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I have it on good authority that in the next iccup season it will be optional to use antihack. If you use the antihack, you get 130% points for a win, if you don't use it and win, you get 100%. If a person who has it wins vs a person who doesn't, you get 100%. To check if a person has it, you would use /an. Then if you want to play only people who have it, you have to check them before playing.
Supposedly this is to encourage koreans to play who have issues with an antihack launcher. It supposedly is for the sole purpose of gaining more users to iccup under the assumption that the launcher did more bad than good. Basicly, iccup may get more members. But they may all hack. You can see if they use the ladder or not before playing, but that's a hassle. Apparently iccup is not so strict on hackers; they just want more users online.
Please discuss this. Also, perhaps explain what iccup could change to get more people to play.
It is possible they will wait a week to implement it, but as far as I know it will be implemented in this coming season.
Reply by Unk., later in this thread; I don't think I mention iccup's stance, and I think unk.'s reply does.
"have you ever thought about why did all private ladders gone? why wgtour hadn't start ? why pgtour hadn't rised from the dead? it is all about motivation. our motivation falls down as online users number is not growing. one day we compared an online user counter on iccup and brainclan server. it was 500 vs 50 000. 50 fucking tousand on a server with almost non-existent ladder. We talked with a lot of korean guys, admins and others. The answer was that a lot of koreans are lazy even for registering on webpage.. not even for running launcher!! That is why we enabled registration on the server and going to disable launcher mandatory. As for /ah command it will be pretty useless, cuz player with launcher will have colored nickname in the game lobby.
We provide you a ladder, you give us users. no users - no ladder, no ladder-no users. As simple as that. You asked anti-hack - we gave it. Did user online counter showed a bigger number? no.
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-mac//*nix users will be able to play
-one-click-registration. Just run bw and start playing.
-antihack still exists and working. moreover you will get extra-pts for nothing.
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-if you are not paranoid and will play agains person w/out antihack turned on, you eventually may be hacked. Anyway you will be able to make a complaint and hacker will get a ban for even a single suspicious move. Therefore, users without antihack won't be able to coomplaint about hackers" - unk.
Poll: Should iccup's antihack launcher be optional or mandatory?
(Vote): Mandatory, always required
(Vote): Optional, can do without for fewer points
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sounds good.. are you an admin nightmarjoo?
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8751 Posts
How does this fit in with point modifiers for motw?
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fuck that shit
i want safe place to play,antihack for all !
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... they should put the antihack, no matter if there are less members, the most important is to play in a hack free ladder ...
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Unless you heard it from unk it's not going to happen. I doubt they will do something like this. 
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eh i think its a good idea. most people will play with it anyway because any foreigner who gets high ranked and refuses to use the anti hack will automatically be under massive suspicion. its a ladder, the sole purpose is for practice. if making the antihack optional in order to get koreans (the best practice) on the server at the cost of a few retards hacking in something where the results are meaningless, definetly do it.
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It's a bad idea. I think it should be hack-free 100%.
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I believe it can be in 50% truth, why ?
- maybe in next version AntiHack will be option - plugin, because of that He will be crash on other servers than iCCup itself
- but it still will be need to play on iCCup - I hope so !
This is my bet for this information. We will be known the truth for two days. I hope they will not do it :/
First time I hear that Korean has problems with AntiHack oO There are a lot of them, even gosu and as a matter of fact: they rule ladder X)
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130% antihack on motw 120% antihack on normal 100% no antihack on motw, 90% no antihack on normal, apparently.
This isn't final.
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sound bad
should be anti hack for all
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uhm whats the problem?
all-games-launcher plz
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and we can report hackers if we lose right?
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is awesome32277 Posts
anti-hack always on please.
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bad.
PGT-launcher didn't stop them from playing pgt, why would an iccup launcher be any diffrent? :/
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Canada1724 Posts
Why wont koreans use the antihack?
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United States43598 Posts
If there was a separate ladder for the hackers we could finally quantify how much it matters. Like if a C rank player can beat a B when using hack. Ooh the possibilities. Probably simpler just to keep hackers out though.
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Wouldn't it be smarter to fix those issues with the launcher? Or is it a internet cafe thing?
I'm all for allways required. Cause if we have the possibility to do something against hackers, we should go for it. It's bad enough that we have hackers on normal bnet.
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Give everyone 130%! Make it even!
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korean ip = optional? :p
Mandatory plz
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have you ever thought about why did all private ladders gone? why wgtour hadn't start ? why pgtour hadn't rised from the dead? it is all about motivation. our motivation falls down as online users number is not growing. one day we compared an online user counter on iccup and brainclan server. it was 500 vs 50 000. 50 fucking tousand on a server with almost non-existent ladder. We talked with a lot of korean guys, admins and others. The answer was that a lot of koreans are lazy even for registering on webpage.. not even for running launcher!! That is why we enabled registration on the server and going to disable launcher mandatory. As for /ah command it will be pretty useless, cuz player with launcher will have colored nickname in the game lobby.
We provide you a ladder, you give us users. no users - no ladder, no ladder-no users. As simple as that. You asked anti-hack - we gave it. Did user online counter showed a bigger number? no.
summary
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-mac//*nix users will be able to play
-one-click-registration. Just run bw and start playing.
-antihack still exists and working. moreover you will get extra-pts for nothing.
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-if you are not paranoid and will play agains person w/out antihack turned on, you eventually may be hacked. Anyway you will be able to make a complaint and hacker will get a ban for even a single suspicious move. Therefore, users without antihack won't be able to coomplaint about hackers.
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Everything anti-hack should be mandatory... Who would WANT to play against a hacker? Seriously who?
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On September 03 2007 08:08 Leath wrote:
Why wont koreans use the antihack?
I don't think they enjoy using extra programs; there was a thread about why Korean commentators didn't use Penguin Plug when it would add a level of depth to the game.
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Korea (South)11591 Posts
On September 03 2007 09:17 Famehunter wrote:
Everything anti-hack should be mandatory... Who would WANT to play against a hacker? Seriously who?
exactly my point
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Try reading unk's post before making anymore stupidass replies like "WHO WANTS TO PLAY A HACKER LOL?"
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well that kind of good for some people
one of my friend cant run the anti hack so he will probably play and get less pts .
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Korea (South)11591 Posts
On September 03 2007 10:47 Auspicious wrote:
Try reading unk's post before making anymore stupidass replies like "WHO WANTS TO PLAY A HACKER LOL?"
I did read his entire post. If he provides a ladder, people will use it. If he provides a ladder, more people will come. It was just season 1, not everyone will crowd a random server just for the hell of it, they will wait and see other people's reviews on it.
If you were not there for PGT season 1/2, there were such a small amount of active people, and then look what it turned into in the end? D rank about 1500 would be ranked 20,000 Where season 1 or 2 it would be top 4,000
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isnt better to make the antihack compatible with koreans? oO
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read what unk (iccup admin) said. its not technical issues, its that theyre lazy.
once again, its a good thing. more players, especially koreans, is good. if you're really worried about hack a simple command guarantees that you get your anti hack, im sure people will include it in their spam/game name anyway.
besides, its a LADDER, its sole purpose is practice (the antihack should be manditory for iccup tournaments and clanleague and whatnot). those who hack only hurt themselves, and if anything it will avoid cases like hung and oldy because any foreigner whos high ranked and refuses to play on antihack will be under immediate suspicion.
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Well like he said, the command will be useless because apparently you can distinguish a player who has the anti-hack on rather from the person who doesn't.
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it doesnt matter how you find out, as long as you know if they have the anti hack on or not (if you care)
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
i voted optional, i feel that the popularity and longevity of a ladder is more important than how enforced its integrity is
i mean if non-hackers have the option of playing non-hackers there shouldn't be much of a problem there right?
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hack free ladder please.
this could be translated in other words to:
-"now hackers can get rid of the launcher!"
"hackers: i will just fake the message "i am using launcher duh" and wala magic!"-
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i dont understand why you would win less points if you beat someone thats not using the antihack
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ANTIHACK ON BLIZZARD SERVERS PLEASE! PLEASE TELL BLIZZARD TO MAKE ANTIHACKS FOR STARCRAFT 2 TOO PLEASE! MY SKILLZ > YOUR SKILLZ
+ Show Spoiler +
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added unk.'s reply to the top post.
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On September 03 2007 13:27 hwasingodlysense wrote:
"hackers: i will just fake the message "i am using launcher duh" and wala magic!"-
.. It will be easy to avoid playing people without the anti-hack launcher on. Even if they say they are on the launcher you will still know. From unk's post (he is ICCup admin):
player with launcher will have colored nickname in the game lobby.
So when you are getting a game going, you can see if your potential opponent is on the launcher or not. Simple really.
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
I'd say that this anti-hack feature will lead to gross abuse. The current system actually discourages it's usage.
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On September 03 2007 13:33 SoMuchBetter wrote:
i dont understand why you would win less points if you beat someone thats not using the antihack
This man has a very good point.
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yeah I was wondering too why we would won less points if we use the antihack and play against someone who doesnt
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Because people who don't use it will get less games --> more people will use the anti-hack.
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why are you suggesting this idea in the first place,,,do you want to use hacks on iccup?
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the very special message from dogmeat:
if you dont like it dont play it idiots!
thats all, thanks for attention
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voted optional, for reasons already stated in the thread.
Hope if it is implemented it works as it should.
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On September 03 2007 18:40 5HITCOMBO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2007 13:33 SoMuchBetter wrote:
i dont understand why you would win less points if you beat someone thats not using the antihack This man has a very good point.
read attentevly! if you are using antihack you will get the same pts both in case your opponent using anti hack and in case he don't
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The iccup admins need to have more patience. You did your work very well, but you must not start panicking to early. You know you made a good product, be confident about it.
People will come!
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why are so many people voting manditory? there is 0 rationale behind it besides the 'i want to play hack free', which you get anyway if you just insist on using the launcher. its kinda selfish to demand when there are other people who dont care and just want as many high quality games as possible.
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i must be the only person left on this site who doesn't care if my opponent is hacking or not
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USA29055 Posts
On September 04 2007 01:42 SoMuchBetter wrote:
i must be the only person left on this site who doesn't care if my opponent is hacking or not
Yes because that doesnt make sense at all.
I think the only way to get koreans to flock to the ladder in masse is the same way PGT did and ICCUP first did... big cash prize for an entire season -> tourney. Koreans whore towards that more than anyone (probably because their odds of winning are a LOT higher).
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Washington, D.C9934 Posts
oh those dirty little whores
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On September 03 2007 06:00 IdrA wrote:
eh i think its a good idea. most people will play with it anyway because any foreigner who gets high ranked and refuses to use the anti hack will automatically be under massive suspicion. its a ladder, the sole purpose is for practice. if making the antihack optional in order to get koreans (the best practice) on the server at the cost of a few retards hacking in something where the results are meaningless, definetly do it.
ICCup has prizes. So yeah, we need an antihack, if koreans don't want it then don't play it.
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like i said, antihack should be manditory in the tournaments (including ladder-end one) where results matter.
on a ladder they dont
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OMFG i cant believe this is true.
i though you were joking.
-__________-!!!
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i think it can be good and can be bad at the same time
like if alot of koreans who wont get the launcher now start playing, they may eventually realize that it's alot more beneficial to use the launcher and stop being so lazy
on the other hand it will make absolutely no difference in points in the ratio of ppl who use the launcher/ ppl who don't use the launcher is like 50/50 cause then everyone will just play everyone and the launcher will be useless
and of course there are hackers ect.. but most of the people who hack are newbs anyway, and the only real abuse here would be if someone who is like C- gamer without hack gets to like A with the hack, which I think would be obvious to tell
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iccup is a great ladder
i just wanna say thanks for running it.
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8751 Posts
i agree with idra. and im glad that the poll here doesn't mean shit and won't make a difference. iccup is making a good move.
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I voted mandatory until i read the thread, now i would definitely vote the other way.
This is a great idea =)
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On September 03 2007 09:13 unk. wrote:
have you ever thought about why did all private ladders gone? why wgtour hadn't start ? why pgtour hadn't rised from the dead? it is all about motivation. our motivation falls down as online users number is not growing. one day we compared an online user counter on iccup and brainclan server. it was 500 vs 50 000. 50 fucking tousand on a server with almost non-existent ladder. We talked with a lot of korean guys, admins and others. The answer was that a lot of koreans are lazy even for registering on webpage.. not even for running launcher!! That is why we enabled registration on the server and going to disable launcher mandatory. As for /ah command it will be pretty useless, cuz player with launcher will have colored nickname in the game lobby.
We provide you a ladder, you give us users. no users - no ladder, no ladder-no users. As simple as that. You asked anti-hack - we gave it. Did user online counter showed a bigger number? no.
summary
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-mac//*nix users will be able to play
-one-click-registration. Just run bw and start playing.
-antihack still exists and working. moreover you will get extra-pts for nothing.
[-]
-if you are not paranoid and will play agains person w/out antihack turned on, you eventually may be hacked. Anyway you will be able to make a complaint and hacker will get a ban for even a single suspicious move. Therefore, users without antihack won't be able to coomplaint about hackers. good choices there.
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o man iccup is so on the wrong pad here..
its not about quantity its about QUALITY
the quaility of iccup is not at the point of PGT, pgt was a awasome succes not because of the mass gamers online at the same time like brain clan but because of its quality, the userfriendly interface
nice features and ofcourse a stable and hack-free environment to practice (or just play for fun)
to practice the latest pro-league maps even aplace for PRO-GAMERS to practice, now thats quaility
thats what makes a private server so exiciting it really is a competition for the LEGIT-best gamers online
@ unk/iccup : if you dont understand this and only stare yourself blind on ''users online statistics'' youre a complete doofus man... and thats kinda whats happening now
you should focus on getting to a quality level like PGT the longer the server stays stable and more known due to the fact that there are allready pro-gamers practicing on the server the user statistics
will go up to like PGT to like 1000 online in peeks (thats an awsome fucking GOOD server)
and another thing that causes youre number of users online to not peek: there is no part on the site that shows how manny users there are online at peek hour/rush-hour... geezus its so simple...
people see when the server users number peeks and see :''oh at that time its a good time to play since there are alot of users onlin''
really i think you guys dont nearly think enough bout how to handle a private server
another thing : the MOTW system is quite a failure if u use it the way iccup does like 5/6 maps are MOTW every week and it bearly chances this causes it to not work properly i dont think i need to explain myself hope you can see for youre self what the concequences of that are
but eh iccup and all bad its a great job putting up the anti-hack launcher although i dont know how well it actually works but nevermind good server anyway
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