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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
I decided to check the popularity of our favorite game. Based on the total number of players on 5 main servers (West, East, Europe, Korea, Asia) at one time. I will try to take measurements at the same time: 22:00 PM. It will be possible to track the dynamics of the popularity of our favorite game. I also made a Comments tab where you can leave your comments. I hope it will be useful. Link on Table in Google SpreadSheets: Popularity of SC:BW | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
I will also record data on the number of games played. Thanks to a good person - ZZZero.O for the idea. This is right. It will be possible to track the number of games played, rather than just the number of players. If you have any other suggestions, write. | ||
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jghzuztghjr
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outscar
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jghzuztghjr
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9530 Posts
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
On December 26 2023 01:14 jghzuztghjr wrote: Now what? Is there any value in that data? Maybe there is, maybe not. Maybe there will be some good guys who, seeing that activity is only growing (it would be nice), will start holding additional tournaments. Initially, I just wanted to collect such information for myself. JUST out of interest. But I thought it would be interesting and useful for someone else. | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
On December 26 2023 02:06 outscar wrote: The numbers are depressing tbh. I remember when Korea had like 20 or even 30k active. Why game with infinite potential isn't popular I don't get it... So I have numbers from 22:00 PM. In Korea at this time around 05:00 AM everyone is still asleep (early morning). And if early in the morning it’s around 6000, then in the evening it’s 4-5 times more. In the evening there are approximately 20-30 thousand people there. | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
On December 26 2023 02:29 2Pacalypse- wrote: You should also write down the time when you're taking this data. In fact, you should probably collect this data through different times in the day. There's a huge difference in number of active players at 6am and 7pm. Yes, maybe you're right. But I can pick it up only in the evening (at 22:00). I just thought that by collecting data every day at the same time, it would be possible to evaluate the dynamics: growth/decline. (Although this will be a small group of players, but still). Plus 22:00 in Korea, around 05:00 (very early in the morning). But even so early there are about 6,000 people on the server (Korea). Those. this is how early real fans can play  And it seems to me that if in a country where SC:BW is a religion , at 5 am the number of players begins to decrease, then in general interest in the game will decrease.Maybe I'm wrong. Let's get a look. I'll collect it. | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
In Europe - it’s time to sleep soon)) In Korea it is very early (5:00 am) In the USA (West and East Coast): it is around 13:00 - 15:00 (i.e. many are still at work). It turns out that at this time the minimum number of players is playing. And if this number decreases, then we can talk about a decrease in the number of active players in general. Again, maybe I'm wrong. I will collect this data. Perhaps they will be useful to someone for the start of some cool tournament. It will be great. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3444 Posts
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
On December 26 2023 04:56 WGT-Baal wrote: Picking Christmas day is also possibly not the most representative of activity in general, but rather a good baseline for lowest activity and then other days should be higher Agree. If I have enough strength for a year, fill out the table, next Christmas and New Year we will compare how many of us fans of this wonderful game are left. | ||
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Leonix
161 Posts
Further, are games/players playing ladder even counted or custom games,etc. Additional at night in Europe a lot of people change gateway to US-west, and many people playing ladder use ID for other Gateways... Even if we only take the total number of players or games, it is hard to see the transparency of what really counts, i sure dont know it... So that would be the first thing to show before getting into the numbers, otherwise they dont have that much meaning... Further, there also people that may play single player, lan network, not on the Battlenet launcher system, that may pump the numbers up... So no need to get depressed. | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
