and have at 'er. Hmm on second thought that might be a disaster lol.
As for the in between games, Hot_Bid mentioned we should prepare stuff for that but I said I didn't even want to cast in between because I had nothing to say. I think Hot_Bid had random notes but other than that we just went in cold. I think we should have got more people just in the Vent so we could round-table reactions more. Kennigit helped a lot in that regards.
What do people think of the banter in between games? Would you prefer it to move more towards professionalism, setting up the next game, reviewing the past game, etc? Or move away, trash talking each other, talking about random shit, etc?
I think the actual meat of the commentary was good, despite the fact that I missed A LOT of stuff. after rewatching it. Somehow I didn't see that Evolution Chamber in the Kwanro game even though I was watching the game super closely. Obviously this commentary isn't going to appeal to the casual audience because the excitement levels are extremely low. I don't really care about that, but I feel like TL members would benefit from a little more excitement. I also blame the games, as there were 4 rapes, 1 decent 2v2, and a really nice game
I dunno, I'm just putting my thoughts down here so people can hopefully use them to add their own suggestions.
Thanks a lot Moletrap for taking the time to sync that, much appreciated.
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51486 Posts
I figured that Youtubers want more wpms (words per minute spoken)
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Calgary25986 Posts
"This is a commentary, not a sermon, nerds. Do whatever you wanna do, just don't do it on this account. Kthnxbye"
ahaha so good how can you even rebut that? lolol
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51486 Posts
On January 28 2008 23:12 Chill wrote:
"This is a commentary, not a sermon, nerds. Do whatever you wanna do, just don't do it on this account. Kthnxbye"
ahaha so good how can you even rebut that? lolol
man that kid is tough ;o
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Why don't you guys get someone else to do play by play? A guy like Klaz can basically spice up your commentaries ten fold.
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Calgary25986 Posts
Oh I also forgot to mention about "calling the game too soon". It really bugs me when commentators are like "he'll needed unbelievable play to come back" when the game is clearly over.
Basically I can sum up saying that the style of commentating I tried was a result of trying to fix errors I see others make, but we clearly took it too far in one direction. Hopefully we get a second chance to try again :D
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Braavos36379 Posts
On January 28 2008 23:21 YinYang69 wrote:
Why don't you guys get someone else to do play by play? A guy like Klaz can basically spice up your commentaries ten fold.
because people are watching the stream, and they don't need to be read what is happening. they can see that with their own eyes. if you have someone there calling the play just to "spice things up" then theres not enough time for actual analysis. i found after rewatching that there was a ton of stuff i missed and didn't say, and we barely had any dead time during the matches.
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On January 28 2008 23:21 YinYang69 wrote:
Why don't you guys get someone else to do play by play? A guy like Klaz can basically spice up your commentaries ten fold.
because we're mostly looking to focus more on strategy (because the action is right on your screen)
plus klazart has shown that his attitude stinks (http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=65577)
edit: lol hot_bid
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Calgary25986 Posts
On January 28 2008 23:21 YinYang69 wrote:
Why don't you guys get someone else to do play by play? A guy like Klaz can basically spice up your commentaries ten fold.
Something to look into... either changing ourselves or adding a third. I think we're afraid of the commentary being dominated by emotional play-by-play. We don't want people being read to them what's happening on the screen, but we took it too far not even mentioning when good moves were happening. Either way something needs to change.
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Analysis is nice and all and understandably you guys want it to be your focal point. But watching a starcraft match should also be entertaining, you don't want your audience member to fall asleep at their keyboards. Play by play gives the audience the ability to zone out, there's nothing wrong with having someone basically hand holding you and saying what's going on. A great emotional play by play can take a boring crap match like hiya vs much and make it presentable and worth watching. It'll elimate dead zone, cause since you sharing mic time, you'll be ready whenever you have something to say. There's really very little negative at all.
