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Jae Zedong
Profile Joined September 2016
407 Posts
June 14 2020 17:17 GMT
#101
I’m just saying they can be exploited, otherwise I should have no business winning easily if they’re supposed to be anywhere near 1900. The reason human ELO is lower than bot ELO is probably because people are playing standard against them and not using bot-defeating techniques.

Just form a really good defensive line with 2-3 bases, safe in the knowledge the bot will ram its head against it using nothing more sophisticated than range-edging. Then you can just let it have the rest of the map and clean up when it runs out of gas.
Tyrant.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10686 Posts
June 14 2020 17:48 GMT
#102
On June 15 2020 02:17 Jae Zedong wrote:
I’m just saying they can be exploited, otherwise I should have no business winning easily if they’re supposed to be anywhere near 1900. The reason human ELO is lower than bot ELO is probably because people are playing standard against them and not using bot-defeating techniques.

Just form a really good defensive line with 2-3 bases, safe in the knowledge the bot will ram its head against it using nothing more sophisticated than range-edging. Then you can just let it have the rest of the map and clean up when it runs out of gas.

If you feel the need to play so defensive and cannot play standard vs a bot, then you kinda shouldn't complain about how easy the bot is to defeat, you are not *SUPPOSED* to abuse the bot's AI, you are supposed to use it to improve upon your own skills, or use your own skills to prove it is not as good. If you are a good player I don't think there is the need to abuse the AI's weakness's lol
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Jae Zedong
Profile Joined September 2016
407 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-14 18:08:31
June 14 2020 18:07 GMT
#103
On June 15 2020 02:48 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2020 02:17 Jae Zedong wrote:
I’m just saying they can be exploited, otherwise I should have no business winning easily if they’re supposed to be anywhere near 1900. The reason human ELO is lower than bot ELO is probably because people are playing standard against them and not using bot-defeating techniques.

Just form a really good defensive line with 2-3 bases, safe in the knowledge the bot will ram its head against it using nothing more sophisticated than range-edging. Then you can just let it have the rest of the map and clean up when it runs out of gas.

If you feel the need to play so defensive and cannot play standard vs a bot, then you kinda shouldn't complain about how easy the bot is to defeat, you are not *SUPPOSED* to abuse the bot's AI, you are supposed to use it to improve upon your own skills, or use your own skills to prove it is not as good. If you are a good player I don't think there is the need to abuse the AI's weakness's lol


Playing standard vs computers is just tying one hand behind your back for no reason. Kasparov was under no obligation to play ”standard” against Deep Blue. The reason it’s considered a hallmark achievement for AI is because Kasparov didn’t hold back.
Tyrant.
Sonko
Profile Joined February 2019
154 Posts
June 14 2020 21:32 GMT
#104
It is a continuous process. Bot authors are always working on improving their bots, and watching the replays - if you submit some for us (best place is the SCHNAIL discord), I'm sure that will be appreciated - and next time maybe you won't win that easy

We are really in the starting stages now - and bear in mind, development takes a long time - fixing a "small error" that causes an exploit can take weeks.

Also, you really shouldn't hold back - if you exploit an AI, then the game has less practice value, but it doesn't mean you didn't win fair and square.
A site about brood war AI: www.makingcomputerdothings.com
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10253 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-15 05:00:33
June 15 2020 04:57 GMT
#105
I have looked through the FAQ and site and I have run into two problems not covered there:

1. Even though I have already proven these settings work with my native install of 1.16, when I try to launch SCHNAIL in full screen, the game is stretched. Any known work-arounds for this? I much prefer full screen over windowed.

2. When I request a match, I end up in a lobby all by myself. No one joins. When I start the game, it says "Failure to load AI module." Then the client crashes when I go back to it if I click on it, because the dialog box stalls out.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Sonko
Profile Joined February 2019
154 Posts
June 15 2020 08:29 GMT
#106
On June 15 2020 13:57 Jealous wrote:
I have looked through the FAQ and site and I have run into two problems not covered there:

1. Even though I have already proven these settings work with my native install of 1.16, when I try to launch SCHNAIL in full screen, the game is stretched. Any known work-arounds for this? I much prefer full screen over windowed.

2. When I request a match, I end up in a lobby all by myself. No one joins. When I start the game, it says "Failure to load AI module." Then the client crashes when I go back to it if I click on it, because the dialog box stalls out.


1. Can't say much, could be a local issue, needs investigation.

2. Check if your bwheadless.exe in the schnail/bwheadless folder. If there is no bwheadless.exe, extract the bwheadless.rar from there, and an exception to Windows defender for the .exe - sometimes it silently deletes it because it thinks it's a trojan or something. This will be added to FAQ.
A site about brood war AI: www.makingcomputerdothings.com
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10253 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-15 17:11:03
June 15 2020 16:26 GMT
#107
On June 15 2020 17:29 Sonko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2020 13:57 Jealous wrote:
I have looked through the FAQ and site and I have run into two problems not covered there:

1. Even though I have already proven these settings work with my native install of 1.16, when I try to launch SCHNAIL in full screen, the game is stretched. Any known work-arounds for this? I much prefer full screen over windowed.