On December 26 2023 05:34 Leonix wrote: It depends if it is between weeks, weeksend, if it is hollidays and if there are other events going like world cup,etc. Further, are games/players playing ladder even counted or custom games,etc. Additional at night in Europe a lot of people change gateway to US-west, and many people playing ladder use ID for other Gateways... Even if we only take the total number of players or games, it is hard to see the transparency of what really counts, i sure dont know it... So that would be the first thing to show before getting into the numbers, otherwise they dont have that much meaning... Further, there also people that may play single player, lan network, not on the Battlenet launcher system, that may pump the numbers up... So no need to get depressed. Thx, Yes, I agree with you. Here’s the same question: data about games played, which is written when logging into the server, are these games in the ladder or just custom ones. Plus, yes, many can play without entering the ladder, etc. There are many different unknowns. But I’ll collect it this way for now, then we’ll see. Maybe I’ll somehow rearrange the information in this table (taking into account wishes and comments) so that there is a more objective picture. So far, at not the most popular times (on all servers), there are a total of about 8 thousand players. (In the most popular times, I think you can reach a total of 30-40 thousand). Yes, not all of them may be actively playing. But they are still in the community. Yes, and I’m not falling into depression)) I’m just collecting this data for now. When the minimum total figure of 8 thousand gradually will decreases, perhaps there will be a reason to be a little sad. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3444 Posts
Personally i consider that the wait times of about 30s I get to find a somewhat balanced ladder match for a 25yr old game is very good. | ||
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namkraft
527 Posts
I disagree with the idea you should measure at different times of the days. If this is meant to be a long-term study (like 6m - 1y), then you should stick to the same hour each day and repeat it. In fact, consistency is more important than frequency. So if u feel like it's impossible to measure every day for 365 days a year, it's better to measure once at week x 52 weeks. As for the comparison between different times of the day, you can also do that, but I think just 1-2 weeks worth of data is enough. The reason is the number of players may decrease / increase over time, but the ratio between different time windows are likely to be constant. So if you wanna combine the 2 approaches, you could do this: 1. Choose 1 fixed hour per day (or per week), and measure it for the whole year 2. For a special period of 1-2 weeks, measure 2-4 times per day to see how the numbers fluctuate. Just my 2 cents. | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
On December 26 2023 23:43 namkraft wrote: Really great idea, I think it will be a useful stats for the community. I disagree with the idea you should measure at different times of the days. If this is meant to be a long-term study (like 6m - 1y), then you should stick to the same hour each day and repeat it. In fact, consistency is more important than frequency. So if u feel like it's impossible to measure every day for 365 days a year, it's better to measure once at week x 52 weeks.Just my 2 cents. Thank you. I also thought that it would be more correct to collect every day at the same time. When +/- the same players are on Battle.net. And a cross-section of data for this period of time will be visible. And POSSIBLY (!) based on this part of the players it will be possible to judge a little about the activity of the community as a whole (growth, decline, lack of change). Let`s see As I wrote above, I deliberately chose not the most popular time for all time zones. 22:00 pm In Europe - it's time to get ready for bed)) It's very early in Korea (5:00 am). In the US (West and East Coast): this is around 13:00 – 15:00 (i.e. many are still at work). Therefore, at this time, the most persistent are on Battle.net. | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
Number of games played? Since when are records kept? From 00:00:01 of the current day? What games count? (Melee, TvB, UMS etc.) Because on the Europe server now: 620 people and only 40 games played (!!!). It turns out that 40 games were played in ~22 hours. This cannot happen. Yesterday at 22:00 there were 550 players (Server Europe) and 34 games played. (That's almost a whole day). It’s somehow strange and incomprehensible to me that the number of games played is calculated. | ||
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tec27
United States3702 Posts
On December 27 2023 06:04 Sonic_md wrote: True, I don’t understand how exactly the number is calculated on the server: " Number of games played? Since when are records kept? From 00:00:01 of the current day? What games count? (Melee, TvB, UMS etc.) Because on the Europe server now: 620 people and only 40 games played (!!!). It turns out that 40 games were played in ~22 hours. This cannot happen. Yesterday at 22:00 there were 550 players (Server Europe) and 34 games played. (That's almost a whole day). It’s somehow strange and incomprehensible to me that the number of games played is calculated. That number is "games in progress" (or perhaps "open lobbies", hard to say) it is not "games played since you last logged on" or anything else like that. This data and the method you're using to collect it is really not that useful imo. #1 because Blizzard's service is quite weird as far as "regions" go because there are two layers of regions: the bnet launcher region and then the server choice within the game itself. I don't know how this affects these counts but it certainly affects things like friends lists and such (you can only friend people that are both on the same bnet launcher region AND ingame region), so it seems likely that it can affect user/game count as well. #2, as other people have stated, server population fluctuates greatly depending on time of day, day of the week, holidays, etc. so collecting a single data point once a day or once a week is not enough to get any kind of accurate count. At best this data might be useful to compare against itself, but it's extremely prone to construing a local trend (e.g. BW is becoming less popular in Europe) to be a global one (e.g. BW is becoming less popular overall). Posting the raw numbers (which again, are meaningless) and not just the relationship between them also gives people the wrong idea (i.e. "there are only 1000 people playing BW these days!") which I think is a negative thing for the community in general. So yeah, either make a better effort or this is doing more harm than good imo. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9033 Posts
