New matchmaking algorithm (built in VPN)

On August 09 2019 13:35 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sweet! This is a good thing right? TR20 is pretty good all things considered.

On August 09 2019 13:55 iRk-AGge wrote:
Yeah I get alot of games vs koreans since the new patch.

On August 09 2019 23:31 Waxangel wrote:
someone tell me if this is good or bad so I know if I should praise or disparage blizzard

On August 09 2019 23:31 Waxangel wrote:
someone tell me if this is good or bad so I know if I should praise or disparage blizzard

On August 10 2019 01:51 WGT-Baal wrote:
Same, lots of korean, good latency, games in less than 30s. So props for that.
However wide MMR range of opponent from 1400 foreigners to 1900+ kr (i m around 1650~). Good way to improve though for sure

On August 10 2019 03:03 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:


And they all are very talkative!!! Haha

Wish I could put phrases together better other than GL and HF

On August 10 2019 04:24 9-BiT wrote:
5/5 on koreans today, all TR20 too. My mmr might suffer but I'm happy.

Wow this is the dream!!! I saw Artosis had constant lag problems playing from Korea (?), so apparently there's some fine tuning to do there

(maybe the game initiates the built in VPN basesd on language-locale? that would be silly)

On August 10 2019 22:46 SuGo wrote:
Artosis' lag problems were very likely just coincidental and not at all related to this. It's just a one off situation where lag could occur for anyone for a variety of reasons.

Don't let a 'change/update' that happened skew your opinion just because you see a laggy scenario once or twice somewhere else. This change also has nothing to do with people residing in Korea; in all actuality, the change is minimal for Koreans given that they're still only pairing with foreigners in a small percentage of their total matches. Primarily, they will still continue to pair one another in an overwhelming majority. Minimal change in the eyes of Korea (or should be anyways).

More over, it's probably the biggest change for NA since it's constant pairing to KR given that many in NA can achieve an average of TR16+ with Koreans.

Lastly, it's probably the smallest change for Europeans because in general, parts of Europe were never able to achieve a true average of TR16 low with Koreans. But still, there will be folks in Europe regardless, who will get the pairings and also pair to NA more frequently at least. Still beneficial overall because now the gates are open to pair to NA with increased flexibility perhaps.

Overall, this change should be better for everyone and it's unlikely that Koreans complain about TR16 Low. In my experience so far and many others I've seen, Koreans don't seem to be complaining at all when it's truly TR16 Low. This is also shown in the fact that when utilizing a VPN which could have spikes and lag during a game (it could go from TR8-TR16 several times within a game sometimes), Koreans can see that and hate it. So they cheese you and BM you. In this new update, it's not like that -- they don't talk, they don't really care, and seem to just play regular games because it's a very stable connection overall (from NA perspective I can speak, obviously).

Also, stop saying "built in VPN" - it's not a VPN and has nothing to do with a VPN.

It's about averages and the correct ping/average associated with the next player in queue, not to do with location or re-routing your connection. It's about fine tuning these averages (keeping it simple) so Blizzard could allow such pairings to happen. It's not like overnight NA is able to achieve TR16 with Koreans, this networking/infrastructure already existed. It's not like Blizzard can fix your connection and improve your natural latency. They can't fix a Peruvian connection, some things are simply what they are... they're not working with your internet provider. So please understand this.

For instance, if Blizzard said "ok, average 200 ping = TR14, but we don't allow average TR14 to pair to Korea, you won't pair them" ... but in all actuality, the threshold is average TR16 and an average ping of ~200-220 ping, let's say. So if Blizzard changes the scale and says "ok, well, 200 ping is actually equal to TR16, so let's change the scale" -- then bam, now you're pairing to Koreans because before the ping to TR scale was a bit off (equating TR14 to average pings that should rightfully be associated with TR16). Keep this type of simplified example in mind.

Anyways, what do I know Good luck and have fun for those that can achieve the new pairings...

On August 12 2019 02:41 EndingLife wrote:
My 5 placement games last night were pretty rough. I matched one 2300, three 2200 and one 2100+. All Koreans, all tr16-tr20.

On August 12 2019 05:53 Liquid`Drone wrote:
yeah I'm loving this. Getting matched with koreans, but they start asking me what my race is in korean instead of insulting with broken english due to lag. It's swell.

On August 12 2019 19:50 Liquid`Drone wrote:
ya I random cuz I dunno what to pick and I want to play all races but no mirrors, not really cause I care about the advantage, so whenever people ask I do tell the truth.

