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BSL 2025 - Big Changes, Weekly Tours & more

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BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic627 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-28 15:27:33
January 28 2025 15:24 GMT
#29
On January 28 2025 22:54 iG.Casper wrote:
eon is really 100% ban players is so stupid... for nothing like me ... thats why i dont respect this league ... why ban chines players?lul its very bad idea... need invite koreans too ...


what bugs me is the lag comment, like why would you ban someone for lag reasons? aren't both players having lag? so they are on equal footing,

i would ban someone cheating but for lag? at least allow certain amount of chinese players that do want to participate and dont ban the whole country,.

the main reason people from outside Asia (China) player dont engage that much with Chinese brood war scene is because of the language barrier not because of lag.

How may help u?
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10397 Posts
January 28 2025 17:09 GMT
#30
On January 29 2025 00:24 BonitiilloO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2025 22:54 iG.Casper wrote:
eon is really 100% ban players is so stupid... for nothing like me ... thats why i dont respect this league ... why ban chines players?lul its very bad idea... need invite koreans too ...


what bugs me is the lag comment, like why would you ban someone for lag reasons? aren't both players having lag? so they are on equal footing,

i would ban someone cheating but for lag? at least allow certain amount of chinese players that do want to participate and dont ban the whole country,.

the main reason people from outside Asia (China) player dont engage that much with Chinese brood war scene is because of the language barrier not because of lag.


The lag issue is for viewer experience and competitive integrity. Players have been having issues with too much lag to Chinese players during BSL tournament and viewers also don't want to watch a lag fest either where mistakes are made by both players. This isn't a "well, they both have lag so it evens out" argument, it's a "this sucks to play for the players and sucks for the viewers who get a worse viewing product".

As for Chinese players wanting to engage but can't because of language barrier, how do you know this? I haven't seen them try to interact with the foreign community at all.
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EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1600 Posts
January 28 2025 17:27 GMT
#31
On January 29 2025 00:24 BonitiilloO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2025 22:54 iG.Casper wrote:
eon is really 100% ban players is so stupid... for nothing like me ... thats why i dont respect this league ... why ban chines players?lul its very bad idea... need invite koreans too ...


what bugs me is the lag comment, like why would you ban someone for lag reasons? aren't both players having lag? so they are on equal footing,

i would ban someone cheating but for lag? at least allow certain amount of chinese players that do want to participate and dont ban the whole country,.

the main reason people from outside Asia (China) player dont engage that much with Chinese brood war scene is because of the language barrier not because of lag.


Both players are experiencing lag, sure. But how is it equal footing when the lagger always has home field advantage? Meaning every single game they play in is laggy, giving them a big micro advantage as they are used to the lag. It's normal for them. The non lagger has to adjust their micro timings to the lag which is easier said than done.
dM-White
Profile Joined February 2007
Chile341 Posts
January 28 2025 21:43 GMT
#32
All those nuked posts are from chineses? haha

Finally ZZZero banned china, congratz!

Long life BSL
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BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic627 Posts
January 29 2025 03:56 GMT
#33
On January 29 2025 02:09 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2025 00:24 BonitiilloO wrote:
On January 28 2025 22:54 iG.Casper wrote:
eon is really 100% ban players is so stupid... for nothing like me ... thats why i dont respect this league ... why ban chines players?lul its very bad idea... need invite koreans too ...


what bugs me is the lag comment, like why would you ban someone for lag reasons? aren't both players having lag? so they are on equal footing,

i would ban someone cheating but for lag? at least allow certain amount of chinese players that do want to participate and dont ban the whole country,.

the main reason people from outside Asia (China) player dont engage that much with Chinese brood war scene is because of the language barrier not because of lag.


The lag issue is for viewer experience and competitive integrity. Players have been having issues with too much lag to Chinese players during BSL tournament and viewers also don't want to watch a lag fest either where mistakes are made by both players. This isn't a "well, they both have lag so it evens out" argument, it's a "this sucks to play for the players and sucks for the viewers who get a worse viewing product".

As for Chinese players wanting to engage but can't because of language barrier, how do you know this? I haven't seen them try to interact with the foreign community at all.


how many outside china know chinese? so u want them to approach u, what about us from outside china taking the approach?
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cRoSsyy
Profile Joined December 2023
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-29 06:12:15
January 29 2025 06:06 GMT
#34
On January 29 2025 12:56 BonitiilloO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2025 02:09 FlaShFTW wrote:
On January 29 2025 00:24 BonitiilloO wrote:
On January 28 2025 22:54 iG.Casper wrote:
eon is really 100% ban players is so stupid... for nothing like me ... thats why i dont respect this league ... why ban chines players?lul its very bad idea... need invite koreans too ...


what bugs me is the lag comment, like why would you ban someone for lag reasons? aren't both players having lag? so they are on equal footing,

i would ban someone cheating but for lag? at least allow certain amount of chinese players that do want to participate and dont ban the whole country,.

the main reason people from outside Asia (China) player dont engage that much with Chinese brood war scene is because of the language barrier not because of lag.


The lag issue is for viewer experience and competitive integrity. Players have been having issues with too much lag to Chinese players during BSL tournament and viewers also don't want to watch a lag fest either where mistakes are made by both players. This isn't a "well, they both have lag so it evens out" argument, it's a "this sucks to play for the players and sucks for the viewers who get a worse viewing product".