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
On December 27 2023 10:01 tec27 wrote: That number is "games in progress" (or perhaps "open lobbies", hard to say) it is not "games played since you last logged on" or anything else like that. This data and the method you're using to collect it is really not that useful imo. #1 because Blizzard's service is quite weird as far as "regions" go because there are two layers of regions: the bnet launcher region and then the server choice within the game itself. I don't know how this affects these counts but it certainly affects things like friends lists and such (you can only friend people that are both on the same bnet launcher region AND ingame region), so it seems likely that it can affect user/game count as well. #2, as other people have stated, server population fluctuates greatly depending on time of day, day of the week, holidays, etc. so collecting a single data point once a day or once a week is not enough to get any kind of accurate count. At best this data might be useful to compare against itself, but it's extremely prone to construing a local trend (e.g. BW is becoming less popular in Europe) to be a global one (e.g. BW is becoming less popular overall). Posting the raw numbers (which again, are meaningless) and not just the relationship between them also gives people the wrong idea (i.e. "there are only 1000 people playing BW these days!") which I think is a negative thing for the community in general. So yeah, either make a better effort or this is doing more harm than good imo. Oh, thank you very much. English is not my native language and I may have misunderstood the translation. You're probably right, yes. The phrase: “312 games played” means that right now, at the moment, this number of games are being played on the server (various types of UMS, 4x4, 1x1, etc.). Information about how many games were played per day is not displayed. Yes, you may be right about the numbers: ““Only 1000 people play BW today!”), which I consider a negative thing for the community as a whole. But we all understand that our favorite game is already 25 years old. And here the old school 90%+ remains Well, about the decline in certain regions. I collect from different servers. It will be possible to look at each separately (I think most of them live there, what servers they play on). But for now I collect it this way. Perhaps later there will be thoughts on how to improve the table. Or one of the good people at tl.net will tell me what’s best and where it’s best to get it. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1169 Posts
I'd only suggest including a column with a day of the week so it will be easier to analyze it, as it's one of the driving factors for the people to be available and play. I bet there is a big discrepancy between the results for the weekdays and the weekends. There might be better ways to approach this whole exercise but I think what you are doing is fine for the purpose. Some interesting numbers may come out of it. Thanks for doing this! | ||
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masoka82
Spain594 Posts
possibly jindi can give more information | ||
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tec27
United States3702 Posts
People in this very thread of come away from seeing your data saying they are "depressed", and I think it really sucks that you're making people depressed by collecting data in this bizarre way, and then publishing it without any of the context for them to understand that your data is not useful, and does not mean the things that you imply it does. I will reiterate: I do not think you understand the data you are collecting, I do not think you are collecting it in a reasonable or useful way, and I think the way you are publishing it is harmful to the community. The underlying idea (to collect population data about the community) is fine, but collecting it in this way and publishing it as if it is an accurate measure of "popularity" is only going to make people feel negatively and play/participate/contribute less. If you cannot find a way to fix these issues, I think it would be better if you stop than risk further demotivating people. | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
On December 28 2023 00:08 BlueStar wrote: Nice initiative! I'd only suggest including a column with a day of the week so it will be easier to analyze it, as it's one of the driving factors for the people to be available and play. I bet there is a big discrepancy between the results for the weekdays and the weekends. There might be better ways to approach this whole exercise but I think what you are doing is fine for the purpose. Some interesting numbers may come out of it. Thanks for doing this! Exactly, added column with a day of the week | ||
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prosatan
Romania8527 Posts
 I need to say something in romanian for him , regarding the hour.. i'll put spoiler please + Show Spoiler + Ora 22 inseamna ca e ora 5 la ei in coreea ; poate ar trebui sa ne uitam mai devreme... | ||
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Puosu
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1120 Posts
In addition, to many brood war is a spectator sport/esport. | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