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Braavos36379 Posts
On January 29 2008 00:12 YinYang69 wrote:
Analysis is nice and all and understandably you guys want it to be your focal point. But watching a starcraft match should also be entertaining, you don't want your audience member to fall asleep at their keyboards. Play by play gives the audience the ability to zone out, there's nothing wrong with having someone basically hand holding you and saying what's going on. A great emotional play by play can take a boring crap match like hiya vs much and make it presentable and worth watching. It'll elimate dead zone, cause since you sharing mic time, you'll be ready whenever you have something to say. There's really very little negative at all.
I disagree. There's a huge negative. You're either catering toward a more general audience of people who don't really watch progaming much or you're aiming to provide insight that people who are more knowledgeable about promatches want to hear. Either way, one group will not be fully satisfied -- that's the negative.
A summary of the action is only a positive for those that want that kind of cast. It's perfectly fine to have that opinion. I'm not saying one type of cast is better than the other. I agree that we can inject more excitement, but bear with us, it was our first try. But to say that there's "little negative at all" to making emotional play-by-play is wrong -- it ignores the fact that we have a very different type of goal for our casting than others that summarize what is going on. Both ways are fine, just different.
There were a ton of things we missed or could have stated more eloquently. To fill a lot of that time up with saying what was happening is something that runs counter to our goals.
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On January 29 2008 00:16 Hot_Bid wrote:
I disagree. There's a huge negative. You're either catering toward a more general audience of people who don't really watch progaming much or you're aiming to provide insight that people who are more knowledgeable about promatches want to hear. Either way, one group will not be fully satisfied -- that's the negative.
A summary of the action is only a positive for those that want that kind of cast. It's perfectly fine to have that opinion. I'm not saying one type of cast is better than the other. I agree that we can inject more excitement, but bear with us, it was our first try. But to say that there's "little negative at all" to making emotional play-by-play is wrong -- it ignores the fact that we have a very different type of goal for our casting than others that summarize what is going on. Both ways are fine, just different.
There were a ton of things we missed or could have stated more eloquently. To fill a lot of that time up with saying what was happening is something that runs counter to our goals.
Plenty of people who don't play starcraft watch progaming and there's an influx of new blood and you know why? Cause of the passionate commentating that a few provide on youtube.
Even if you can give full analysis there were still be a tremedous amount of deadzone, this is assuming you don't take 20 seconds to finish a sentence, say ummm, uhh, ahh after every two words. Your goal of giving analytical match will not be jeopardize at all, and the few things you miss can alway be done at the pregame show or post game report when the Korean's show the replays.
To say both group can't be satisfy is just a faux. I'm sure plenty here wouldn't mind at all if a experience emotional play by play guy was assisting.
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United States11391 Posts
On January 29 2008 00:33 YinYang69 wrote:
To say both group can't be satisfy is just a faux. I'm sure plenty here wouldn't mind at all if a experience emotional play by play guy was assisting.
Sup Ascension?
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Listening to the Jaedong vs Iris game atm and its not bad, but honestly I don't see much if any more strategic insight than the other commentators who everyone seems to say have none. Maybe I'm not good enough to realize it but thats what I thought.
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I just watched Game 1, and it was decent. I hesitate to say if it really added that much to the overall experience though, strategically or otherwise (and definitely not emotionally )... perhaps you guys just didn't give enough credit to how brilliant Jaedong's play was that game despite his relatively ineffectual use of spire tech.
Really just preventing Iris's army from being able to win battles away from the center by defending perfectly using/abusing nydus mobility and swarms, keeping vessel counts within reason (plague on vessels + spore colony is an ingenious and simple way to stop free irradiates), and steadily and surely building his gas advantage.
Then again, analysis is far easier when you've seen the entire game before figuring out how he won.
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On January 29 2008 00:33 YinYang69 wrote:
Even if you can give full analysis there were still be a tremedous amount of deadzone, this is assuming you don't take 20 seconds to finish a sentence, say ummm, uhh, ahh after every two words. Your goal of giving analytical match will not be jeopardize at all, and the few things you miss can alway be done at the pregame show or post game report when the Korean's show the replays.
