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MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-27 05:47:52
March 27 2024 05:47 GMT
#1
As i just had a 'beef' with Kudos / zen_bw i gotta ask:

Poll: Easiest race to play, period.

You must be logged in to vote in this poll.

☐ T
☐ Z
☐ P



Choose one, no comments, no nothing, free interpretation of easy and what it applies to, does it apply to pros? To you? You decide. Just choose the race that comes to mind when you read poll title.

Dont read comments before you choose. Choose fast before someone changes your mind.

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FinsT
Profile Joined March 2024
32 Posts
March 27 2024 05:53 GMT
#2
'toss lead with 2:0:0 so far. Dragoon spam 4ever? :D
Agh
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1018 Posts
March 27 2024 05:53 GMT
#3
What does "play" mean? Is this centered around winning?

If 'winning' is the focus, I'd say zerg.

If we're talking about being able to have a basic idea of what is going on and a new player just picking up the game, probably terran.

otherwise protoss.
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FinsT
Profile Joined March 2024
32 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-27 06:04:53
March 27 2024 06:04 GMT
#4
On March 27 2024 14:53 Agh wrote:
What does "play" mean? Is this centered around winning?

If 'winning' is the focus, I'd say zerg.

If we're talking about being able to have a basic idea of what is going on and a new player just picking up the game, probably terran.

otherwise protoss.

He said "easiest to play" man. Easiest means most easy. Easy means the opposite of difficult.

Jokes aside, zerg can't be easiest in BW - effective larva management is way more difficult than other races' production, this alone rules zerg out. Besides, mutas and lings are heaviest micro in the game, too.

So, toss or terran? Production pretty similar difficulty-wise, but units are easier for toss: marines have the stim button but dragoons just go; battlecruisers have yamato cannon, but carriers just go (ok, need to build interceptors 1st, but that's done outta combat, so easier); siege tanks require timely siege button press in a good location and can't move while at it, but reavers just go (again, with charges pre-built outta combat).

But the nail in the coffin? Shields which regen and shield batteries which regen shields super pronto. Wanna easy times, slap an extra shield battery here and there, right? It works! Well, sometimes, at least. :D
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
March 27 2024 06:04 GMT
#5
On March 27 2024 14:53 Agh wrote:
What does "play" mean? Is this centered around winning?

If 'winning' is the focus, I'd say zerg.

If we're talking about being able to have a basic idea of what is going on and a new player just picking up the game, probably terran.

otherwise protoss.


So what did you choose? Its free interpretation whats your opinion of easy and race in the same sentence
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iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1016 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-27 06:13:04
March 27 2024 06:08 GMT
#6
On March 27 2024 14:53 Agh wrote:
What does "play" mean? Is this centered around winning?

If 'winning' is the focus, I'd say zerg.

If we're talking about being able to have a basic idea of what is going on and a new player just picking up the game, probably terran.

otherwise protoss.


When I offrace, I lose horribly with Terran and often win with Protoss

You CAN just make a death ball of dryad/bear throwing in fairy dr... I mean dragoon/zealot and throw in some templars and go win. Try just attack moving siege tanks vs. Protoss or running into lurkers vs. Zerg

Protoss is truly the Night Elf of Brood War

can't comment on Zerg because I usually win with mutas in every matchup, except to say Zerg players spend a lot more time optimizing builds while players like BeSt just randomly split. I've watched Zerg progamers and they know the optimal minerals to mine first on EVERY map, while Protoss players mine the incorrect minerals
Agh
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1018 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-27 07:00:59
March 27 2024 06:59 GMT
#7
On March 27 2024 15:04 MeSaber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2024 14:53 Agh wrote:
What does "play" mean? Is this centered around winning?

If 'winning' is the focus, I'd say zerg.

If we're talking about being able to have a basic idea of what is going on and a new player just picking up the game, probably terran.

otherwise protoss.


So what did you choose? Its free interpretation whats your opinion of easy and race in the same sentence



Since the OP didn't specify I assumed he meant the easiest race to amass wins with.

So if I was given a time constraint if I had to win the most amount of games in a handful of hours I'd choose Zerg.
I'd just do 3 hatch hydra vs P, muta to lurker all in vs T, and flip some coins in ZvZ.
All of those are relatively low effort and very powerful even into pro level of play.