2. When I request a match, I end up in a lobby all by myself. No one joins. When I start the game, it says "Failure to load AI module." Then the client crashes when I go back to it if I click on it, because the dialog box stalls out.


1. Can't say much, could be a local issue, needs investigation.

2. Check if your bwheadless.exe in the schnail/bwheadless folder. If there is no bwheadless.exe, extract the bwheadless.rar from there, and an exception to Windows defender for the .exe - sometimes it silently deletes it because it thinks it's a trojan or something. This will be added to FAQ.

1. After reviewing the settings, I realized that I didn't have "Perform scaling on:" set to "GPU." This fixed the issue for me and allows me to play full screen with black bars.

2. I added the exclusion from Virus protection to the folder, extracted bwheadless.exe manually, and was able to load up a game! Strangely, I still got a bunch of errors at the start, but the bot I matched with seemed to play normally.

Thanks!

EDIT: Successful first ranked match Seems like all is working well. My only new complaint is that "morph archon" has a default hotkey of "K" when it should be "R" for the English version.

EDIT 2: Just confirmed, it is "R" and is listed as "default" in the client, but for whatever reason mine came packaged with it set to "K" even though it is not default. Strange

EDIT 3: When trying to launch a replay on the site through OpenBW, I get "Patch_rt.mpq failed" error.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Sonko
Profile Joined February 2019
154 Posts
June 16 2020 05:08 GMT
#108
On June 16 2020 01:26 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2020 17:29 Sonko wrote:
On June 15 2020 13:57 Jealous wrote:
I have looked through the FAQ and site and I have run into two problems not covered there:

1. Even though I have already proven these settings work with my native install of 1.16, when I try to launch SCHNAIL in full screen, the game is stretched. Any known work-arounds for this? I much prefer full screen over windowed.

2. When I request a match, I end up in a lobby all by myself. No one joins. When I start the game, it says "Failure to load AI module." Then the client crashes when I go back to it if I click on it, because the dialog box stalls out.


1. Can't say much, could be a local issue, needs investigation.

2. Check if your bwheadless.exe in the schnail/bwheadless folder. If there is no bwheadless.exe, extract the bwheadless.rar from there, and an exception to Windows defender for the .exe - sometimes it silently deletes it because it thinks it's a trojan or something. This will be added to FAQ.

1. After reviewing the settings, I realized that I didn't have "Perform scaling on:" set to "GPU." This fixed the issue for me and allows me to play full screen with black bars.

2. I added the exclusion from Virus protection to the folder, extracted bwheadless.exe manually, and was able to load up a game! Strangely, I still got a bunch of errors at the start, but the bot I matched with seemed to play normally.

Thanks!

EDIT: Successful first ranked match Seems like all is working well. My only new complaint is that "morph archon" has a default hotkey of "K" when it should be "R" for the English version.

EDIT 2: Just confirmed, it is "R" and is listed as "default" in the client, but for whatever reason mine came packaged with it set to "K" even though it is not default. Strange

EDIT 3: When trying to launch a replay on the site through OpenBW, I get "Patch_rt.mpq failed" error.


Check the OpenBW instructions here, you need to specify the 1.16 mpq files for it to work. Btw, it is not developed by us, it's just a convenience feature on SCHNAIL.
A site about brood war AI: www.makingcomputerdothings.com
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10253 Posts
June 16 2020 15:31 GMT
#109
On June 16 2020 14:08 Sonko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2020 01:26 Jealous wrote:
On June 15 2020 17:29 Sonko wrote:
On June 15 2020 13:57 Jealous wrote:
I have looked through the FAQ and site and I have run into two problems not covered there:

1. Even though I have already proven these settings work with my native install of 1.16, when I try to launch SCHNAIL in full screen, the game is stretched. Any known work-arounds for this? I much prefer full screen over windowed.

2. When I request a match, I end up in a lobby all by myself. No one joins. When I start the game, it says "Failure to load AI module." Then the client crashes when I go back to it if I click on it, because the dialog box stalls out.


1. Can't say much, could be a local issue, needs investigation.

2. Check if your bwheadless.exe in the schnail/bwheadless folder. If there is no bwheadless.exe, extract the bwheadless.rar from there, and an exception to Windows defender for the .exe - sometimes it silently deletes it because it thinks it's a trojan or something. This will be added to FAQ.

1. After reviewing the settings, I realized that I didn't have "Perform scaling on:" set to "GPU." This fixed the issue for me and allows me to play full screen with black bars.

2. I added the exclusion from Virus protection to the folder, extracted bwheadless.exe manually, and was able to load up a game! Strangely, I still got a bunch of errors at the start, but the bot I matched with seemed to play normally.

Thanks!

EDIT: Successful first ranked match Seems like all is working well. My only new complaint is that "morph archon" has a default hotkey of "K" when it should be "R" for the English version.