The only dead air I remember from the entire 3+ hours was between games. Having a play-by-play commentator basically guarantees that more important things will be missed.
It'd probably be best if HB and Chill just mention fairly significant things as they happen, instead of having a play-by-play guy or avoiding it altogether. It's a good way to transition to the strategical significance what's going on.
Also they should talk in Aussie accents the whole time.
On January 29 2008 02:14 Zortch wrote:
Listening to the Jaedong vs Iris game atm and its not bad, but honestly I don't see much if any more strategic insight than the other commentators who everyone seems to say have none. Maybe I'm not good enough to realize it but thats what I thought.
Apparently not. =/
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I enjoyed it.
It definitely catered to a different audience, though I worry that such an audience is impossible to cater to.
The crowd aiming for a higher degree of strategical insight tend to have a strategic mindset to start so its rare that you will be adding anything to their viewer experience. It also seems like the current gap between casual viewer and hardcore player seems to be rather narrow. Its either or and therefore the demand seems to be one direction or the other.
For the former play by play and talking about how players could potentially get back in the game is important (even though the likelihood of a comeback is narrow). I cant remember which game it was but Xeris and I were like .... yea he would need to expand like crazy or tech like mad to get back into this and both would either be lucky or suicidal.
Ultimate I worry about the <----insightful energetic----> scale as they seem to be mutually exclusive. I personally feel like klaz balances both in a way that other cant.
Different strokes for different folks I guess but the more that is out there the more likely someone will find something they enjoy which is the point (after all this is a game).
Thus I encourage anyone who feels like they can contribute to contribute. (posted how to video in the general forum)
On Klaz's behavior and the prior mess please confine comments to PMs. I think he responded in the same way that any other person would have responded in the same situation, so I hope that is kept in mind.
I'm not going to get into who is right and who is wrong because that doesn't solve anything. I would hope that all parties involved would resolve their issues now and make up so we can move forward together instead of dividing into camps, though I cant force anyone to do anything.
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Analytical commentary is, I think, better suited for post mortem casts where the commentators have all seen the game before and just want to explore it more in depth. For live commentary, people want to become emotionally involved in the action...that's the essence of spectator sports, and it's critical that this component be there. Play-by-play adds to this by creating a sort of rhythm, and connects the commentary to the game. Just doing analysis creates a detached air, which I think detracts from the overall experience.
I guess what I'm saying is that it's better to watch the game first with energetic commentary that balances play by play and some level of analysis and then watch it again later with a more in depth, but laid back, analytical commentary.
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On January 29 2008 00:16 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2008 00:12 YinYang69 wrote:
Analysis is nice and all and understandably you guys want it to be your focal point. But watching a starcraft match should also be entertaining, you don't want your audience member to fall asleep at their keyboards. Play by play gives the audience the ability to zone out, there's nothing wrong with having someone basically hand holding you and saying what's going on. A great emotional play by play can take a boring crap match like hiya vs much and make it presentable and worth watching. It'll elimate dead zone, cause since you sharing mic time, you'll be ready whenever you have something to say. There's really very little negative at all. I disagree. There's a huge negative. You're either catering toward a more general audience of people who don't really watch progaming much or you're aiming to provide insight that people who are more knowledgeable about promatches want to hear. Either way, one group will not be fully satisfied -- that's the negative. A summary of the action is only a positive for those that want that kind of cast. It's perfectly fine to have that opinion. I'm not saying one type of cast is better than the other. I agree that we can inject more excitement, but bear with us, it was our first try. But to say that there's "little negative at all" to making emotional play-by-play is wrong -- it ignores the fact that we have a very different type of goal for our casting than others that summarize what is going on. Both ways are fine, just different. There were a ton of things we missed or could have stated more eloquently. To fill a lot of that time up with saying what was happening is something that runs counter to our goals.