On December 28 2023 00:14 masoka82 wrote: China didn't have a private server? I think there were 5000 players at peak time. possibly jindi can give more information There is an Asia server. Maybe China is also taken into account there. Or maybe not. So far, according to my observations, for about a week. The most on the Asia server was 1500 people at its peak. This is at 14:00 (pm) European time. | ||
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Lovethelord
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1120 Posts
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
On December 28 2023 15:40 tec27 wrote: I mean I just think it's very harmful to put this data out as you have. You are describing a measurement of what you think is the lowest point of the population each day (but you also haven't verified that this is even the case), have put some special meaning to the people that happen to be online at that point (that they're "the most dedicated", again, without any kind of test or verification of this hypothesis), and then have put out a table of numbers as the "popularity of BW". I don't see why the lowest point of population would ever be useful to know, it has no known relationship to the peak or average population, no known relationship to the number of weekly or monthly active users, it doesn't even have a known relationship to the number of human users! Maybe 90% of the users in your measurement are chat bots, we really can't know. People in this very thread of come away from seeing your data saying they are "depressed", and I think it really sucks that you're making people depressed by collecting data in this bizarre way, and then publishing it without any of the context for them to understand that your data is not useful, and does not mean the things that you imply it does. I will reiterate: I do not think you understand the data you are collecting, I do not think you are collecting it in a reasonable or useful way, and I think the way you are publishing it is harmful to the community. The underlying idea (to collect population data about the community) is fine, but collecting it in this way and publishing it as if it is an accurate measure of "popularity" is only going to make people feel negatively and play/participate/contribute less. If you cannot find a way to fix these issues, I think it would be better if you stop than risk further demotivating people. Thank you very much for such a detailed and useful answer. Yes, initially I most likely chose the wrong collection tactics. I’ve now been collecting statistics for myself every hour for more than a week (well, except late at night0.) and I see that 22-00 is not always the minimum amount. in a week it will be more or less clear. The goal was the following: to track the popularity (by the number of players on the servers) of our favorite game. Take the minimum value. OK let's see | ||
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DeepElemBlues
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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Armathai
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One of the the most irritating things about BW is that Blizzard doesn't readily release numbers for its active users, games played, viewers etc. This makes it incredibly difficult to track trends (e.g. how much of a positive boost did SCR release give, and when Blizzard's level of support dropped to its terrible rate, how much of an impact this may have had) and in my opinion actually fuels the daed game myth rather than help debunk it. I for instance would like to know how SCR compares to AoE2 in numbers currently (a slightly newer game that has received tons of attention from Microsoft in the last 5years since they released AoE2:DE [e.g. remastered] and revitalized it completely) given that Microsoft bought AV-Blizzard and may in the future see if it's feasible to monetize BW again. Basically I'd love stuff like this: https://steamcharts.com/app/813780 but for BW While I understand tec27's issues with methodology and data collection, don't let that discourage you, rather ask for suggestions on how to improve the project. With that in mind, tec27 and others who are critical of this, it would be wonderful to offer constructive suggestions for fixing things and encouraging someone with an interest in BW. Here is a simple suggestion to deal with a simple criticism: Rename Popularity of SC:BW to SC:BW Active User/Games Played Data Collection If you want to collect data at different time stamps, maybe look for volunteers who can collect data together with you and add it to your sheet. Alternatively it might be possible to reach out to the guy creating/running the 3v3 BGH UMS bot to see if the bot could automatically screenshot data or if it would be possible to setup your own bot to do so. Everyone has their own passion project, enjoy what you're working on and learn from it | ||
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2Pacalypse-
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
On December 29 2023 06:05 prosatan wrote: Good work Sonic! I need to say something in romanian for him , regarding the hour.. i'll put spoiler please + Show Spoiler + Ora 22 inseamna ca e ora 5 la ei in coreea ; poate ar trebui sa ne uitam mai devreme... yes, I know it's 5 am there. I'm still trying to collect the number of people on the servers at other times. | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
On December 29 2023 09:51 Puosu wrote: Numbers Obtained From Battle.net That Have Unknown Relation to Popularity of Brood War (Table) Yes it is possible. Perhaps this can be called simply the number of more or less active players today. | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
