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Tasteless Vs CatZ

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theaGOny
Profile Joined August 2019
10 Posts
June 04 2020 06:51 GMT
#1
So i dont know if there is already an event made for this or not, but it would be great if someone could add this if not.

Here are the story of how the grudge started

www.youtube.com

Its about to take off June the 11th 13:00 KST.
Would be cool if we could rally up and get Day9 or Artosis to cast this as well?

Sorry if it was already taken care of this event, but havent seen anything about here so
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2037 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-04 06:57:09
June 04 2020 06:57 GMT
#2
Lol Tasteless will stomp him. From what I have seen CatZ is very very begginer (1500 lvl?) while Tasteless is around 1900 on KR server..?
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10672 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-04 07:20:36
June 04 2020 07:19 GMT
#3
On June 04 2020 15:57 kogeT wrote:
Lol Tasteless will stomp him. From what I have seen CatZ is very very begginer (1500 lvl?) while Tasteless is around 1900 on KR server..?

What does the Server have to do with anything though? Aren't we still on Global ladder?

EDIT : This will be really fun, I saw CatZ post about it on Twitter, whoever wins it will still be fun because of the Nostalgia factor of these two playing again, back in their hay day they were both in X17.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 04 2020 07:29 GMT
#4
On June 04 2020 16:19 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2020 15:57 kogeT wrote:
Lol Tasteless will stomp him. From what I have seen CatZ is very very begginer (1500 lvl?) while Tasteless is around 1900 on KR server..?

What does the Server have to do with anything though? Aren't we still on Global ladder?

Who do you think Tasteless matches with while living in Korea?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1020 Posts
June 04 2020 07:44 GMT
#5
Having witness that on X17 a while back, I will certainly watch it!
CatZ never was the best, but he's kinda creative and funny to rail. On the other hand, it looks like Tasteless is playing good from the few games I've seen of him recently. But after hearing the full story from CatZ YouTube video, Tastle's mouse will be too shaky. 3-1 CatZ.
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2037 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-04 07:51:28
June 04 2020 07:51 GMT
#6
On June 04 2020 16:19 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2020 15:57 kogeT wrote:
Lol Tasteless will stomp him. From what I have seen CatZ is very very begginer (1500 lvl?) while Tasteless is around 1900 on KR server..?

What does the Server have to do with anything though? Aren't we still on Global ladder?

EDIT : This will be really fun, I saw CatZ post about it on Twitter, whoever wins it will still be fun because of the Nostalgia factor of these two playing again, back in their hay day they were both in X17.


You are matched based on latency. That is why Europeans rearly get matched vs Koreans, but if you live in Korea you play exclusively vs Koreans (so overall difficulty lvl for your MMR will be a bit higher)
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4127 Posts
June 04 2020 08:02 GMT
#7
On June 04 2020 16:19 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2020 15:57 kogeT wrote:
Lol Tasteless will stomp him. From what I have seen CatZ is very very begginer (1500 lvl?) while Tasteless is around 1900 on KR server..?

What does the Server have to do with anything though? Aren't we still on Global ladder?

EDIT : This will be really fun, I saw CatZ post about it on Twitter, whoever wins it will still be fun because of the Nostalgia factor of these two playing again, back in their hay day they were both in X17.


A 1900 rating on KR server is MUCH better than a 1900 rating on other servers as you will mostly get matched with Koreans who are generally on a higher level.
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2037 Posts
June 04 2020 08:04 GMT
#8
I wouldnt say it is "much" better, but I agree that 1900 on KR would be probably like 2000 on EU.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
CrymeaTerran
Profile Joined May 2017
149 Posts
June 04 2020 08:39 GMT
#9
Ez stomp
Sziky = Love
QuadroX
Profile Joined August 2017
386 Posts
June 04 2020 08:40 GMT
#10
If CatZ can take at least one or two games it would be awesome. Hope it's well hyped and properly casted.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10672 Posts
June 04 2020 09:01 GMT
#11
Ok I didn't know it was only per latency, then I wonder why I play 90%++ all Korean players living in SoCal
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
June 04 2020 09:23 GMT
#12
Awesome! By the way anyone figured out some decent VPN to play on korean ladder? Whenever I try to ladder queue is so long and as a busy person my patience ends when it gets 300+ sec. I really want insta match.
sunbeams are never made like me...
LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1430 Posts
June 04 2020 09:34 GMT
#13
Hey theaGOny can u pls put the proper image up there?


