EPTI casted with RAPiD at the BSL LAN - Page 3
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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dearxfrancis
4 Posts
1. Disband BSL, it wasn't a mistake what you did. you just didn't do anything. only until you were called out. 2. Anyone at that table, in that room, who did nothing. or advocates for rapid should take a hard look at themselves. 3. Calling someone a pussy on the internet after you literally sat next to them for an entire weekend and shared meals with them despite feeling "awkward" and "confused" is strange move my guy. E-SPORTS community continues to be gross into 2024. Right on. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2393 Posts
On January 15 2024 13:29 dearxfrancis wrote: Makes a video documenting RAPIDS career ( Lol, career ) of shitty behavior across multiple communities over a long span of time. Shares content in the same video of RAPID casting, having beers, meals and and over all good time with event organizers and participators. Then you call him a Pussy on the internet? 1. Disband BSL, it wasn't a mistake what you did. you just didn't do anything. only until you were called out. 2. Anyone at that table, in that room, who did nothing. or advocates for rapid should take a hard look at themselves. 3. Calling someone a pussy on the internet after you literally sat next to them for an entire weekend and shared meals with them despite feeling "awkward" and "confused" is strange move my guy. E-SPORTS community continues to be gross into 2024. Right on. This is all the same logic that leads to "so why didn't you report it earlier" being levelled at victims. This is gross. Also thanks Saiyan for the video. I thought it was very fair, and well-made. | ||
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dearxfrancis
4 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2393 Posts
On January 15 2024 13:45 dearxfrancis wrote: Yeah, no. Zero link there. You called someone a pussy after spending an entire weekend with him. Its all in the video. You're literally all hanging out. ???? I did not attend this event. And to add some more substance to my post, manipulative people take advantage of the social contract. That's what they do, and that has an effect on more people than just those they sent a dick pic to. Being scared to call out bad behaviour goes beyond the direct victims of Rapid's bad sexual behaviour, and it's very strange to try to draw lines so aggressively between "legitimate victim" and "enabler" like you're doing to Saiyan here. | ||
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dearxfrancis
4 Posts
Rapid isn't some master manipulator, he didn't hood wink an entire room, or beguile them with his charm. You all knew who he was, dudes been hiding under a rock and shows up and you didn't do anything, until you were called out. Now "saiyan" makes a video, and calls him a pussy. After hanging out with him for the entire weekend. "Rapid did this to us, he caused this shit storm' No, you did this. To yourself. Are we all watching the same video? How is this GOOD? The optics of this video are horrendous. You're hanging out with the dude. Having beers. Having dinner. Multiple days. For those of you who "don't care" about "rapid" or the "allegations". Can only imagine the quality of individual you are and the caliber of people you associate with. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2393 Posts
On January 15 2024 13:57 dearxfrancis wrote: Rapid isn't some master manipulator, he didn't hood wink and entire room, or beguile them with his charm. If he was able to infiltrate pro team bedrooms through sheer force of personality, clearly he has something going on. Often you don't need to be a master manipulator, just sufficiently pushy. That's why I'm talking about the social contract and the power that comes from simply being selfish enough to break it. Especially around shyer, more introverted people. People twist themselves in circles for manipulators, or just pushy people, all the time. Whether it's someone at work telling a colleague the best way to "work around" another colleague's blow-ups in meetings, or an abused partner going back to the person who treats them the worst, or a caster just trying to get through a cast with a creep so as not to compromise an event. I know that sounds silly laying out those three examples next to each other despite vast differences in magnitude, but much of the underlying phenomena are the same, is the point. You all knew who he was, dudes been hiding under a rock and shows up and you didn't do anything, until you were called out. Now "saiyan" makes a video, and calls him a pussy. After hanging out with him for the entire weekend. "Rapid did this to us, he caused this shit storm' No, you did this. To yourself. Look, Saiyan (why the quotes?) could absolutely be a "pussy" for not speaking up, and for not trashing the event by refusing to cast with the guy, if that's what you want to say. But to me at least, being a "pussy" is different to being some kind of insidious enabler like you imply. Rapid made some people very uncomfortable with his pushy sexual behaviour. I'm willing to believe he also made some other people at that event uncomfortable with his pushy behaviour in general, and of course his reputation. Saiyan says as much in the video and I believe it. I think you're absolutely drawing some strange bright red lines if you say "all the people who had a sexual component to their feeling uncomfortable with Rapid are victims, all the others are enablers". Are we all watching the same video? How is this GOOD? The optics of this video are horrendous. You're hanging out with the dude. Having beers. Having dinner. Multiple days. I'll admit I mostly listened to it instead of watching it. It was the message I appreciated. A message calling out Rapid from someone with some authority in the situation. Maybe I missed something by not watching and only listening. For those of you who "don't care" about "rapid" or the "allegations". Can only imagine the quality of individual you are and the caliber of people you associate with. the E-SPORTS community attempting to hold court is hilarious. I care about the allegations. I cared about them back in 2020, when they were another reason to write off a caster I'd already written off as bringing very little game knowledge or humour to what he casted. I don't think I've posted about this controversy until now, because I don't think it's my position to "hold court". All I want to do is try to shut down the toxic black-and-white narrative that comes up in cases like these about victims versus enablers. | ||
