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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1062 Posts
Give it a shot if you're interested in ranking the players to your hearts content. https://tiermaker.com/create/asl-season-17-tier-list-16848610 you can use eloboard to somewhat help insire your choices: https://eloboard.com/men/bbs/board.php?bo_table=rank_list Example of mine: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/wp5U9y3.png) I can make more tier list templates for this specific ASL if someone wants another type. For example per race tier list. Per match-up tier list. etc. | ||
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Smorrie
Netherlands2925 Posts
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1062 Posts
On February 27 2024 08:46 Smorrie wrote: Is this a disguised advertisement for Action? ^^ :^) I would never do such a thing. | ||
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iopq
United States1015 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/2zLHfOR.png) | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1062 Posts
On February 27 2024 09:54 iopq wrote: I did mine without looking at ELO or your image, basically from my feeling that the Zerg I put at S would have a tough match against anyone in that S tier, but everyone else is not quite the same level, so my S rank is not quite that exclusive, but those players are all that good in my opinion + Show Spoiler + very interesting ranking. Quite surprised by your Hero placing. He's got quite good placings in ASL historically speaking. Going by the last few ASL he got: ASL#16 top 8 ASL#15 top 4 ASL#14 top 4 ASL#13 top 16 ASL#12 top 4 ASL#11 top 4. That's 4 top 4 finishes in the last 6 ASL seasons. The two times he did not make it to top 4 he got eliminated by JyJ and Soulkey in Ro16(ASL 13) and by Rush in Ro8(ASL15.) If anything he seems to somewhat consistently be capable of performing on stage better than most can. ALTHOUGH he didn't make it ino ASL16...which is a good argument for your ranking of Shine. Jaedong and Bisu's placements I can understand based off of their recent ASL performances. Likewise your Shine placing feels low with his two most recent placings being top 12 and top 8. Him specifically having way too many viable and diverse build orders up his sleeve makes him particularly dangerous. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10253 Posts
![[image loading]](/staff/FlaShFTW/Tierlist_ASL_17.png) Here's what I have and my methodology: S - Players who are likely to make the semis/finals/win. A - Players who are likely to make the bracket, and an outside shot of making the finals or even winning. B - Players who have a solid shot of making the bracket, but don't expect a deep run past that. Likely the players that will teeter on the edge of either groups or bracket. C - Players who will probably get knocked out in the groups, with an unlikely chance to make the bracket. (Shine is an odd one with his bag of builds, can never really count him out but you also wouldn't bet on him to make the bracket). D - Players who are almost guaranteed to get eliminated in Ro16. E/F - Extremely unlikely to make it out of their Ro24 groups. If they get lucky to advance, I give them 0 chance to advance from the Ro16. | ||
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Giovanni8
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1062 Posts
On February 27 2024 20:37 Giovanni8 wrote: Taengu is F 100% hmm but is Taenggu > Sea? | ||
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FriedrichNietzsche
92 Posts
absolutely but RL setting changes things a lot.. so in a booth for ASL stakes who knows.. taenggu will be at least a bite nervous and maybe nervous as fuck | ||
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Ideas
United States8148 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/3rrY7ah.png) No idea how good TY is right now. I am waiting for Tastosis cast so I haven't seen Ro24 group A yet. I'm basing this off of current map pool, past ASL performances, KCM, and occasionally watching Proleague matches. Of course the way that groups get set up in the Ro16 will great affect who makes it to the finals. And any random cheese from a C-F player can still take down a S-class player (also ZvZ is still a coinflip for pretty much any Zerg on this list). | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10253 Posts