EDIT 2: Just confirmed, it is "R" and is listed as "default" in the client, but for whatever reason mine came packaged with it set to "K" even though it is not default. Strange

EDIT 3: When trying to launch a replay on the site through OpenBW, I get "Patch_rt.mpq failed" error.


Check the OpenBW instructions here, you need to specify the 1.16 mpq files for it to work. Btw, it is not developed by us, it's just a convenience feature on SCHNAIL.

Ah thanks, I forgot that I didn't have it set up on this PC.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Sonko
Profile Joined February 2019
154 Posts
June 24 2020 18:10 GMT
#110
This is important. Please refrain from commenting on the events on this thread - there is another one for it on TL.

A site about brood war AI: www.makingcomputerdothings.com
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10253 Posts
June 24 2020 20:25 GMT
#111
I hope it's fine that I post the link to the aforementioned thread in question so people can easily access it:

https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/560609-sexual-harassment-abuse-in-starcraft-2
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
thederpness
Profile Joined April 2020
1 Post
June 29 2020 02:30 GMT
#112
Hey folks, trying to get the client to work, and I can't log on, plus I can't change password or register a new account on the website. Anyone else having these problems too, or am I just dense?
thcchoi
Profile Joined November 2011
2 Posts
June 29 2020 12:53 GMT
#113
On June 29 2020 11:30 thederpness wrote:
Hey folks, trying to get the client to work, and I can't log on, plus I can't change password or register a new account on the website. Anyone else having these problems too, or am I just dense?


having the same issue here. Can anyone help me out?
Btw does the client have the bgm as well? When it was working yesterday, even with the background music volume up,
I didn't hear any bgm. only sound effects were working. Is it just me?

Any help wud be much appreciated. Thx in advance.
Sonko
Profile Joined February 2019
154 Posts
June 30 2020 07:51 GMT
#114
Hey,

Yesterday the login/registration was down for a few hours - the issue has been fixed since.
A site about brood war AI: www.makingcomputerdothings.com
thcchoi
Profile Joined November 2011
2 Posts
June 30 2020 08:57 GMT
#115
the programme only runs with the integrated GPU.
Is there any way of making it run with eGPU?
My every other game runs with eGPU without an issue.
Thanks!
Sonko
Profile Joined February 2019
154 Posts
June 30 2020 10:09 GMT
#116
On June 30 2020 17:57 thcchoi wrote:
the programme only runs with the integrated GPU.
Is there any way of making it run with eGPU?
My every other game runs with eGPU without an issue.
Thanks!


You mean the SCHNAIL client itself, right? In short, probably, but I don't really see the point - it is not too heavy on system resources. Did you have any performance problems?
A site about brood war AI: www.makingcomputerdothings.com
Sonko
Profile Joined February 2019
154 Posts
June 30 2020 12:57 GMT
#117
I have great news for everyone! (Posting this with the admin's approval - I'm aware that this is promotion)

[image loading]

Finally, the magnificient SCHNAIL plushie is here!
Your very own plush schnail! Available only for 30 days!
What is a schnail? It is some alien creature that is very cute, and might also eat you! It is also a mascot for the StarCraft Human 'N' AI League.

Get yours during this limited run!

It is cute, fluffy, adorable, and it can be yours right now. (Approx 20 cm long). Made from fabric.

The price contains FREE shipping worldwide!

ATTENTION: This is a pre-order page for the Schnail plushie . The orders will be fulfilled after a 30-day preorder period, given sufficient order quantity. If the minimum amount of orders is not reached, your order will be refunded.

LIMITED RUN! Pre-order ends on Aug. 1st!

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A site about brood war AI: www.makingcomputerdothings.com
Sonko
Profile Joined February 2019
154 Posts
July 02 2020 12:03 GMT
#118
I'll just leave this here



July 4th, 16:00 CEDT / 10:00 EST!
A site about brood war AI: www.makingcomputerdothings.com
ruhtraeel
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada125 Posts
July 03 2020 19:58 GMT
#119
On July 02 2020 21:03 Sonko wrote:
I'll just leave this here

https://twitter.com/makingcomputer1/status/1278584469189021697

July 4th, 16:00 CEDT / 10:00 EST!


Are these randomly selected AutoSaved replays?

I don't give consent for SCHNAIL to show me losing to Chris Coxe's 4 pool 5 games in a row :-(
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10253 Posts
July 03 2020 22:05 GMT
#120
On July 04 2020 04:58 ruhtraeel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2020 21:03 Sonko wrote:
I'll just leave this here

https://twitter.com/makingcomputer1/status/1278584469189021697

July 4th, 16:00 CEDT / 10:00 EST!


Are these randomly selected AutoSaved replays?

I don't give consent for SCHNAIL to show me losing to Chris Coxe's 4 pool 5 games in a row :-(

Your replays are automatically uploaded to the site, and your opponent always has a copy of a game you played, technically only one of you needs to consent...
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
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