On August 13 2019 02:04 Liquid`Drone wrote:
if I'm ranking matchups based on how fun I think they are, it's basically something like

zvt > tvp > zvp > pvz > pvt > tvz > tvt > pvp >>> zvz

can't have zvz be 1/3 of it. keep petitioning blizzard to implement race picking though

On August 13 2019 17:09 onlystar wrote:
The most important reason for supporting racepicking nowardays in my opinion is time management with the player base growing older we dont have time to spend hours grinding the ladder. And Still want to play the matchups competitively we enjoy the most.

They should give racepicking. Back to the bw community as it has always been part of laddering

On August 13 2019 23:36 Bonyth wrote:
So here is one rare possibility:
player A plays: ZvZ, TvT, PvP
player B plays: ZvP, ZvT, TvZ

these players will never meet on ladder. Of course this is a silly example, have nothing against race picking.

On August 13 2019 23:11 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I have still to hear an even remotely coherent and logically founded argument against race picking (aside from possible difficulty of implementing, which I can't comment on) in ladder and am curious to hear yours..

On August 14 2019 00:21 Liquid`Drone wrote:
race picking does not mean you should be allowed to play only zvp. I'm 100% against that. Race picking means that you can choose your own race against every other race - not that you are allowed to dodge any matchups. It does mean you can choose pvt instead of zvt, but it does not mean you can dodge playing vs terrans. Either way you need to be proficient at equally many matchups. And someone who only plays 1 zerg matchup won't really be considered a zerg player anyway..

On August 15 2019 02:23 blackmanpl wrote:
I just quit against tr 14, idk why ppl would even want to play high or anything below tr20, simply not fun. Should be an option to omit players from asia and south america. No fun in that, and much waste of time.

On August 15 2019 02:23 blackmanpl wrote:
I just quit against tr 14, idk why ppl would even want to play high or anything below tr20, simply not fun. Should be an option to omit players from asia and south america. No fun in that, and much waste of time.

On August 14 2019 12:35 AttackZerg wrote:
I dropped from low 1900s to low 1700s.

Is anyone else just getting brutalized?

I thought playing 20 games on iccup every few months kept me relevant-decent. Started playing on remastered this week, climbed to 1900s, switch happened and now I am getting leveled, by similar ranked people.

Is this everyone?

On August 20 2019 17:20 kogeT wrote:
I realized that setting a "wrong gateway" in your battle.net app (e.g you are in europe but you pick asia/americas or vice versa) will result in horrible lag, so be careful.

On August 14 2019 12:35 AttackZerg wrote:
I dropped from low 1900s to low 1700s.

Is anyone else just getting brutalized?

I thought playing 20 games on iccup every few months kept me relevant-decent. Started playing on remastered this week, climbed to 1900s, switch happened and now I am getting leveled, by similar ranked people.

Is this everyone?

On August 14 2019 12:35 AttackZerg wrote:
I dropped from low 1900s to low 1700s.

Is anyone else just getting brutalized?

I thought playing 20 games on iccup every few months kept me relevant-decent. Started playing on remastered this week, climbed to 1900s, switch happened and now I am getting leveled, by similar ranked people.

Is this everyone?

On August 22 2019 23:11 StRyKeR wrote:
It's also possible that because the ladders have essentially been region locked before, their scale is just very different from ours. It's hard to believe 1600 being expected to be that good though.

On August 22 2019 23:11 StRyKeR wrote:


Yup. Facing Koreans 90% of games. A lot of them are 1600, 1700 MMR and they turn out to be macro gods. Virtually every Korean I've faced had solid mechanics.

My theory is that many of these players just leave match ups they don't like, and that's why they have low MMR (they essentially auto-lose 33% of their games). I've had a bunch of Koreans also leave because of lag right after game starts (they're used to TR24 so TR16 is laggy for them lol).

It's also possible that because the ladders have essentially been region locked before, their scale is just very different from ours. It's hard to believe 1600 being expected to be that good though.

On August 23 2019 00:27 Q~Bert wrote:


It is possible that they are a bit lower than where they should be but still it would not be far off. I am having little trouble with the ~2000 koreans much less the 1600s. I think it was actually quite exaggerated how much better the korean ladder is in terms of comparative MMRs. For instance SuGo would say that 2300 on foreign ladder would equate to 2050 MMR on korean ladder. This is in no way true in my experience.