You need to learn to talk faster (high WPM) if you think you'll run out of time while doing both play-by-plays and analysis. Just watch Ascension, and there you'll find a perfect blend of commentary/analysis IMO, so it can evidently be done. Also, unless it's a ridiculously action packed game, there should always be some downtime when both players are just macroing/expanding where you can do plenty of analysis. Even if you decide not to do general play-by-plays throughout, I think when something potentially game changing happens you should always try to add emotion + play-by-plays, which would further emphasize the importance of what's happening to the viewer.
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I liked it, it will also get better i know! Being abit more enthusiastic won't hurt heh;)
keep it up!
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lol, yeah, I've found that since I've done more of it, I've found more to say, so I end up talking faster to get it all out..
I was actually impressed things went so smoothly between you guys, not talking over each other much at all. To answer your question, we've been experimenting with systems for when there's three of us. We tried having one "main" person (we'd switch every game) who would ask questions to pass things off to the other two and who had "interrupting rights" to call play by play if something happened. This kept things pretty organized, but some people said the questions interrupted the flow (which may not be as much of a problem for you guys). So lately we've been doing a 'round robin' style which has worked pretty well. I.e... commentator #1 talks, then commentator #2 talks, then #3, then 1, 2, etc... trying to keep the thoughts short and move on, only interrupting if the person talking has missed something major.
With two it's a lot easier because then, yeah, you can just start talking when the other guy stops. Piece of cake.
Anyways... I don't think you need to do dramatic play by play, but I you can still sound emotionally invested in your analysis. Just as a rhetorical example.... Instead of saying "OMG OMG the hydras get stormed!!!1" you can still be excited and say "OMG if he loses this battle he doesn't have enough hatcheries to rebuild his army fast enough!" Or instead of "Wow that was amazing micro!" you could say "Wow, if he hadn't D matrixed his vessels he'd be way too low on vessels right now".. or something. Then you're not reading the screen, as you say, and you're giving game analysis, but in an exciting manner. Analyzing the urgency of the situation, I guess... I think that's the way to satisfy "both groups."
As for forcing excitement, yeah, you don't want to sound forced... but I think that sometimes forcing yourself a little can at least help you open up a little bit so you will be more natural in the future. Honestly I think it just has to do with practicing enough to become comfortable talking and letting yourself go a little while doing so... I used to have to force it a lot more and that's the only reason I can see that I've gotten better at being natural. Over the course of Ascension, for instance, Artosis has opened up a little more every week and now he's pretty exciting to listen to.
Also... jokes are good. You could phrase your analysis comically... just an idea.
Game 3 is online, btw.
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CA10828 Posts
i really think that some more play-by-play should have been added. of course, the entire thing shouldn't be "ok now he's doing this... and then this... now this..."
but even when you watch the korean commentators there is one of them in charge of stating the things on the screen (usually the one who gets all excited)
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Hey, I found these commentaries very entertaining and enjoyable. For different reasons than the other commentaries by klaz, moletrap, etc. Their commentaries are more social and enthusiastic but yours is more technical.
I do have some suggestions for you though, and its not be more enthusiastic, I'm not even sure if that could work combined with technical analysis. As experts you guys give us alot of information, such as. "On this map, there is very little divergence. The players will go straight for muta and goliath with drop." (from http://youtube.com/watch?v=RLSni3iR7hA) This is very interesting, but people such as myself want to know more. I would like you to tell me why. Why is this strategy the best? What happens if the team had chosen a protoss instead? Did the pros always use this strategy, or what were some strategies that are now obsolete? This might be commonsense to you guys, but to I think alot of us are wondering those things. I don't mean for you to answer those questions now. Just try to keep an open mind to what those less knowledgeable than you are wondering and do more explanation of "why" when you do future commentaries - of which I hope to hear many more of.