On December 30 2023 07:02 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: keep in mind many very dedicated korean players are generally 25-45 years of age. they really cant afford to play at 5am with how korean work culture is. 5am korea time is literally the single worst time possible to get data from. In addition, to many brood war is a spectator sport/esport. Thanks, yes, I agree. I'll rethink the data collection a bit. It's true, many people just watch but don't play. | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
On January 01 2024 18:32 Lovethelord wrote: Korea has 30k every night...not sure what this post is about. misleading as heck. On January 01 2024 20:48 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: From a minute ago: Yeah i know that. thx | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1671 Posts
On December 26 2023 02:06 outscar wrote: The numbers are depressing tbh. I remember when Korea had like 20 or even 30k active. Why game with infinite potential isn't popular I don't get it... Because this VIDEO GAME with infinite potential is 25 years old? | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2316 Posts
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3693 Posts
You want to give a true picture. Giving a false picture would be bad - if the estimate is too big, it exaggerates the popularity and gives false hope. If the estimate is too small, it makes it look like the game is dying when it actually isn't. Your experiment is to sample player counts over time. Sounds simple to design a good strategy, but it's not. What: Like 2Pacalypse- advises, record player counts automatically every 5 min. Make sure you sample across all regions / launchers etc. to not miss anything. Ideally we'd also have more detailed stats like game duration or % that are ladder, or what % for each game mode, or what % for each map. But this isn't focused on the core question ('Popularity') and you can estimate those facts from replay databases. How: Set up a dedicated Windows computer, like an old laptop, leave it running 24/7. Install AutoHotkey and make a simple script that runs the launcher and clicks the the right buttons in the menus (or types the right letter hotkeys) to navigate to what you want. 'Read' the numbers. This is possible purely within AutoHotkey + Show Spoiler [How] + You can use AutoHotkey it to read out the pixel values of specific pixels based on their x & y coordinates on your specific screen. You can treat the numbers shown on the display similar to a 7-bar analog number display (might need more detail than only 7 points). Take enough example screenshots until you have one example of all 10 digits their font uses. Code logic filters depending on the combination of the pixels to conclude which number is shown. Most simple design would be to design it like a branching tree, where the first pixel you look at only appears in one of the numbers, then you can either stop there or eliminate that one and continue. You can use ChatGPT to help write all of this AutoHotkey code for you.) If that's too tedious, it could instead be possible to save screenshots with AutoHotkey (with the timestamp as the filename) to a synced folder, and run an automatic script to 'read' those numbers. Write those numbers to a synced file. You could append them as timestamped entries to a .csv file synced using Google Drive Desktop. Make multiple back-ups of this raw data. Why: From your responses and logic, it is clear that you have a nice idea, but you need more guidance to understand how to design a better sampling method. I suggest you do more research on this, such as by asking ChatGPT (preferably the paid GPT-4 - it is much much 'smarter'). In Data Science terms you are trying to sample 'Time Series' data to estimate different statistical measures. Currently it seems your bottleneck is human effort. But if you set it up once, then have this running 24/7 and automatically collecting data for you, you can instead get much more reliable results. As I started with, without reliable results, the value of the numbers would be 0 if not potentially damaging, so only do it if your sampling design is able to give reliable results. You want to estimate a realistic / true picture. You can't do that if you pick literally the worst time for people playing in Korea 🤦🤪. Don't pick 5am Korea time. But also don't arbitrarily pick 10pm Korea time. Don't make assumptions and guesses, because you don't know if those assumptions are true unless you collect more context. Just record everything in 5min intervals, only then will you have context to know for sure. You can only measure 'Total Number of Players', at different timesteps. By having lots more timesteps, you can get much more reliable estimates of things like: Mean, Median, Minimum, and Maximum Players. For the analysis, bin them in time intervals (5min, 10min, 20min, 60min, 120min, 6hr, 24hr, 7days, 28days, monthly, quarterly, yearly), perform time-series analysis (check if it is auto-regressive and/or has moving-average, check GARCH), and fit some models (simplest: linear fit + sine wave with periodicity of 24hr to model daily cycle + 365day yearly cycle). The best way to learn more about this is to copy-paste this entire thread into ChatGPT and it can explain anything, and can even help write the AutoHotkey code for you. GPT4 can even perform very good analysis of this sort of dataset for you automatically. I'll even do you a favor – if you set up a reliable data collecting setup like I described, PM me and I'll do the data analysis for you | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