[image loading]
ko-fi.com/luckynoob
QuadroX
Profile Joined August 2017
386 Posts
June 04 2020 09:48 GMT
#14
Seems like it's much more important to figure out who is right about playing Koreans on global ladder and how their MMR is higher than foreigners. Let's grab some popcorn.
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
June 04 2020 10:45 GMT
#15
what is a catz?
MuNi
Profile Joined July 2009
United States72 Posts
June 04 2020 11:17 GMT
#16
On June 04 2020 17:02 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2020 16:19 GGzerG wrote:
On June 04 2020 15:57 kogeT wrote:
Lol Tasteless will stomp him. From what I have seen CatZ is very very begginer (1500 lvl?) while Tasteless is around 1900 on KR server..?

What does the Server have to do with anything though? Aren't we still on Global ladder?

EDIT : This will be really fun, I saw CatZ post about it on Twitter, whoever wins it will still be fun because of the Nostalgia factor of these two playing again, back in their hay day they were both in X17.


A 1900 rating on KR server is MUCH better than a 1900 rating on other servers as you will mostly get matched with Koreans who are generally on a higher level.


Hm. I would think (living on the west coast myself) that it isn't like that for all servers. The vast majority of people I play are Koreans.
MANTOSS
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44277 Posts
June 04 2020 11:46 GMT
#17
Super excited for this
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-04 11:57:03
June 04 2020 11:48 GMT
#18
On June 04 2020 18:01 GGzerG wrote:
Ok I didn't know it was only per latency, then I wonder why I play 90%++ all Korean players living in SoCal


depends on the time you play. I get mostly Koreans because I play usually when Korean numbers are near their peak while foreigner numbers are lower. If you play very late at night or very early in the morning, I think you will probably encounter mostly Koreans because most people seem to like to play starcraft in the afternoon
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-04 11:59:54
June 04 2020 11:55 GMT
#19
Also, I can attest to what kogeT said about non-korean mmr. I am often outclassed by a high 1800+ korean but I find high 1800s and even 1900s non-Koreans to be pretty beatable.
SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-04 14:07:01
June 04 2020 11:59 GMT
#20
On June 04 2020 16:19 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2020 15:57 kogeT wrote:
Lol Tasteless will stomp him. From what I have seen CatZ is very very begginer (1500 lvl?) while Tasteless is around 1900 on KR server..?

What does the Server have to do with anything though? Aren't we still on Global ladder?

EDIT : This will be really fun, I saw CatZ post about it on Twitter, whoever wins it will still be fun because of the Nostalgia factor of these two playing again, back in their hay day they were both in X17.


Still surprised people don't know this. Yes, it's global but it's based on latency pairing.

-A majority of Europe don't pair to Koreans due to the natural latency lacking the ability to achieve TR16. Ever notice people like Bonyth rarely pair KR? This isn't a call out, just a fact, for a popular streamer, so that people can visualize it. EU are typically playing against each other.
...[Please note I am using words like 'majority,' 'rarely,' and 'typically' -- before some random EU comes in here saying "WELL I PAIR KR SOMETIMES!!"]. Of course there are outliers and some in EU who probably have good latency to KR.

-Americans pair to Koreans often because we have the ability to get TR16 more readily. Typically in US, you don't need to wait long between games. I queue within 1minute or less always.

-If you live in Korea, well, you get the idea...

It's a global ladder, sure, but with the parameter of "IF" you can achieve certain latency to other regions, including Korea. This makes NA ladder harder than EU ladder, and makes KR ladder harder than both and gives MMR ranges a bit of disparity from region to region. NA MMR is different than EU MMR and so on. NA ladder is second hardest due to these things. It's hard to say "+150 MMR harder" or something like this when comparing regions, but it is undoubtedly harder. Take it for what you want.

Did you really think that some Europeans or LATAM players are just magically getting 2200+ so easily, with 70%+ win rates? Not an attack on anyone, but just think about it for a second...

Do I think someone like Bonyth or Eonzerg can still get 2400+ regardless of who they play on ladder? Yes. But not everyone is Bonyth or Eonzerg. And they probably won't have 80% win ratios playing Koreans non-stop, and that alone is a big difference even for top players like this.

From my own personal perspective, it is day and night playing against 2200-2300 foreigner vs. 2200-2300 Korean. Especially the Terrans. I'd say the gap is actually quite substantial, from my own experiences.
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