EPTASL20 Pre-season Tier List ranking! - Page 3
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1533 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13358 Posts
S: Soulkey A: Snow, Best, Light, Hero, JD B: Bisu, Mini, Rush, Soma, Queen, Sharp C: Royal, Speed, JYJ, Larva D: Barracks, Stork, Effort, Ssak E: Ample, Mong, Ty, BTS F: Hyun, Saber, paralyze, Clam For me S: tournament favourite A: Genuine contender but weakness in one MU B: ro8/ro4 ceiling at best C: ro16 ceiling D: could make ro16 but prob won’t E and F: ro24 fodder. | ||
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TornadoSteve
1111 Posts
F: saber / hyun / calm / ty E: mong / stork / paralyze / ample D: true / larva / effort / barracks C: jyj / ssak / speed / bisu B: sharp / zero / jaedong / mini A: hero / soma / sorry / rush S: best / light / snow / soulkey | ||
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bw2ku
24 Posts
S: SK (how many ASL's in a row does he need to win to make a point?) A: Snow, Light, Best, Mini, Hero B: Rush, Bisu, Royal, Soma C: JD, Sharp, Speed, Queen, JYJ, Action D: Effort, Barracks, Mong, Ssak, Larva, Stork, Shuttle Soma hasn't been back long enough to place super accurately. Anyone else not mentioned would be E or lower. | ||
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pseudosignal
45 Posts
On August 16 2025 11:59 bw2ku wrote: Anyone putting Soulkey lower than S tier is completely delusional. S: SK (how many ASL's in a row does he need to win to make a point?) A: Snow, Light, Best, Mini, Hero B: Rush, Bisu, Royal, Soma C: JD, Sharp, Speed, Queen, JYJ, Action D: Effort, Barracks, Mong, Ssak, Larva, Stork, Shuttle Soma hasn't been back long enough to place super accurately. Anyone else not mentioned would be E or lower. Action/Shuttle aren't in this ASL. Bisu/Rush same tier? | ||
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bw2ku
24 Posts
On August 16 2025 14:15 pseudosignal wrote: Action/Shuttle aren't in this ASL. Bisu/Rush same tier? I missed the qualifiers and didn't know they were eliminated. But yes, same tier. Doesn't mean I think Bisu is as in-form as Rush though, he's just definitely ahead of the others in tiers beneath. | ||
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iopq
United States1068 Posts
On August 13 2025 05:53 zutt0 wrote: I'll give you the matchup spread and you tell me if it's obvious that one of these players is significantly better than the other: Soulkey: Player A: 1-2 Player B: 3-6 Hero: Player A: 1-0 Player B: 8-2 Queen: Player A: 4-2 Player B: 25-24 Light: Player A: 0-1 Player B: 1-2 Rush: Player A: 1-7 Player B: 2-3 Royal: Player A: 11-7 Player B: 5-3 Snow: Player A: 2-3 Player B: 3-15 Best Player A: 7-1 Player B: 10-12 Mini: Player A: 5-10 Player B: 12-22 I'd say that Player A is clearly better against Protoss, Player B is better against Teran, and they're pretty comparable against Zerg. But the big difference is that I have a lot more data for Player B than for Player B. I'm confident Player B will perform quite well. Player B isn't going to win the tournament, but they definitely have a solid shot of getting into Ro8 and, with a little luck, Ro4. There is a chance Player A is going to do really well and make the finals, but there's also a chance they drown in Ro24 or early in Ro16. If I gave you the choice of two bets, one that's an even chance between getting $10, $55, and $100 and another that gives you $55 for sure, most people would take the sure thing. That's how I feel about Sharp versus Soma. They look about equal to me in expected value, but Sharp is much more of a known quantity, so I put him ahead. + Show Spoiler + This is what I'm talking about when I say people put too much faith in small sample sizes. If you look at statistics, you want to disprove the null hypothesis which is the claim that both players are equal. When you look at a sample size of dozens of games and win rates close to 50%, you cannot disprove the null hypothesis. Using the student's t distribution, we see that this exact record can happen by chance at 27%, which at any normal p value like 0.05 or even 0.10 cannot reject the null hypothesis | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1201 Posts
On August 11 2025 08:36 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: As is tradition, a tier list to rank the players based on their perceived power levels going into the Round of 24 of ASL20! Link: Click here My list based on their current performances + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/3V8QeK4.png) my post ASL adjusted power rankings. Shuffled quite a lot of players around. will keep in spoiler tag for those who have not yet watched the finals + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/UIy5WtF.png) | ||
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