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dearxfrancis
4 Posts
You all new who he was and you didn't anything. Thats all there is to it. Thats all had to say. You make yourselves look exponentially worse by posting this god awful video re-iterating what a piece of trash rapid is / you spending time with him. Passing the blame to him for not speaking out, we crossed that bridge already. He had his chance, he didn't take it, hes trash. Thought that was universally known. Its cool, if youre in the video. You've established now to everyone you like to hang out with Rapid. Thats your boy. Heres the thing dude. Dont like someone? Dont hang out with them. You should absolutely disband BSL. I'm amazed nobody at the event said a word. Shout out to ARTOSIS for going out round 1. Dudes stream is the most toxic thing on planet earth. I retract what I said earlier about being amazed. This "community" routinely proves how noxious it is, over and over and over. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2393 Posts
And sure, you could argue that makes me a "pussy" and be correct to at least some extent, though personally I'd drop the gendered insults. That's one thing. It's quite another thing to then interrogate all my behaviour around that moment to figure out how "complicit" I was in this guy's bad behaviour. That absolutely feels like the kind of thing some people will do to victims after they speak up. Now I know you said it's different, the guy who didn't speak up on stream isn't a victim, but think about it this way. Right now, you've not said anything except about Saiyan's video, which you apparently registered an account (or an alt) to trash. You've said nothing about the person who invited Rapid to the event. All of your harshness has been reserved for the one person who had the guts to properly speak up with a definitive call out of what Rapid did, and has done, even if it was after the fact. So yeah, I do think that's kinda gross. EDIT: I mean in response to this current controversy. Obviously I'm not trying to discredit or take anything away from the original people who spoke up about Rapid. | ||
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Q~Bert
United States663 Posts
On January 15 2024 13:57 dearxfrancis wrote: I'm not sure where you're getting aggressive from. You're mistaken. Rapid isn't some master manipulator, he didn't hood wink an entire room, or beguile them with his charm. You all knew who he was, dudes been hiding under a rock and shows up and you didn't do anything, until you were called out. Now "saiyan" makes a video, and calls him a pussy. After hanging out with him for the entire weekend. "Rapid did this to us, he caused this shit storm' No, you did this. To yourself. Are we all watching the same video? How is this GOOD? The optics of this video are horrendous. You're hanging out with the dude. Having beers. Having dinner. Multiple days. For those of you who "don't care" about "rapid" or the "allegations". Can only imagine the quality of individual you are and the caliber of people you associate with. You relating to Rapid's primitive and insatiable desire for intercourse and insinuating his attackers are just hypocrites suppressing their same urges with porn reveals how twisted your perception of social norms truly is. The fact that you even took the time to create an account for these posts is just one of many examples you've presented already shows how pathetic you must be. It's pretty simple - Rapid is obviously just a creepy dude who has repeatedly made terrible decisions in most facets of his life - any well adjusted, productive member of society can clearly see that. This LAN wasn't a major event with media and public relations. Your average person, much less a community of gamer nerds who travelled across the globe to attend a tournament, is not going going to want to confront an attending member or make things awkward for everyone when there is nothing to gain or lose. Zzzero is the only one who could rationally feel any responsibility for addressing the situation and even that is a stretch. In the end we are all a bunch of grown men who know right and wrong and shouldn't need a guy who already voluntarily contributes more to the community than anyone else to take time to make you all feel better. | ||
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namkraft
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On January 15 2024 13:29 dearxfrancis wrote: Makes a video documenting RAPIDS career ( Lol, career ) of shitty behavior across multiple communities over a long span of time. Shares content in the same video of RAPID casting, having beers, meals and and over all good time with event organizers and participators. Then you call him a Pussy on the internet? Wasn't gonna say anything for fear of being banned on this forum, but had to quote you. The internet is a scary place. Or rather, it makes people become really scary. Man up. Meet Rapid in person and tell him directly what you're telling others about him. Use the same words, please. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_disinhibition_effect | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1166 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25050 Posts
