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On November 23 2025 02:50 Jealous wrote:
2012 Tving OSL
Couldn't be further from the truth; I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mixed it up with some other series and that this isn't just blatant revisionism for the sake of supporting your beliefs. It was actually a fairly brutal 3-0 stomp, where Fantasy was doing things in TvT that seemed pretty revolutionary at the time. I don't recall it ever feeling like Flash was ahead, in any game of the series.
2011%E2%80%932012 Proleague Season 1/Playoff
Actually, Fantasy also beat Flash in this Proleague finals, which is what allowed for an ace match victory for Bisu/SKT in the first place, as the series would have been 2-4 otherwise.
While it may be a stretch to call him a certified "Flash-killer" based on just these games, it definitely felt like it was trending towards that given how emphatic the 3-0 series win was, and given that he was 4-1 against Flash after the 2010 Bigfile MSL. Furthermore, Fantasy was just behind Flash in that season of Proleague as the #2 player, having 2 less games played.
2011%E2%80%932012 Proleague Season 1/Results
So, while he may not have been undeniably destined to replace Flash as #1, I don't think it's outside of the realm of imagination either, Jangbang or not. Further-furthermore, Fantasy technically was #1 at the end of the KeSPA era, above Bisu and Flash at #2 and #3 respectively, with Jangbi coming in at #4:
https://tl.net/tlpd/korean/players
On the topic of Jangbanging, even though Flash's 6-5 record against him is certainly better than Fantasy's 8-11, the only BoX series which Flash had with Jangbi was a 1-2 loss. Of course, we will never know, but in an alternate universe where Flash didn't get knocked out by Fantasy and Jangbi in the earlier rounds, it could have been Flash who got Jangbanged twice.
Given all of the above, I don't find the Jangbangening to be as big of a mark on Fantasy's late KeSPA era potential as you make it out to be.
2012 Tving OSLCouldn't be further from the truth; I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mixed it up with some other series and that this isn't just blatant revisionism for the sake of supporting your beliefs. It was actually a fairly brutal 3-0 stomp, where Fantasy was doing things in TvT that seemed pretty revolutionary at the time. I don't recall it ever feeling like Flash was ahead, in any game of the series.
2011%E2%80%932012 Proleague Season 1/PlayoffActually, Fantasy also beat Flash in this Proleague finals, which is what allowed for an ace match victory for Bisu/SKT in the first place, as the series would have been 2-4 otherwise.
While it may be a stretch to call him a certified "Flash-killer" based on just these games, it definitely felt like it was trending towards that given how emphatic the 3-0 series win was, and given that he was 4-1 against Flash after the 2010 Bigfile MSL. Furthermore, Fantasy was just behind Flash in that season of Proleague as the #2 player, having 2 less games played.
2011%E2%80%932012 Proleague Season 1/ResultsSo, while he may not have been undeniably destined to replace Flash as #1, I don't think it's outside of the realm of imagination either, Jangbang or not. Further-furthermore, Fantasy technically was #1 at the end of the KeSPA era, above Bisu and Flash at #2 and #3 respectively, with Jangbi coming in at #4:
https://tl.net/tlpd/korean/players
On the topic of Jangbanging, even though Flash's 6-5 record against him is certainly better than Fantasy's 8-11, the only BoX series which Flash had with Jangbi was a 1-2 loss. Of course, we will never know, but in an alternate universe where Flash didn't get knocked out by Fantasy and Jangbi in the earlier rounds, it could have been Flash who got Jangbanged twice.
Given all of the above, I don't find the Jangbangening to be as big of a mark on Fantasy's late KeSPA era potential as you make it out to be.
flash was training sc2 while fantasy and jangbi never were good in sc2 cause they were practicing brood war the whole time :smirk:
