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[ASL12] Ro4 Preview - Deja Vu!

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[ASL12] Ro4 Preview - Deja Vu!

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October 23rd, 2021 17:22 GMT
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Somehow this season’s top 4 are the same seeded players going into this season, clearly they have proved to everyone why they’ve earned their seed not just from last season but this season too, Even the brackets look all to similar minus the loss of Larva(whos spot Rush took in the wildcard to obtain his seed going into this season), we have on the topside a rematch between Mini the last hope of protoss and ZerO looking for his third ASL win and on the other side we have Rush finally making Ro4 on his own and earning his spot going up against hero who’s looking to make another finals after coming so close last season.

Group A Preview

Been There, Done That

Deja vu, I’ve been in this place before, (P)Mini vs (Z)ZerO in the Ro4 of the ASL, this is exactly where and who ZerO fell to last season, will we see a repeat performance, one which is made more grand with Mini on the road to become the latest in the line of legends of the fall? Or will ZerO get his revenge and crush the final hopes of the protoss race. Grand stakes on the road to the Grand Finals.

Mini has not only been the last bastion of hope for protoss but also the most successful offline PvZ player in quite some, his recent sponbbang results while good don’t exactly reflect such a grand standing with a 53% winrate against Zerg since the start of September, but as far as his head to head with ZerO goes off the 20 games they’ve played during that period he is 11-9 which is pretty nice to have against someone like ZerO.

ZerO seems to be in a bad spot against protoss off late yes he has a 52% winrate but overall the quality of opponents that he’s beating isn’t on par with the level of protoss mini is, ZerO has a losing record against Snow, BeSt and as mentioned earlier Mini, hes barely got one over on free, this is going be a tough series, its not like last time he’s coming off of a back to back championship run, if anything this time it feels like its ZerO whos the underdog of the series.

Maps
(Wiki)Eclipse - (P)Mini
(Wiki)Largo - (Z)ZerO
(Wiki)Revolver - (P)Mini
(Wiki)Polypoid - (Z)ZerO
(Wiki)Ascension - (P)Mini
(Wiki)GOOD NIGHT - (Z)ZerO
(Wiki)Lemon -Afreeca pick

Unsurprising opening pick for mini, Protoss has been really strong against zerg on Eclipse offline, protoss going 5-2 this season, online, its still a bit zerg favored, off late I have seen zergs struggle to protoss pressure and being unable to secure that 4th gas base, with Mini its almost guaranteed you’re seeing that kind of pressure.

Likewise for ZerO, Largo is a nobrainer first pick for Zergs against protoss, Zergs are undefeated offline and online hold a 60% winrate against protoss, although I will say this map has some great proxy spots for protoss to abuse scouting so ZerO has to look out for that.

First offline PvZ on Revolver, online its a 60% winrate for protoss, I have not seen many games on this map for PvZ but from what I’ve seen zergs do try to end the game quick with the good ol’ hydra bust(the SH spam).

Polypoid is the standard bearer making the return run, and it is phenomenal for zerg, another excellent pick for ZerO, undefeated in the matchup offline and online racking up at 63% for zerg, it really comes down to how well zergs are able to hold onto their bases on this map over protoss, I do think this is the map where Mini is going to show his best nonstop aggression and harassment.

Set 5 is on Ascension, extremely surprising pick because we’ve seen before even last season that this is a map that Mini has some troubles with against zerg, its very easy to punish greed in the early game with how easy it is for zerg to get into the protoss main with zerglings, maybe Mini wants to get this over with earlier rather than later, but online its a fairly balanced map for the matchup with a slight 52% favor towards protoss.

GOOD NIGHT comes in for set 6 and yeah this map is tough for protoss, a whopping 74% winrate for zerg, and it comes down to how far away that 3rd gas base is for the protoss, theres not a lot protoss can do for long on 2 gas.