First of all, thank you all for your comments, advice and suggestions. They helped me look at this table differently. Plus, for more than 3 weeks I tried to collect data as often as possible. Various thoughts, ideas, etc. appeared in my head. What to do next with the data from this table. I'll gather my thoughts together over the weekend and try to write. | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
When conceiving this collection, I did not take into account one important thing, which I understood, among other things, thanks to your comments. My data only shows the number of players on the server during the most popular time (from 22-00 to 23-00 local time). They only show the number of players at a certain time. And they cannot be judged by the total number of more or less active players on all servers. Regarding what they wrote here: collect with a bot or script. There are also certain difficulties here. For example, a person is on the server 24/7 (playing or just being there). The bot that will count will count it as different people. ALTHOUGH there may be one. So maybe my TOTAL number of fans idea isn't feasible. I will continue collecting data at the most popular time on the servers (22-00 local time). I hope this number will grow up every time | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
SC:BW Active Users/Games Played Data Collection (Table) | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
I have been collecting data for this table for 50 days. And here are some intermediate results: Average number of players at the most convenient time on all servers: 30,685 players. Average by server: West: 1508 East: 115 Europe: 619 Korea: 27062 Asia: 1391 Maximum total for all servers: 35595 - it was February 11, 2024 (Sunday) Maximum by server: West: 1905 (February 4, 2024 - Sunday) East: 165 (28 January 2024 - Sunday) Europe: 750 (December 30, 2023 - Saturday) Korea: 31575 (February 11, 2024 - Sunday) Asia: 1870 (6 January 2024 - Saturday) Minimum total for all servers: 24290 - January 25, 2024 - Thursday West: 1295 (31 January 2024 - Wednesday) East: 80 (February 8, 2024 - Thursday) Europe: 495 (February 14 - Wednesday) Korea: 21200 (January 25, 2024 - Thursday) Asia: 1035 (25 January 2024 - Thursday) I plan the next summary on the 100th day of collection. I hope the numbers will at least not get worse. It is clear that the most visited days are Saturday and Sunday. | ||
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tankgirl
Canada439 Posts
On February 14 2024 23:38 Sonic_md wrote: Maximum by server: Asia: 1870(6 January 2024 - Saturday) Minimum total for all servers: Asia: 1870 (25 January 2024 - Thursday) ? | ||
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prosatan
Romania8527 Posts
yes , i think this is a minor mistake , but still , nice data colection ! | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
thx, sorry. correct. 1035 - Asia minimum | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
The reason - may be Valentine Day or everybody watching BSL )) | ||
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FriedrichNietzsche
92 Posts
And who knows how much more popular it could/would be if sponsors wouldnt push newer games so hard but go for quality (SCBW).. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4235 Posts
It's a shame, really. But these numbers aren't that bad anyway, considering everything. Especially for S. Korea. | ||
Xeofreestyler
Belgium6774 Posts
On February 15 2024 06:36 FriedrichNietzsche wrote: Regarldess of precise numbers.. there arent many games to begin with (chess comes to mind, CS maybe?) that are > 25 years old and still played at all let alone popular.. And who knows how much more popular it could/would be if sponsors wouldnt push newer games so hard but go for quality (SCBW).. Smash 64 is 25 this year. Smash Melee almost | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
I continued to collect data for this table. And here are some intermediate results for the first 100 days: Average number of players at the most convenient time on all servers: 31970 For the first 50 days - it was 30,685 players. That is an average of 1285 more players every day. For the first 50 days - the average was 30685. For 51-100 days - it was 33280. That is 2595 more players on average every day.... In the first 50 days. The maximum on all servers combined was: 35595 - it was February 11, 2024 (Sunday) For the 51st through 100th days. The max was 40045 (April 6 - Saturday) In general, judging by the graph - the dynamics is still positive. There is no decline. | ||
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Sonic_md
Moldova278 Posts
why can't I embed this chart? As a picture to the post. | ||
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kAra
Germany1395 Posts
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hamsterkoster
3 Posts
The stated goal of the site (Translated): This site is a StarCraft: Brood War game, event, player, map database, sharing and analysis site. The goal of the site is to collect as much data as possible, preserve the legacy of StarCraft, and provide global statistics to the StarCraft community. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/tkJSW1Q.png) Just look at how many games are being hosted each day! Over 300,000 on this weekend. It just came like 2 months ago so it's lacking long-term stats and features and better analysis but this is way better than spot-checking counts at a time during the day since it's automated. It would be nice to see if is updated to be able to break out data by server (since the data basically just represents Korea as Korea server is massive compared to the others). It also has some nice features like seeing which map was most popular in the past 1, 7, or 30 days. You are also able to download the map. The site has so far accumulated over 34,000 unique maps. There is a contact page, so maybe if there are some ideas you think might be good might not be a bad idea to reach out. Would have to be in Korean though. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
