Tasteless Vs CatZ - Page 2

On June 04 2020 20:59 SuGo wrote:


Still surprised people don't know this. Yes, it's global but it's based on latency pairing.

-A majority of Europe don't pair to Koreans due to the natural latency lacking the ability to achieve TR16. Ever notice people like Bonyth rarely pair KR? This isn't a call out, just a fact, for a popular streamer, so that people can visualize it. EU are typically playing against each other.
...[Please note I am using words like 'majority,' 'rarely,' and 'typically' -- before some random EU comes in here saying "WELL I PAIR KR SOMETIMES!!"]. Of course there are outliers and some in EU who probably have good latency to KR.

-Americans pair to Koreans often because we have the ability to get TR16 more readily. Typically in US, you don't need to wait long between games. I queue within 1minute or less always.

-If you live in Korea, well, you get the idea...

It's a global ladder, sure, but with the parameter of "IF" you can achieve certain latency to other regions, including Korea. This makes NA ladder harder than EU ladder, and makes KR ladder harder than both and gives MMR ranges a bit of disparity from region to region. NA MMR is different than EU MMR and so on. NA ladder is second hardest due to these things. It's hard to say "+150 MMR harder" or something like this when comparing regions, but it is undoubtedly harder. Take it for what you want.

Did you really think that some Europeans or LATAM players are just magically getting 2200+ so easily, with 70%+ win rates? Not an attack on anyone, but just think about it for a second...

Do I think someone like Bonyth or Eonzerg can still get 2400+ regardless of who they play on ladder? Yes. But not everyone is Bonyth or Eonzerg. And they probably won't have 80% win ratios playing Koreans non-stop, and that alone is a big difference even for top players like this.

From my own personal perspective, it is day and night playing against 2200-2300 foreigner vs. 2200-2300 Korean. Especially the Terrans. I'd say the gap is actually quite substantial, from my own experiences.

On June 04 2020 20:59 SuGo wrote:


Still surprised people don't know this. Yes, it's global but it's based on latency pairing.

-A majority of Europe don't pair to Koreans due to the natural latency lacking the ability to achieve TR16. Ever notice people like Bonyth rarely pair KR? This isn't a call out, just a fact, for a popular streamer, so that people can visualize it. EU are typically playing against each other.
...[Please note I am using words like 'majority,' 'rarely,' and 'typically' -- before some random EU comes in here saying "WELL I PAIR KR SOMETIMES!!"]. Of course there are outliers and some in EU who probably have good latency to KR.

-Americans pair to Koreans often because we have the ability to get TR16 more readily. Typically in US, you don't need to wait long between games. I queue within 1minute or less always.

-If you live in Korea, well, you get the idea...

It's a global ladder, sure, but with the parameter of "IF" you can achieve certain latency to other regions, including Korea. This makes NA ladder harder than EU ladder, and makes KR ladder harder than both and gives MMR ranges a bit of disparity from region to region. NA MMR is different than EU MMR and so on. NA ladder is second hardest due to these things. It's hard to say "+150 MMR harder" or something like this when comparing regions, but it is undoubtedly harder. Take it for what you want.

Did you really think that some Europeans or LATAM players are just magically getting 2200+ so easily, with 70%+ win rates? Not an attack on anyone, but just think about it for a second...

Do I think someone like Bonyth or Eonzerg can still get 2400+ regardless of who they play on ladder? Yes. But not everyone is Bonyth or Eonzerg. And they probably won't have 80% win ratios playing Koreans non-stop, and that alone is a big difference even for top players like this.

From my own personal perspective, it is day and night playing against 2200-2300 foreigner vs. 2200-2300 Korean. Especially the Terrans. I'd say the gap is actually quite substantial, from my own experiences.

On June 04 2020 20:59 SuGo wrote:

It's a global ladder, sure, but with the parameter of "IF" you can achieve certain latency to other regions, including Korea. This makes NA ladder harder than EU ladder, and makes KR ladder harder than both and gives MMR ranges a bit of disparity from region to region. NA MMR is different than EU MMR and so on. NA ladder is second hardest due to these things. It's hard to say "+150 MMR harder" or something like this when comparing regions, but it is undoubtedly harder. Take it for what you want.

On June 05 2020 04:03 LG)Sabbath wrote:

Mostly accurate but you are adding a bit to the misconception here. Saying NA or EU ladder is not accurate, for example I am in SA but rarely get matched with many other SA players so there are separate regions even in the same continent and country. I get matched with a good amount of koreans, and never with europeans. On the other hand there is also the timezone issue, where if you play at a certain time always, you will be part of a MMR range that is different than if you played at a different time.

All in all the MMR regions are unpredictable and vary wildly which is why sometimes you'll watch a strong player stream and they might play a terrible 2300 player and sometimes a good 1900 player.

Blizzard is not helping this entire issue by putting regions in the launcher, I often run into koreans that start whining that I am "on the korean server" and that I should just leave their server, which is of course impossible for me to do.

On June 04 2020 16:51 kogeT wrote:


You are matched based on latency. That is why Europeans rearly get matched vs Koreans, but if you live in Korea you play exclusively vs Koreans (so overall difficulty lvl for your MMR will be a bit higher)

On June 05 2020 08:54 Jonoman92 wrote:
I seem to recall knowing CatZ as a pretty good sc2 player (and more recently he was streaming dota2 a bit). Was he into bw before that?