Terran at the highest level is a lot more taxing and but aside from that I personally don't think one race has easier execution. With that in mind I didn't have a vote for how the question was presented. vs.Z seems like the "easiest" matchup to drop games against so I went with that.
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bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
March 27 2024 07:21 GMT
#8
Race is the easiest to play, it means the weakest race to win

In PvT, Carrier and Arbiter are so strong but Protoss will die before they can buy those units

In PvZ, Protoss's not won before 15 minutes yet, they never win after then (1 zergling + 1 delifier can kill 1000000 canons, how protoss can come over it)

In PvP, Protoss has 0% winrate
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HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey745 Posts
March 27 2024 08:21 GMT
#9
z easily.Just spam units and attack.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4228 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-27 09:50:29
March 27 2024 09:15 GMT
#10
Wait, how was the stated question in op ever controversial?

P is by far the easiest to play (overall) but also by far the hardest to win tier 1 championship trophies with.
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Comedy
Profile Joined March 2016
466 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-27 09:33:17
March 27 2024 09:31 GMT
#11
protoss is the easiest race mechanically by far, units have a long build time and are strong, no need to hotkey scanner so can literally hotkey like 7 gates midgame and later on just macro with one screen key.

toss micro is less intricate than zerg muta micro or terran overall army control, zealot micro and dragoon micro fairly easy to learn.

I'd say zerg is the hardest race because of having to produce out of 3,4 locations in the mid to late game, as well as having to learn muta micro very well before winning any games. Zerg is also purely reactionary vs terran after the muta phase ends, which makes it tough to play.

But terran is close behind, they just feel a bit more intuitive with their location screen macro, and always having the initiative (at least vs z.)

t v p , z v t , p v z are historically the hardest matchups in the game but tvp/zvt are hard mechanically while p v z is actually not hard at all mechnically, you just need a lot of knowledge and zealot micro. (look at bonyth)
Cleptocure Annecy
Profile Joined March 2024
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-27 10:19:27
March 27 2024 10:19 GMT
#12
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3113 Posts
March 27 2024 13:02 GMT
#13
Obviously Protoss but the problem is "easy to play" is very different to "easy to win" and since many people just mix the two together we have endless debates about this.

I tried to find an anology in physical sports but could never find one, as every sport out there is just a mirror BW matchup.

Instead we could think like this: if Protoss now could only use one probe to build one building at a time like Terran, and Pylon took twice the size it takes now, it'd make them a lot harder to play, but it wouldn't make them any stronger lol.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5199 Posts
March 27 2024 13:58 GMT
#14
I voted P and would like to main P, but goon freeze tilts me into oblivion.
I would 100% play Z if I had time to invest.
I played Terran as main because it takes the least amount of practice to execute at a satisfying level.
FBH #1!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10253 Posts
March 27 2024 14:50 GMT
#15
As mentioned in this thread already, Protoss is the easiest race to pick up and learn (barring PvZ where forge FE and gate FE have some intricacies). At lower levels, the time investment to pick up wins with Protoss is fairly low. When friends ask why I started playing Protoss, I simply said I wanted to win more.

Obviously, higher skilled players know that Protoss begins to fall off at some point and becomes a bit more challenging to win at the highest levels.
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1065 Posts
March 27 2024 15:00 GMT
#16
Protoss is very difficult once you reach top amateur competitive levels in the korean scene. we see very few zergs in the top of the foreign scene and a few terrans. In korea you see a lot of terrans and zergs and fewer protoss.


Protoss though is easier than t and z until that level.
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8511 Posts
March 27 2024 15:24 GMT
#17
On March 27 2024 22:58 Peeano wrote:
I voted P and would like to main P, but goon freeze tilts me into oblivion.
I would 100% play Z if I had time to invest.
I played Terran as main because it takes the least amount of practice to execute at a satisfying level.


Yes Peeano , my goons are dumb and they freeze for no reason at all. You just need to press S a few times and they are ready to fight again !
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8511 Posts
March 27 2024 15:24 GMT
#18
BTW, i play only with toss and i pick toss in this poll
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MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
March 27 2024 16:32 GMT
#19
So if most choose P as easiest to play, how come its not easiest to win with?

What if we go back to say 2005 but we had 2024 strategy/micro? Would P be 100% winrate because maps being different?
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FinsT
Profile Joined March 2024
32 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-27 18:01:15
March 27 2024 18:00 GMT
#20
On March 28 2024 01:32 MeSaber wrote:
So if most choose P as easiest to play, how come its not easiest to win with?
...

Because "play" and "win" are different words which describe different things. "To play" means doing the process of playing - regardless if you win or not.

Consider this example: what musical instrument is easier to play - 1-string guitar or 6-string guitar? Obviously, 1-string is easier to play. But does it mean 1-string guitar is "better" at what it does? Obviously, not: 6-string guitar allows to play much better than 1-string guitar.

Same thing with protoss: they are easier to play, in no small part because there are less "strings" to pull when you play 'toss - but to significant extent, that ease of play also results in 'toss showing worse results in terms of winning.
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