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Is there an analyzer for buildorders in replays?

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Sonic_md
Profile Joined March 2020
Moldova278 Posts
December 25 2023 09:24 GMT
#1
Hello.

I really like watching various replays from top players and just strong ones.

I watch a lot of them. But it is often difficult to find something interesting.

For example, we recently played sSak vs sOma.

Terran set up 3 starports immediately after the Factory (without building a vulture).

So I would like to find some kind of analyzer where it was possible to find such unusual build orders in advance.

Without watching the replay itself.

Is there something similar? Thank you
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zimp
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary959 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-12-25 16:08:32
December 25 2023 15:23 GMT
#2
Not sure if you've heard of this software called BWChart? Only 20 years old. It introduced the concept of APM.

[image loading]
agentzimp
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Sonic_md
Profile Joined March 2020
Moldova278 Posts
December 25 2023 15:38 GMT
#3
Yes, I've heard of him. But I forgot

Thank you. I hope it will work with current versions of replays.
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Sonic_md
Profile Joined March 2020
Moldova278 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-12 16:54:30
March 12 2024 16:51 GMT
#4
https://i.ibb.co/DfQRHwt/1.png
https://ibb.co/3mcC9S7

Hi.
Decided to record a video based on a replay (Queen vs Rush).

A couple questions.

1)How do I remove the duration of the replay in the video (bottom right)
2)Why do I have old graphics in my replay? Just comparing to other people's recorded videos, you can see that they look prettier in the clips. Mine look like they are made up of pixels.

I have a new samsung monitor though (bought it this year).
hdmi, everything is set up correctly, etc.

thx

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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1209 Posts
March 12 2024 17:03 GMT
#5
On March 13 2024 01:51 Sonic_md wrote:
https://i.ibb.co/DfQRHwt/1.png
https://ibb.co/3mcC9S7

Hi.
Decided to record a video based on a replay (Queen vs Rush).

A couple questions.

1)How do I remove the duration of the replay in the video (bottom right)
2)Why do I have old graphics in my replay? Just comparing to other people's recorded videos, you can see that they look prettier in the clips. Mine look like they are made up of pixels.

I have a new samsung monitor though (bought it this year).
hdmi, everything is set up correctly, etc.

thx



you need to purchase the remasteres upgrade.

Also try scrchart. it provides better information than bwchart
JDON MY SOUL!
Sonic_md
Profile Joined March 2020
Moldova278 Posts
March 12 2024 17:45 GMT
#6
ok, thx, check pm

In BWchart, you could watch a bildorder from the "face of one player". In SCRChart, the bildorders are intermixed
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10313 Posts
March 12 2024 17:50 GMT
#7
On December 26 2023 00:23 zimp wrote:
Not sure if you've heard of this software called BWChart? Only 20 years old. It introduced the concept of APM.

[image loading]


Sidebar, according to Liquid`Drone, it was Liquid`Nazgul who pioneered the idea of APM:
On November 22 2021 22:09 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Ya, even APM as a concept is actually something Nazgul deserves credit for. I'm sure he doesn't remember it though.

There was another person from another forum - the battlereports/nohunters community (I think it was the user known was WilliamWC3), who had developed a program named SuperView, which you could use to look at data from replays, in an extremely rudimentary way. This program did not count actions for you, but it listed whenever a player had done something. I had this program, but had not really used it for anything - it gave you the raw data from a replay file, but it basically wasn't comprehensive at all.

After the world dream tour scandal, where ilnp (dudey) had gotten a korean progamer to play for him (oversky), and dudey said it was himself playing, nazgul approached me and asked if I could maybe try to use this program to see if dudey's raw data input from the WDT games looked similarly to how the raw data input from other games looked.

I then spent a decent amount of time counting individual actions from two different replays, and saw that the frequency WDT-dudey did stuff was about 2.5 times the frequency of regular-dudey. While this operated in 40 second frequencies rather than full minutes, this was essentially the first time, to my knowledge, that anyone used replay data to count how fast someone was playing.


From this thread:
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/575835-rise-of-a-nazgul
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Sonic_md
Profile Joined March 2020
Moldova278 Posts
March 12 2024 18:47 GMT
#8
Yes, BWChart has BuildOrders visually. I didn't find the same in SCRchart.
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1209 Posts
March 13 2024 23:01 GMT
#9
On March 13 2024 03:47 Sonic_md wrote:
Yes, BWChart has BuildOrders visually. I didn't find the same in SCRchart.


scrchart lists by timing. Wish SCRchart had the fucntion to toggle one player off for the buildings list.
[image loading]
JDON MY SOUL!
tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
Canada452 Posts
March 14 2024 00:49 GMT
#10
On March 14 2024 08:01 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
scrchart lists by timing. Wish SCRchart had the fucntion to toggle one player off for the buildings list.


available in the "Raw Commands" tab right now.

[image loading]
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/627255-progamer-settings
TL+ Member
maybe
Profile Joined January 2008
258 Posts
March 14 2024 07:39 GMT
#11
On March 13 2024 02:50 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2023 00:23 zimp wrote:
Not sure if you've heard of this software called BWChart? Only 20 years old. It introduced the concept of APM.

[image loading]


Sidebar, according to Liquid`Drone, it was Liquid`Nazgul who pioneered the idea of APM:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2021 22:09 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Ya, even APM as a concept is actually something Nazgul deserves credit for. I'm sure he doesn't remember it though.

There was another person from another forum - the battlereports/nohunters community (I think it was the user known was WilliamWC3), who had developed a program named SuperView, which you could use to look at data from replays, in an extremely rudimentary way. This program did not count actions for you, but it listed whenever a player had done something. I had this program, but had not really used it for anything - it gave you the raw data from a replay file, but it basically wasn't comprehensive at all.

After the world dream tour scandal, where ilnp (dudey) had gotten a korean progamer to play for him (oversky), and dudey said it was himself playing, nazgul approached me and asked if I could maybe try to use this program to see if dudey's raw data input from the WDT games looked similarly to how the raw data input from other games looked.

I then spent a decent amount of time counting individual actions from two different replays, and saw that the frequency WDT-dudey did stuff was about 2.5 times the frequency of regular-dudey. While this operated in 40 second frequencies rather than full minutes, this was essentially the first time, to my knowledge, that anyone used replay data to count how fast someone was playing.


From this thread:
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/575835-rise-of-a-nazgul


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