EPTTasteless Vs CatZ - Page 4
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HaN-
France1920 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28786 Posts
On June 08 2020 22:26 SuGo wrote: You think this because your latency to KR is not good, so it lags, and they don't want to play you. Likely, you shouldn't be pairing KR anyways if you can't maintain TR 16 Low, but there are obviously instances where you'll sneak by. For NA players, this isn't really the case. Mostly, when I play KR at 2100+ it's regular games, and it is way different than playing a 2100 European, that's for sure. If that's your perspective, it makes sense, but that doesn't change the fact for how it is in NA. Your experience doesn't change what happens in NA. NA pairs TR 16 low or better with KR, it's typically smooth. So hopefully you can understand why experiences would vastly differ... to be clear, I am not rejecting your experience. I understand why you feel this way, but don't reject the NA experience either. Also you mention Nyoken, but that's not actually true. When Nyoken was laddering from US, he had MUCH higher win rate and also 2250+ easily. But of course, using some specific examples here and there is not a good argument. Of course some top players can perform well regardless. Not to mention, the argument can be made that someone who moves to KR and grinds many games would have improved too, so you are forgetting that learning curve and adaptation of a very strong player. The poiint is, you can't just pick a few outliers and make a point for it. I'm talking majority here; outlier arguments can be used for anything... Lastly, you mention a point regarding correlation of ladder play to tournament play. This is not a good talking point to the context. We're talking just ladder, and as you know, a player of your skill, ladder and tournament play is much different. For instance, I would say I'm a pretty good ladder player, but am not as strong in tournaments. Lot of factors go into tournaments like experience, preparation, nervousness, etc. So you can't use that as an argument to talk about if ladder is more difficult or not, that's not logical. It's comparing apples and oranges. Before NA was getting paired to KR often, I was getting 2300+ with 80% win rates. Now? 2200+ with like 50-60% win rate, and sometimes getting knocked below 2100 if I pair some KR monsters who are 1900 and I lose -40 lol, which does happen more often than you'd imagine. 1: talking about players who ladder on both NA and KR or EU and KR, the sample size is very small. It's not really 'outliers', it's just that the sample is tiny. 2: The context is about whether the BSL qualification system is unfair towards NA, if they have a harder time qualifying or not. I'm saying 'meh' to that, and the evidence I use is tournament performance, because there's nothing really indicating that there are a lot of NA players who would perform well in proleague but who aren't able to qualify due to NA ladder being harder. If anything, you can say that using ladder as a qualification for a tournament is fundamentally unfair (because as you say, ladder play is different from tournament play, so if you want the best tournament players, you shouldn't go based on ladder performance, but tournament performance.) For BSL9, there are arguably two american players who you might say are good enough but who didn't make it - Jaeyun and Ty2 - but those two seem to have struggled more with rust and wanting to race pick than with being paired too much with koreans. Ty2 is a prime example of someone who is better in a tournament setting than a ladder setting anyway. Top NA players like dragon models crossy managed to qualify through the ladder, and none of them escaped Ro16 group stage. Also I've had plenty games with koreans where it was tr16 low (less as of late though, dunno what happened) and where I don't feel it as laggy, but they still do dumb bs stuff. Might be cuz I random as much as cause of the lag, though.  | ||
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Radivel-X17
Canada144 Posts
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
And yes, CatZ prefers using the Carbot graphics on Remastered. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10380 Posts
On June 10 2020 05:16 Chris_Havoc wrote: For those who are curious CatZ posted this video of him be being trained by Hydra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTmAks9M4OA And yes, CatZ prefers using the Carbot graphics on Remastered. I love catz's banter. Also god I cannot watch that carbot skin lol I have no idea what's going on. | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1537 Posts
On June 10 2020 05:55 FlaShFTW wrote: I love catz's banter. Also god I cannot watch that carbot skin lol I have no idea what's going on. I HATE to agree with FlashFTW... But I can't watch CB either. Still I HAVE to ROOTCatZ... Zerg... Underdog... Let's go! | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19338 Posts
On June 10 2020 05:55 FlaShFTW wrote: I love catz's banter. Also god I cannot watch that carbot skin lol I have no idea what's going on. Lol, I play exclusively on carbot skin. It actually helps my colorblindness a lot and things are easier to click on. | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
Combat-ex and Chill casting together?! | ||
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blind429
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QuadroX
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Galacsia
Chile163 Posts
On June 06 2020 06:25 Chris_Havoc wrote: CatZ is also a Grandmaster-level SC2 player, so I give the mechanical edge to CatZ and the game knowledge edge to Tasteless. Personally I think it's going to be a much closer match than some people think. A lot of people missed this but, Special (a sc2 pro) also tried bw for some days a couple weeks ago. https://www.twitch.tv/tastelesstv/clip/IntelligentTemperedHyenaTwitchRPG?tt_medium=mobile_web_share&tt_content=clips_viewing I don't know how much CatZ's mechanical skills are gonna help him if a player with much better mechanics than him still lost to Tasteless. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
On June 11 2020 06:28 BigFan wrote: Unless I'm mistaken, Special played BW before SCII and jumped teams quite a bit. I think his previous id was princess or something? Maybe someone can confirm. yeah i remember him being gosu at BW | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
 GosI(Terran)he qualified for TSL2 I want to say? | ||
thedeadhaji
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TelecoM
United States10705 Posts
EDIT : Also, can't wait for this, when is it happening? This is hype, also thanks to CatZ I will be trying out the cartooned carbot version, like BisuDagger I am also color blind and I am able to see much better on this version, I am not sure if I will play as good on it though, that's my only concern lol | ||
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Kuchikikun
Italy560 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19338 Posts
On June 11 2020 07:51 GGzerG wrote: I'm surprised people don't remember that SpeCiaL was one of the best Foreigner players at one point, I believe he also joined eSTRO or another pro team back in the day as a practice partner or something to that extent, he was a VERY good BW player. EDIT : Also, can't wait for this, when is it happening? This is hype, also thanks to CatZ I will be trying out the cartooned carbot version, like BisuDagger I am also color blind and I am able to see much better on this version, I am not sure if I will play as good on it though, that's my only concern lol Yeah, Special was legit. I think his old ID "major" was also used in BW at the end of his career with SC1. | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
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