On February 27 2024 23:27 Ideas wrote: My list: + Show Spoiler + No idea how good TY is right now. I am waiting for Tastosis cast so I haven't seen Ro24 group A yet. I'm basing this off of current map pool, past ASL performances, KCM, and occasionally watching Proleague matches. Of course the way that groups get set up in the Ro16 will great affect who makes it to the finals. And any random cheese from a C-F player can still take down a S-class player (also ZvZ is still a coinflip for pretty much any Zerg on this list). Any reason for herO to be below Bisu and Light to not be S? I guess Light's ASL performances as a whole have been quite poor historically but he's having a monster year so far. And always hard to count out Mr. semifinal in hero. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4228 Posts
S: Light, Mini, hero, Mind, Rush, Soulkey, Snow, Best A: Rain, Action, Jaedong, JyJ, Sharp, RoyaL, Bisu B: Mong, Shuttle, sSak C: BarrackS, Shine, Stork D: beast, Killer E: Speed, TY, TaeNgGu F: Sea, ZeLoT | ||
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iopq
United States1015 Posts
On February 27 2024 10:24 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: very interesting ranking. Quite surprised by your Hero placing. He's got quite good placings in ASL historically speaking. Going by the last few ASL he got: ASL#16 top 8 ASL#15 top 4 ASL#14 top 4 ASL#13 top 16 ASL#12 top 4 ASL#11 top 4. That's 4 top 4 finishes in the last 6 ASL seasons. The two times he did not make it to top 4 he got eliminated by JyJ and Soulkey in Ro16(ASL 13) and by Rush in Ro8(ASL15.) If anything he seems to somewhat consistently be capable of performing on stage better than most can. ALTHOUGH he didn't make it ino ASL16...which is a good argument for your ranking of Shine. Jaedong and Bisu's placements I can understand based off of their recent ASL performances. Likewise your Shine placing feels low with his two most recent placings being top 12 and top 8. Him specifically having way too many viable and diverse build orders up his sleeve makes him particularly dangerous. I agree, he can be A tier. As for Shine, he is dangerous, but it's more like he can beat anyone, but can easily lose to anyone. Hard to rate him since he could easily lose games to F tier players, but beat S tier players | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5198 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/x1HsoYO.png) | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1062 Posts
On February 28 2024 05:22 iopq wrote: I agree, he can be A tier. As for Shine, he is dangerous, but it's more like he can beat anyone, but can easily lose to anyone. Hard to rate him since he could easily lose games to F tier players, but beat S tier players Shine definitely lacks in more orthodox defensive scenarios. If his diverse pack of builds doesn't get him offensive leverage, he tends to get picked apart either quick or slowly. I've talked with some pro terrans and key thing they mentioned about Shine wasn't actually his diverse builds, but his mutalisk control being particularly good even amongst the other top zergs. You placed Rain and Sharp surprisingly low | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5198 Posts
On February 28 2024 05:41 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: Shine definitely lacks in more orthodox defensive scenarios. If his diverse pack of builds doesn't get him offensive leverage, he tends to get picked apart either quick or slowly. I've talked with some pro terrans and key thing they mentioned about Shine wasn't actually his diverse builds, but his mutalisk control being particularly good even amongst the other top zergs. You placed Rain and Sharp surprisingly low Rain loves to play League and I've been disappointed in rooting for Sharp more than once lol. | ||
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Ideas
United States8148 Posts
On February 28 2024 02:09 FlaShFTW wrote: Any reason for herO to be below Bisu and Light to not be S? I guess Light's ASL performances as a whole have been quite poor historically but he's having a monster year so far. And always hard to count out Mr. semifinal in hero. Light keeps losing to protoss in KCM but I guess that's a totally different category of competition/importance than proleague/ASL? I dunno, these maps are really tough for TvP. He's also very susceptible to smart cheese from Zerg in early rounds. but maybe he breezes through to Ro8. Bisu is a choker historically in ASL and very susceptible to well-planned sniper builds. Would love to proven wrong as he's playing really well lately. Hero does good in ASL but maps seem bad for him and he's been not seeming that great to me whenever I catch him playing? Maybe I only catch his proleague games where he loses? But his recent KCM performance is very disappointing (same with pretty much all zergs that arent action or soulkey). | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1062 Posts