The guy strikes me as the type who’s picked eSports and being a name in a scene, and even the minor fame and rep that comes with, rather than the passion for the former being the instrinsic motivator. Not saying he has no interest at all, but it seems these gaming scenes are useful vectors to achieve certain things more than the actual bedrock of passion. Just as some dudes/dudettes form a band to do art and express themselves, some aspire to that ego boost of being on stage. Or the increased prestige and sexual appeal that comes with. Despite being in the former camp to a self-sabotaging degree, girls were certainly more interested in me and I was in pretty shit bands believe you me! Hell I’ve casted in our Emerald Isle amateur scene as the primary/half of an Archon for well over a decade now. I’ll not lie and say I don’t get a kick out of making a good call (I once memorably called a Warp Prism 4 gate in ye olde WoL days off the second pylon placement). I also enjoy if my joke gets a laugh, or, in the aforementioned example after making said call, and hyping up the (relative) perfection of my friend’s build, only seeing him forget to switch his prism to phase and botching it completely. Got more laughs for my genuine Picard face palm and ‘noooo, not like this!’ than any actual crafted joke I’ve ever made I can totally understand why having a gig where you’re getting that bit of ego boost, of being able to bring your personality to bear and be appreciated for it can appeal to someone over a 9/5 regular job. Equally it can’t be your primary motivator, and, without amateur diagnosing Rapid as it’s a practice I despise, eSports absolutely does have a problem with narcissists even now, and historically even more so. How many people have been burned over the years by folks who want the adulation that comes with running events or orgs, but with none of the fiscal or interpersonal responsibility that comes with it? | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3353 Posts
On January 15 2024 13:29 dearxfrancis wrote: Makes a video documenting RAPIDS career ( Lol, career ) of shitty behavior across multiple communities over a long span of time. Shares content in the same video of RAPID casting, having beers, meals and and over all good time with event organizers and participators. Then you call him a Pussy on the internet? 1. Disband BSL, it wasn't a mistake what you did. you just didn't do anything. only until you were called out. 2. Anyone at that table, in that room, who did nothing. or advocates for rapid should take a hard look at themselves. 3. Calling someone a pussy on the internet after you literally sat next to them for an entire weekend and shared meals with them despite feeling "awkward" and "confused" is strange move my guy. E-SPORTS community continues to be gross into 2024. Right on. 1. Mistakes were made for sure but ZZZero did come around, reiterated the ban is in place, took his losses from this situation, andt overall owned it in the end. It takes a good and strong person to do this and it should be respected. Calling to disband BSL over this is stupid. 2. Most people do not know or care who Rapid is, there is also language barrier issues at play. I do not blame the players at all for just hanging out with anyone who attended in this situation, mostly because it is unlikely they even knew much details about rapid, not everything revolves around english language streams. The ones who advocate for Rapid after learning everything yeah it s not great, but we are also not the thought police. Public support from an organisation is one thing (rightly called out), personal player opinion is another (they are thankfully free to think whatever they want). 3. It is good Saiyan released this video before the next cast of the tournament were released. Your posts calling out the entire esports community (while there are indeed many issues with it, it isnt really related, we are a 25 year old essentially amateur group of folks and yet people were immediately up in arms about this whole ordeal) is the strange move here, as well as calling to disband BSL. Btw nobody is forcing you to stay with said community/Esport in general if you are that worked up against it. I m not saying you don't have good reasons for it, but I m saying you are taking it too far. In the same vein that given how Blizzard was shitty for very similar situations within the company, you shouldnt play any blizzard game at all. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On January 15 2024 22:44 WGT-Baal wrote: 1. Mistakes were made for sure but ZZZero did come around, reiterated the ban is in place, took his losses from this situation, andt overall owned it in the end. It takes a good and strong person to do this and it should be respected. Calling to disband BSL over this is stupid. 2. Most people do not know or care who Rapid is, there is also language barrier issues at play. I do not blame the players at all for just hanging out with anyone who attended in this situation, mostly because it is unlikely they even knew much details about rapid, not everything revolves around english language streams. The ones who advocate for Rapid after learning everything yeah it s not great, but we are also not the thought police. Public support from an organisation is one thing (rightly called out), personal player opinion is another (they are thankfully free to think whatever they want). 