Finally we get Lemon, the gimmickiest map on the pool, its no surprise its been left to last in both Ro4 series because I cannot imagine anyone wanting to play on it, online there have only been 8 games played on it in the last 2 months, split right down the middle at 50%. Yeah, if its come to this, I’d still pick mini to win because mini just has ZerO’s number in the matchup.

(P)Mini to Advance to the Grand Finals 4-2!

Group B Preview

Momentum man

The question we are all asking, “Where in the hell did (T)Rush come from?" To find (T)Rush in the Brood War professional data base, you have to scroll through 4 pages, 131 names, and you will find him neighbors with (T)ElkY who not only shares the same elo, but has a higher peak than (T)Rush. This (T)Rushcame from the bowels of the CJ Entus practice squad and only managed a total of 10 games of standard league play.

Remarkably, (T)Rush has been playing competitive Starcraft since 2009 and even during his limited moments (T)Rush still made quite a showing for himself throughout the Kespa era. In five appearances for TvZ matches he played games against (Z)ZerO and (Z)Action, while winning games against (Z)RorO, (Z)Jaedong, and (Z)Soulkey on his way to a 60% winrate in the matchup. While (T)Rush’s career was on the incline and he was winning his game in 2012, Brood War proleague was on the decline and (T)Rush would soon be without team.

(T)Rush returns in 2015 where he faces his first opponent in the post Kespa Era and it’s no other than (Z)hero. They meet in the round of 32 where (T)Rush wins the match. They meet again in the round of 8 where (T)Rush defeats (Z)hero again by a 3-2 score. After his great start, (T)Rush would go on to lose his next 7 TvZs. After such a long losing streak across 3 tournaments, (T)Rush finds his groove again by defeating (Z)hero once again in a best of 3 series.

At the very end of 2016, (Z)hero starts to turn things around on (T)Rush. In Afreeca Starleague Season 2 (T)Rush is eliminated in the group stages by (Z)hero. This sent (T)Rush into Round of 24 prison. While (Z)hero enjoyed some quality results and served time in the military, it took (T)Rush 6 seasons to finally advance to the next round. By season 10 (Z)hero has finally returned in limited form and both advance through the round of 24 at the top of their groups. At this point (T)Rush finds himself seeking refuge in Wild Card matches as each tournament sees its new round of players leaving for mandatory service. In season 11 both players finally meet again after 5 years. With a rich history between the two, (Z)hero takes nothing for granted and hands (T)Rush a 2-0 loss. Still, each player advances into the quarterfinals where (Z)hero finishes third and (T)Rush is eliminated.



It is no wonder that (T)Rush and (Z)hero meet again even further down the bracket pole. Both players have showed such incredible improvement to their gameplay. A step away from winning the gold, the healthy competition online between the two has intensified. (T)Rush was winning 58% of the games played vs (Z)hero in their past 72 games, but (Z)hero has buckled down on the matchup and seen (T)Rush’s winrate go down to just 52%. They are now 11-10 in head-to-head matchups since the beginning of October. All the evidences points to being the most competitive and thrilling TvZ series since Effort played Flash for the gold.

Match 1: The series kicks off with (T)Rush's map pick, Polypoid. This is the fourth ASL season of the map that favors Terran 57% of the time in the TvZ matchup. (T)Rush went undefeated on Polypoid in the wild card qualifier matches and in throughout the main tournament defeating Barracks, Best, Snow, and Soma along the way. Online matches reinforce his Polypoid dominance as he is winning over 60% of his matches versus Zerg. Without a doubt this map is giving (T)Rush a huge advantage to start off the tournament and he should be up 1-0 to start the series.

Match 2: Hero's first selection was Ascension which unsurprisingly has a 56% winrate for Zerg players. Hero has been winning 63% of his online match since August with this map and in the past 3 weeks has been winning over 80% of his matches on Ascension. The big irony here is that Ascension is the one map (Z)hero got meched to death on. He really must be certain that he can beat mech, because (T)Rush has an even better Mech playstyle then Light and will most assuredly be using it. Knowing what happened in the round of 8, this Zerg favored map will be lost once again putting (T)Rush up 2-0.