On February 28 2024 06:21 Peeano wrote: Rain loves to play League and I've been disappointed in rooting for Sharp more than once lol. haha, fair call. Rain really does love doing other things than Starcraft. He does play a decent amount of matches on a monthly basis, but nowhere close to the others. We'll see how well adapted to the maps he is or isn't in his Ro24. On February 28 2024 06:53 Ideas wrote: Light keeps losing to protoss in KCM but I guess that's a totally different category of competition/importance than proleague/ASL? I dunno, these maps are really tough for TvP. He's also very susceptible to smart cheese from Zerg in early rounds. but maybe he breezes through to Ro8. Bisu is a choker historically in ASL and very susceptible to well-planned sniper builds. Would love to proven wrong as he's playing really well lately. Hero does good in ASL but maps seem bad for him and he's been not seeming that great to me whenever I catch him playing? Maybe I only catch his proleague games where he loses? But his recent KCM performance is very disappointing (same with pretty much all zergs that arent action or soulkey). Light is 17-8 over Februari against Protoss according to Eloboard. He has won 11 TvP in a row. He beat, in order of most recent to least recent: Best, Best, SnOw, Shuttle, Mini, Mini, Best, Bisu, SnOw, Best, Mini. He is looking rather strong in TvP based off of those games. Light is definitely susceptible to cheese considering he's a "standard play specialist". But everyone is susceptible to cheese. HerO seems to be going about 50/50 vs top contenders and tier 2 contenders. Definitely seems to lagg behind a little bit in adjusting to the new maps compared to Action and Soulkey. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13295 Posts
S: Hero, Light, Mini, Royal, Rush, SK, Snow. A: Action, Best, Bisu, JYJ B: Barracks, JD, Mind, Rain, Sharp, Shuttle, SSak C: Killer, Mong, Stork, Shine D: Beast, Speed E: Taengu, TY F: Zelot, Sea. For me, S class are the guys who are elite in every matchup. Winner will 95% come from this group for mine. Mini was tough here. He can be a bit shaky sometimes, especially in PvT, but given he was runner up last year I've added him here. A class is guys who are generally elite in 2 matchups, vulnerable in one. JYJ is shaky vs P, Best vs Z, Bisu vs T etc. This is not to say Bisu, for example, is bad vs Terran, I just don't see him as elite compared to say Snow. B class: rock solid players but not quite elite. These guys can def make a deep run if the bracket falls favourably but hard to see any of them making the semis. C and below: making up the numbers. Maybe one of them makes the ro16 but pretty unlikely. | ||
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Ideas
United States8148 Posts
On February 28 2024 07:10 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: haha, fair call. Rain really does love doing other things than Starcraft. He does play a decent amount of matches on a monthly basis, but nowhere close to the others. We'll see how well adapted to the maps he is or isn't in his Ro24. Light is 17-8 over Februari against Protoss according to Eloboard. He has won 11 TvP in a row. He beat, in order of most recent to least recent: Best, Best, SnOw, Shuttle, Mini, Mini, Best, Bisu, SnOw, Best, Mini. He is looking rather strong in TvP based off of those games. Light is definitely susceptible to cheese considering he's a "standard play specialist". But everyone is susceptible to cheese. HerO seems to be going about 50/50 vs top contenders and tier 2 contenders. Definitely seems to lagg behind a little bit in adjusting to the new maps compared to Action and Soulkey. Yea those stats are super impressive. I hope we get to see him play a long series vs one of the top Protoss  at the same time he hasn't quite shown the hunger in ASL since winning a couple years back... That's sort of a factor that I wasn't taking into account when I made my list. Some players really lose their hunger/urgency to win after getting a title (Royal, Rain, Light, etc). Even in Kespa days it was mostly standard for players to go into a slump for a while after winning an OSL until flash/JD came along (excluding nada of course). Who still has the hunger for an ASL? It's switched hands every time since Queen's second win. Is it finally Snow's turn? Rush and hero have come close multiple times as well but never gotten it (but both are not playing as good as usual right now). Sharp is playing the best he's played in years, maybe this is his last chance to take a title before his flair is gone for good? | ||
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