3. It is good Saiyan released this video before the next cast of the tournament were released. Your posts calling out the entire esports community (while there are indeed many issues with it, it isnt really related, we are a 25 year old essentially amateur group of folks and yet people were immediately up in arms about this whole ordeal) is the strange move here, as well as calling to disband BSL. Btw nobody is forcing you to stay with said community/Esport in general if you are that worked up against it. I m not saying you don't have good reasons for it, but I m saying you are taking it too far. In the same vein that given how Blizzard was shitty for very similar situations within the company, you shouldnt play any blizzard game at all. 1. Thank you for sharing your well balanced thoughts on Zzzeros role in the matter. I concur it isnt acknowledged enough by some, that he indeed DID own up to his mistakes. He deserves our respect for the way he acknowledged a mistake in public. Calling for BSL to disband is preposterous obviously and out of question for anybody reasonable. 2.personal player opinion is a very different thing and its hardly the duty of an attending player to see that Rapid is excluded. It makes no sense to blame players who just played the tournament or other casters. 3.i concur. In light of this many people have taken it to far and lashed out. It's more than time to put this issue to bed so we can work on the future of our niche game. Nobody profits if this niche community is divided into even smaller groups. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
The energy and production value of this video would be better spent on nonsense like a podcast about an interview series with Artosis, eOn and Julia having to give their opinions on Protoss (working title "good talent toi have" or "khala me amazed", just a vague idea). Would add to a Patreon, just saying. | ||
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orangeball
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On January 15 2024 16:54 namkraft wrote: Wasn't gonna say anything for fear of being banned on this forum, but had to quote you. The internet is a scary place. Or rather, it makes people become really scary. Man up. Meet Rapid in person and tell him directly what you're telling others about him. Use the same words, please. Come on my dude did you even watch the video properly? He (the OP) spoke to Rapid in person but Rapid buttered him up and promised to release a statement, only to ghost him and everyone else afterwards. That's the context behind the insult. Like yeah maybe it's a bit unecessary but why make such a big deal out of such a small detail and ignore everything else? Why is it more important that people should "man up" and insult him in person, when you could be saying that Rapid should "man up" and give a statement about the allegations instead of hiding? I'm curious what draws you towards defending Rapid - perhaps you relate to him being called a terrible caster  One thing noteworthy from the video is that the OP shows a lot of compassion in understanding that a lot of people at the event who were defending Rapid are just defending a friend like anyone would do and he holds no ill will towards them, purely only towards Rapid and I think that's something we should learn from rather than fighting each other. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16680 Posts
On January 16 2024 05:20 GeckoXp wrote: This entire discussion is a disgrace to everyone, all it does is giving Rapid more attention than he deserves. The cascade of events were Rapid's decision and his alone, so add him to the shit list and move on, there's nothing to gain for anyone. The energy and production value of this video would be better spent on nonsense like a podcast about an interview series with Artosis, eOn and Julia having to give their opinions on Protoss (working title "good talent toi have" or "khala me amazed", just a vague idea). Would add to a Patreon, just saying. Nah, the video is fine. i'm in the discussion and i don't think i'm a disgrace. i think i'm entitled to gather facts and ask questions during a discussion. Furthermore, I do not think I'm required to hand down a moral judgment in a short period of time. I've got other things to do. Also, shotgun justice fails precisely because it takes time to get to the bottom of issues. Genuine justice and authentic moral judgement takes time, thought, and reflection. Click bait headlines are easy though. On January 16 2024 05:20 GeckoXp wrote: This entire discussion is a disgrace to everyone, all it does is giving Rapid more attention than he deserves. nah, if you're going to take heavy shots at someone it can end up generating discussion. At this exact same time there is a tonne of discussion about Chris Jericho. Should no one in the pro wrestling community talk about it? He accused of being the Harvey Weinstein or Epstein or one of the those guys "of pro wrestling". There should be no response? Chris Jericho should just quit forever? Its all Chris Jericho's "fault" that there is even a discussion? ya , whatever. So, I do not think this discussion is a disgrace to everyone. Nor is the discussion around heavy, hard shots taken at any one, any where. On January 16 2024 05:20 GeckoXp wrote: This entire discussion is a disgrace to everyone if you're going to take heavy shots. Expect return fire. On January 15 2024 03:48 JimmiC wrote: Dude got fired for doing something that anyone would get fired for doing in any job. That people have to come up with weird justifications is freaking creepy. You can't talk about your dick, show it, or show pictures of it to people who do not want to see, or hear about it. This is 10x more with people who you work with or are clients. It is not hard to follow or understand. This is a nitpicky point. however, i think "any job" is over generalizing. the vast majority of jobs. yes. you probably would not get fired from an X-Rated movie production company. One of my customers owns an X-Rated movie production company and the stuff that goes on between employees is pretty out there. The stuff that gets forgiven compared to the stuff that gets you fired is ... different bordering on bizarre. On January 15 2024 14:23 Turbovolver wrote:All I want to do is try to shut down the toxic black-and-white narrative that comes up in cases like these about victims versus enablers. good points. | ||
BisuDagger
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