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Old legends coming back.
2 chinese players getting into qualifiers finals…
Is this the reason no chinese players in Bsl?
A lot of new faces in ASL
Protos players basicly only top players.
It is pretty hard to call, if this is season actually is higher skill level than last season. Because there are so many new players and old faces.
But if we look at the zerg line up, it is hard not to say there is the best of zerg of the past 10 years…
It is a shame that Flash isnt playing. But it is basicly impossible for Soulkey to win this season…
Rain and Flash would make this season like the best…
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On August 03 2025 19:18 Stopthevirtualaddict wrote:
Old legends coming back.
2 chinese players getting into qualifiers finals…
Is this the reason no chinese players in Bsl?
A lot of new faces in ASL
Protos players basicly only top players.
It is pretty hard to call, if this is season actually is higher skill level than last season. Because there are so many new players and old faces.
But if we look at the zerg line up, it is hard not to say there is the best of zerg of the past 10 years…
It is a shame that Flash isnt playing. But it is basicly impossible for Soulkey to win this season…
Based on map pool, whole Zerg race rising to dethrone him and himself declining or keeping up. It takes a toll staying on the top.
Rain and Flash would make this season like the best…
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Im really happy to see effort and larva have made it. So entertaining to watch these gosus play.
And yeah we were so close like never before seeing a non-korean in ASL. Mihu & Fengzhi
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Qualifier ended just a few hours ago, not everyone follows it live.
Give it atleast half a day to have people catch up.
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There are three different threads about the qualifiers right now (+ one about ASL20 in general which also includes quali discussion)
Maybe open your eyes instead of making these garbage threads?
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Dewalt 3-0 Fengzi the other day, your chinese finalist, while Dewalt got eliminated in early stages another day.
From my perspective it's just a random tournament, where you get results depending on the bracket you got.
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On August 03 2025 21:45 Bonyth wrote:
Dewalt 3-0 Fengzi the other day, your chinese finalist, while Dewalt got eliminated in early stages another day.
From my perspective it's just a random tournament, where you get results depending on the bracket you got.
Absolutely and the organisers always give the streamers (ty, sea when he s there) a super easy group while you get crazy stacked others as a result
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On August 03 2025 21:59 WGT-Baal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2025 21:45 Bonyth wrote:
Dewalt 3-0 Fengzi the other day, your chinese finalist, while Dewalt got eliminated in early stages another day.
From my perspective it's just a random tournament, where you get results depending on the bracket you got. Absolutely and the organisers always give the streamers (ty, sea when he s there) a super easy group while you get crazy stacked others as a result
Half the groups were pretty badly made this year, again.
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On August 03 2025 21:23 Kreuger wrote:
Qualifier ended just a few hours ago, not everyone follows it live.
Give it atleast half a day to have people catch up.
In the spirit of sassyness which permeates the thread at this point, why are you looking in such threads if u don't want to be spoiled? ^_____._____^ It's not like any results were posted in the title (if they were I would agree and the thread would prolly be deleted anyway)
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The achievements of Chinese players today are attributed to the daily organization of the China-South Korea events.
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On August 03 2025 21:45 Bonyth wrote:
Dewalt 3-0 Fengzi the other day, your chinese finalist, while Dewalt got eliminated in early stages another day.
From my perspective it's just a random tournament, where you get results depending on the bracket you got.
It's a bit like the stock market being a voting machine in the short run, and a weighing machine in the long run. Those who keep up with the fundamentals will eventually be rewarded. Those who are skeptical will be left in the dust.
Also don't underestimate the challenge in any group -- the first opponent alone Fengzi beat in the group, Youngjoo, would have easily dominated the vast majority (99%) of all non-Koreans.
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On August 03 2025 21:45 Bonyth wrote:
Dewalt 3-0 Fengzi the other day, your chinese finalist, while Dewalt got eliminated in early stages another day.
From my perspective it's just a random tournament, where you get results depending on the bracket you got.
Bold claim…
Specially considering the guys that always get in.
I guess it is a bit random, for the bracket you get into… No point in devaluing ASL though… Or are tournaments like BSL less random in your perspective?
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On August 04 2025 01:02 jindi5 wrote:
The achievements of Chinese players today are attributed to the daily organization of the China-South Korea events.
Looking forward to how this will affect the future achievements!
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On August 04 2025 02:16 Stopthevirtualaddict wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2025 21:45 Bonyth wrote:
Dewalt 3-0 Fengzi the other day, your chinese finalist, while Dewalt got eliminated in early stages another day.
From my perspective it's just a random tournament, where you get results depending on the bracket you got. Bold claim… Specially considering the guys that always get in. I guess it is a bit random, for the bracket you get into… No point in devaluing ASL though… Or are tournaments like BSL less random in your perspective?
I meant the qualifiers only.
Because of lack of seeding system for it, I don't won't to acknowledge author's claim about 'crazy qualifiers'.
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On August 03 2025 19:18 Stopthevirtualaddict wrote:But if we look at the zerg line up, it is hard not to say there is the best of zerg of the past 10 years…
Action, Shine and ZeLoT comes to mind
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Never understood the hype behind Rain, his most advanced strategy is to make one DT I swear.
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On August 04 2025 16:57 iFU.pauline wrote:
Never understood the hype behind Rain, his most advanced strategy is to make one DT I swear.
During the KSL era he was very successful, and can still show really great play. He makes at least the Ro8 almost every time he participates (just made the semifinals 2 ASLs ago). He just doesn't have the drive required to be fully competitive any more.
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On August 04 2025 23:31 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2025 16:57 iFU.pauline wrote:
Never understood the hype behind Rain, his most advanced strategy is to make one DT I swear. During the KSL era he was very successful, and can still show really great play. He makes at least the Ro8 almost every time he participates (just made the semifinals 2 ASLs ago). He just doesn't have the drive required to be fully competitive any more.
Participating in ASL barely makes any money compared to streaming, unless you got a big fanbase willing to splurge on you achieving certain things in ASL. Soulkey got lots of donos for winning a 4th time, and others have also gotten lots of donos. But generally ASL costs more than it makes for player, because its a lost day or days of streaming.
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On August 04 2025 02:16 Stopthevirtualaddict wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2025 21:45 Bonyth wrote:
Dewalt 3-0 Fengzi the other day, your chinese finalist, while Dewalt got eliminated in early stages another day.
From my perspective it's just a random tournament, where you get results depending on the bracket you got. Bold claim… Specially considering the guys that always get in. I guess it is a bit random, for the bracket you get into… No point in devaluing ASL though… Or are tournaments like BSL less random in your perspective?
BSL as a tournament is less random because the skill disparity is bigger - and the qualifier is less random because it has consistently included a ladder option where the top players will always make it as long as they play enough games.
It is true that some of the same top players consistently make it through the qualifiers, though, and that's a testament to their skill. But if you're looking at players outside the top ~8, whether they make it to the top 24 or not is well.. I don't think 'random' is the right word, but chance is a big factor. I think quite a few of the final matches that went 2-1 could probably go the other way nearly 50% of the time, and someone like Hyun had to beat Sacsri and Free to make it (and he did), while huro ran into Soma and Queen (and lost both finals).
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Agreed. And since the players pool is growing every season, the most obvious way to solve it is to make it RO52 and it would be awesome.
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