I think this is her page: https://www.youtube.com/@xiae3067/videos Reference: https://www.allkpop.com/article/2023/06/high-apm-excellent-micro-actress-lee-si-ah-dazzles-viewers-with-her-skills-in-starcraft | ||
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Xeofreestyler
Belgium6774 Posts
On June 07 2024 05:01 hamsterkoster wrote: Koreans have put together a site where a bot scrapes and uploads all maps being played on Battle Net: https://srank.kr The stated goal of the site (Translated): This site is a StarCraft: Brood War game, event, player, map database, sharing and analysis site. The goal of the site is to collect as much data as possible, preserve the legacy of StarCraft, and provide global statistics to the StarCraft community. Just look at how many games are being hosted each day! Over 300,000 on this weekend. It just came like 2 months ago so it's lacking long-term stats and features and better analysis but this is way better than spot-checking counts at a time during the day since it's automated. It would be nice to see if is updated to be able to break out data by server (since the data basically just represents Korea as Korea server is massive compared to the others). It also has some nice features like seeing which map was most popular in the past 1, 7, or 30 days. You are also able to download the map. The site has so far accumulated over 34,000 unique maps. There is a contact page, so maybe if there are some ideas you think might be good might not be a bad idea to reach out. Would have to be in Korean though. This is awesome, thanks! | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10315 Posts
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hamsterkoster
3 Posts
On June 09 2024 09:19 FlaShFTW wrote: Curious out of those 34k unique maps, how many of them are just different versions of fighting spirit xd At least 140. There is a search icon at the bottom of this page: https://srank.kr/map-storage When I put in "fighting spirit" I got 140 results. Some other related terms "fighting" = 151 results "spirit" = 155 results "투혼" = 1023 results There are a lot of custom maps built on top of fighting spirit like vs hard comp, EUD versions, random ability versions, 1 fastest in corner vs 3 regular which inflates the count for 투혼. | ||
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Dakota_Fanning
Hungary2359 Posts
On June 07 2024 05:01 hamsterkoster wrote: Koreans have put together a site where a bot scrapes and uploads all maps being played on Battle Net: https://srank.kr The stated goal of the site (Translated): This site is a StarCraft: Brood War game, event, player, map database, sharing and analysis site. The goal of the site is to collect as much data as possible, preserve the legacy of StarCraft, and provide global statistics to the StarCraft community. Hmm..... Guess what's the content on repmastered.app's About page: RepMastered™ is a StarCraft®: Brood War® game, event, player and map database, replay sharing and analyzer site. It handles both "modern" (starting from 1.18) and "legacy" (pre 1.18) replays. The goal of the site is to collect every replay possible, preserve StarCraft's legacy and provide global statistics for the StarCraft community. The srank.kr site also provides some game analysis, the data seems to be identical to that displayed on repmastered.app. I wonder... | ||
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BulgarianToss
Bulgaria490 Posts
On June 11 2024 17:56 Dakota_Fanning wrote: Hmm..... Guess what's the content on repmastered.app's About page: The srank.kr site also provides some game analysis, the data seems to be identical to that displayed on repmastered.app. I wonder... Looks more like copied rather than translated  | ||
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hamsterkoster
3 Posts
On June 11 2024 17:56 Dakota_Fanning wrote: Hmm..... Guess what's the content on repmastered.app's About page: The srank.kr site also provides some game analysis, the data seems to be identical to that displayed on repmastered.app. I wonder... Maybe someone who actually knows Korean can tell? I just used Google Translate. Link to their about page: https://srank.kr/about-page And the source text that I used Google Translate on: 스타크래프트 통계 사이트 이 사이트는 스타크래프트: 브루드워 게임, 이벤트, 플레이어, 맵 데이터베이스, 공유 및 분석 사이트입니다. 사이트의 목표는 가능한 데이터를 수집하고, 스타크래프트의 유산을 보존하며, 스타크래프트 커뮤니티에 글로벌 통계를 제공하는 것입니다. The guy has contact info on the about page so if you feel like he's unfairly stolen your ideas you could perhaps reach out to him. He's the same guy that developed KLauncher so he does have somewhat of a reputation on the Korean space and I imagine it would be in his interest to be seen positive outside of Korea as well. I tried to see if there are any nonladder games on srank and I couldn't find any, so I doubt they're scraping data from your site. Based on the existence of https://cwal.gg/ though I'm pretty sure he's getting the data the same way cwal site is. Anyway, I'm more interested in the live game data storage and analysis, which was the purpose of this thread. As far as I can tell there hasn't been any publicly available data on what games are actually being hosted on Battlenet, otherwise someone else would've responded earlier in this thread with that information. | ||
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