As for Chinese players wanting to engage but can't because of language barrier, how do you know this? I haven't seen them try to interact with the foreign community at all.


how many outside china know chinese? so u want them to approach u, what about us from outside china taking the approach?



Chinese players or fans are not interested in our scene at all. They are interested in korean scene and they have 0 interest in us. As full time sc players who earn their livings by playing games, why would they be interested in foreign scene where 1-2 full time gamers and almost no one sponsors their players? They play this game for their living, and only reason they play bsl is because prizepool is decent.
ZZZero.O
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland1605 Posts
January 29 2025 16:48 GMT
#35
On January 27 2025 07:12 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Good changes based in what the majority of players wanted. Hopefully those that quit playing cuz of the chinese participation will be back now. Also many side events this time. Sziky cant really complain about the lack of opportunities this time :D

That said free Dandy free Casper !

Even free G5 LOL.

The scene need more players not ban them.


TBH, I though about unbaning Dandy and Casper, to give everyone fresh start with fresh rules. I even told Dewalt, that if Casper will apologize to me and bsl publicly and act well, he can play in NW and BSL. I told UltrA the same thing to say to Dandy, as he asked about him for Nation Wars.
G5 was banned for only one season, he can play if he wants to.
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iG.Casper
Profile Joined October 2015
14 Posts
January 29 2025 20:48 GMT
#36
@zzzero okay bro stop bm sorry gl in bsl hf , gl all in next season may be im back in some winter
BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic627 Posts
January 30 2025 04:21 GMT
#37
i mean any one should have a second change in life to anything, unban players and see how it goes.
How may help u?
NtStreamline
Profile Joined January 2025
9 Posts
January 30 2025 12:01 GMT
#38
Where is the guide on playing the ladder stage on b.net ?
ZZZero.O
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland1605 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-30 15:22:30
January 30 2025 15:00 GMT
#39
https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/635096-bsl-2025-nation-wars-season-2

Week 1 lineup (casted this Friday and Sunday):
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BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic627 Posts
January 30 2025 18:00 GMT
#40
On January 31 2025 00:00 ZZZero.O wrote:
https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/635096-bsl-2025-nation-wars-season-2

Week 1 lineup (casted this Friday and Sunday):
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so low count on terran side, sad for me.
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PaSs[ReV]
Profile Joined August 2024
5 Posts
January 31 2025 04:44 GMT
#41
Awesome!
Gogo BSL!
PaSs[ReV]
Profile Joined August 2024
5 Posts
January 31 2025 04:47 GMT
#42
On January 28 2025 22:58 iG.Casper wrote:
This Polish dude Zero bought alcohol for everyone in front of the gym in Moscow, this is not athletic behavior. even after such actions, this dude does not command respect.


What a GigaChad Zero is! Bring alcohol for everyone!
NtStreamline
Profile Joined January 2025
9 Posts
February 03 2025 09:30 GMT
#43
How b.net ladder stage works? Don't understand.
LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1790 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-03 20:53:20
February 03 2025 20:52 GMT
#44
On February 03 2025 18:30 NtStreamline wrote:
How b.net ladder stage works? Don't understand.


The same as always. We'll post more information once the ladder stage starts You haven't missed anything in regards to the bnet ladder so far.
LML
Sweden-Celidar
Profile Joined November 2002
Sweden484 Posts
February 22 2025 12:59 GMT
#45
sweet!
ZZZero.O
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland1605 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-22 13:09:40
February 22 2025 13:09 GMT
#46
🚀 BSL 2025 Weekly Tour #3 is today🎮🔥
🗓 Saturday at 19:00 CET
🏆 $75 + BSL 2025 Points
🎯 Double elimination, bo1, wb &lb finals bo3, finals bo5 - open to all players
💬 SIGN UP: https://challonge.com/pl/BSL2025Weekly3
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A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden536 Posts
March 02 2025 12:47 GMT
#47
Very nice that you're using shield battery.
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1079 Posts
March 29 2025 18:25 GMT
#48
On January 29 2025 02:27 EndingLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2025 00:24 BonitiilloO wrote:
On January 28 2025 22:54 iG.Casper wrote:
eon is really 100% ban players is so stupid... for nothing like me ... thats why i dont respect this league ... why ban chines players?lul its very bad idea... need invite koreans too ...


what bugs me is the lag comment, like why would you ban someone for lag reasons? aren't both players having lag? so they are on equal footing,

i would ban someone cheating but for lag? at least allow certain amount of chinese players that do want to participate and dont ban the whole country,.

the main reason people from outside Asia (China) player dont engage that much with Chinese brood war scene is because of the language barrier not because of lag.


Both players are experiencing lag, sure. But how is it equal footing when the lagger always has home field advantage? Meaning every single game they play in is laggy, giving them a big micro advantage as they are used to the lag. It's normal for them. The non lagger has to adjust their micro timings to the lag which is easier said than done.


it's not the case for China because I usually get 24 TR to Koreans when I'm staying in China

I only get lag with people on the other side of the world (the Americas and Europe, both quite far)
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