Good luck,
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PS I originally meant to post this on youtube, but limit of 500 characters, then I found this topic with a ton of post, I hope you guys see it, and I apologize if this stuff has already been said in the first 10+ pages of comments.
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On January 29 2008 00:16 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2008 00:12 YinYang69 wrote:
Analysis is nice and all and understandably you guys want it to be your focal point. But watching a starcraft match should also be entertaining, you don't want your audience member to fall asleep at their keyboards. Play by play gives the audience the ability to zone out, there's nothing wrong with having someone basically hand holding you and saying what's going on. A great emotional play by play can take a boring crap match like hiya vs much and make it presentable and worth watching. It'll elimate dead zone, cause since you sharing mic time, you'll be ready whenever you have something to say. There's really very little negative at all. I disagree. There's a huge negative. You're either catering toward a more general audience of people who don't really watch progaming much or you're aiming to provide insight that people who are more knowledgeable about promatches want to hear. Either way, one group will not be fully satisfied -- that's the negative. A summary of the action is only a positive for those that want that kind of cast. It's perfectly fine to have that opinion. I'm not saying one type of cast is better than the other. I agree that we can inject more excitement, but bear with us, it was our first try. But to say that there's "little negative at all" to making emotional play-by-play is wrong -- it ignores the fact that we have a very different type of goal for our casting than others that summarize what is going on. Both ways are fine, just different. There were a ton of things we missed or could have stated more eloquently. To fill a lot of that time up with saying what was happening is something that runs counter to our goals.
Good post. For a first effort I think it was great. I'm way more interested in solid strategic analysis than the poor speculations and overly enthusiastic style that seems to be rampant in all of the other English language commentaries except for Artosis on Ascension.
I sincerely hope ya'll will do more of these in the future, and am confident that a good number (if not a majority) of TL members prefer the knowledgeable and thoughtful style that you're going for.
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I watched it last night but completely forgot to post. It was really nice hearing your collective insight. It was also kinda interesting because I downloaded the mbc vods, so the differences in what the cameras showed on the different channels became pretty apparent. There were some major things that you guys talked about that I didn't see, or things that I saw that you guys didn't comment on.
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Netherlands4511 Posts
I really enjoyed listening to the shoutcast, too bad rekrul was too embrassed for his girly voice to show up.
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Calgary25986 Posts
Hi. Just wanted to bump this to let people know we will be casting the Proleague Grand Finals on Saturday the 16th Korean time (Friday the 15th night North American time).
I've already gone through and read all the comments left in this thread, in PMs and on Youtube; however, if you have any further suggestions please post them here.
All the players from the past cast will be back: Hot_Bid, GTR-2-Go, Kennigit and myself. R1CH will be broadcasting the feed with a 1000 user limit this time (Hoho so get on early before those fill up quickly). We may be bringing on other casters to fill in the gaps in our commentary, and to help with their expertise during down time between games - It's something we're still looking into.
We'll be putting forth some more effort into improving and preparing, so again, if you have any suggestions, technical or personal, please post them here.
Thanks, and hope you tune in.
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hey guys can i be a third? I HAVE SO MUCH SPIRIT
ba dum tshhhh
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
WTF You have a tank? Congrats...i guess
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Zurich15352 Posts
Best BW-weekend ever? Yes, best BW-weekend ever.
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On February 13 2008 06:30 Kennigit wrote:
WTF You have a tank? Congrats...i guess
what. Jealous? JEALousssss???/
oh godplzdonthurtme
seriously though, i think i'd make an awesome fifth wheel.
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Belgium9947 Posts
Yeah I'd totally want to cocommetate too!
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w00t gonna be up earlie
foshizzle
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just watched both the games
GTR your australian accent is amazing
please talk more and not go afk after the first 30 seconds :x i love australiaaaa
yeah i kind of liked the chill chill and hot_Bid over klaz's enthusiam thing
i felt alot more tuned into the game than.. klaz's energy ( no offense )
good stuff guys looking forward to friday night
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