Match 3: The map bounces back to (T)Rush who chose Eclipse. This dual tileset map has proven to be quite even since it was brought into competitive play in 2020. (T)Rush’s pick is less about balance, but about being a sadist. He suffered an 0-2 defeat to Soulkey in the round of 16 where one of his only map loses this tournament occurred on eclipse. While he does have a 56% winrate online versus (Z)hero, (Z)hero has an even record against (T)Rush. (Z)hero will be looking to get on the scoreboard here knowing (T)Rush’s weaknesses on this map and takes the score to 2-1.

Match 4: Goodnight is the map that sent (Z)hero into the loser’s finals of his round of 16 bracket. He loss to the lesser Terran, sorry. It totally makes sense he’d bring that nightmare back is his second map selection. It is seriously a good pick for him. (Z)hero not only is winning 60% of his online games versus Terran, but is winning an amazing 67% of his matches across all races. (Z)hero has a ton of comfortability on this map and he will definitely take game 4 here with the score moving to 2-2.

Match 5: Largo will be played in the fifth match. This map is brand new to competitive leagues and (T)Rush picks this map hoping he can capitalize on (Z)hero’s weakness against mech again. (T)Rush is winning 69% of his online games versus (Z)hero on this map. That’s a 12% higher winrate then he has against all other zergs. (T)Rush will be relentless against (Z)hero on his way to stopping a 0-3 skid from happening.

Match 6: Revolver is another new map this season. With (Z)hero low on map picks, he had to decide whether to bite the bullet on this map or try not to suck on lemon in the next map. This is a rough map. Soma versus (T)Rush featured a marine death march brigade that overwhelmed his zerg opponent. The eco advantage for Soma looked enormous and (T)Rush was somehow able to just shove his army down the face of his opponent. (Z)hero looked well prepared for Light on this map. Despite his losing record versus (T)Rush online, (Z)hero is a more stable zerg and will take this series to game 7.

Match 7: The "no one wanted this" map, Lemon, is finally getting playtime. It starts off by handing a Terran player 2 gases in the main base! What a way to start the game. Despite the winning Terran record, there are many frustrations for the race. The main is extremely small and hard to navigate in. The oversized mineral line puts a ton of your scvs in one spot to be picked on and the natural has a lot of surface area behind the minerals that will have to be heavily guarded. Without a doubt (Z)hero will open with heavy mutalisk play. It makes no sense for him to even test his luck versus (T)Rush in the late game. I expect a well-seasoned player like (Z)hero to bring his extremely high APM and out-micro his opponent has he overcomes a dramatic series and advances to the finals!

Prediction:

(Z)hero Advances to the Grand Finals 4-3



Writers: BisuDagger, BLinD-RawR
Graphics: v1
Editors: BLinD-RawR

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HOLYBATS
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Turkey745 Posts
October 23 2021 20:31 GMT
#2
What a job map by map review! Thanks for this great work.
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October 23 2021 21:07 GMT
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im sorry but this reads like it was translated from a different language
the only way out is through...
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Croatia9519 Posts
October 23 2021 22:37 GMT
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My heart says we get PvT in finals, but my brain says it's a ZvZ.
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France3413 Posts
October 24 2021 02:36 GMT
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On October 24 2021 07:37 2Pacalypse- wrote:
My heart says we get PvT in finals, but my brain says it's a ZvZ.


Same, but then we d get a PvT for 3rd place so that s fine too, i hope not to see pvz/tvz though
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October 24 2021 05:59 GMT
#6
I feel like he's been going by "Queen" long enough to be referred to by that name instead of "ZerO". Every time I see "ZerO" in Liquipedia I go "who?" before remembering "oh yeah, that's Queen's old name".
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Last Edited: 2021-10-24 11:24:29
October 24 2021 10:18 GMT
#7
Please refrain from having the titles in foreign in future, I can't speak Italian, thanks
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October 24 2021 16:12 GMT
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I think Rush will probably beat Hero. While the showing against Light was impressive, Light also made some weird errors.
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