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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
August 13 2019 13:25 GMT
#61
I personally disagree with race picking for matchup in ladder.

I do think random (and maybe anyone) should be able to select 1 (or 3 for random) matchups that they would like to avoid, similar to map preferences. I have blockchain on my list of dont play. Out of 75 games. 0 block chain.

Currently sc2 is constant zvzs but at least it isnt as brutal on the body as bw zvz.

Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28641 Posts
August 13 2019 14:11 GMT
#62
I have still to hear an even remotely coherent and logically founded argument against race picking (aside from possible difficulty of implementing, which I can't comment on) in ladder and am curious to hear yours..
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Bonyth
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland554 Posts
August 13 2019 14:36 GMT
#63
So here is one rare possibility:
player A plays: ZvZ, TvT, PvP
player B plays: ZvP, ZvT, TvZ

these players will never meet on ladder. Of course this is a silly example, have nothing against race picking.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28641 Posts
August 13 2019 14:43 GMT
#64
On August 13 2019 23:36 Bonyth wrote:
So here is one rare possibility:
player A plays: ZvZ, TvT, PvP
player B plays: ZvP, ZvT, TvZ

these players will never meet on ladder. Of course this is a silly example, have nothing against race picking.


Ya there's a 'remote possibility' of that happening. Simple solution is that when choosing your 'vs-race' (this is only relevant for people who are race picking), you have to choose a 'vs random-race' in addition, and in the event where two players don't have corresponding matchups, both get their vs-random race. (Every race picker will prefer the option of race picking and having weird matchups happen less than 1% over having to play a matchup they don't like 33% of the time. )
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
August 13 2019 15:17 GMT
#65
On August 13 2019 23:11 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I have still to hear an even remotely coherent and logically founded argument against race picking (aside from possible difficulty of implementing, which I can't comment on) in ladder and am curious to hear yours..


I think race picking should be allowed in any tournament online or offline or match ect.

I support the idea of selecting matchups, just not for ladder.... and tbh Eri, I am willing to explore my wrongness.

I think a 2k mmr zerg should be the same as the next.
A 2k zerg that only plays zvp is not the same as a 2k player playing versus all races.

If we can seperate mmr by matchup, then yes sure ofc.

I have a long standing grudge against forced races, e.g, I think Rets career was really buggered by anti-multiracial bias.

The only logical arguments are implementation based, you kind of short circuited a broad range of attack angles there 8)


For practice - nothing would be better then allowing for matchup preferences.

As it stands, it would be kinda lame if someone is ranked as my zerg equal while avoiding 1 or 2 matchups that make zerg hard.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28641 Posts
August 13 2019 15:21 GMT
#66
race picking does not mean you should be allowed to play only zvp. I'm 100% against that. Race picking means that you can choose your own race against every other race - not that you are allowed to dodge any matchups. It does mean you can choose pvt instead of zvt, but it does not mean you can dodge playing vs terrans. Either way you need to be proficient at equally many matchups. And someone who only plays 1 zerg matchup won't really be considered a zerg player anyway..
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
August 13 2019 15:33 GMT
#67
On August 14 2019 00:21 Liquid`Drone wrote:
race picking does not mean you should be allowed to play only zvp. I'm 100% against that. Race picking means that you can choose your own race against every other race - not that you are allowed to dodge any matchups. It does mean you can choose pvt instead of zvt, but it does not mean you can dodge playing vs terrans. Either way you need to be proficient at equally many matchups. And someone who only plays 1 zerg matchup won't really be considered a zerg player anyway..


Hmmm.... if it only means, " I have the option to choose p versus zerg instead of zerg" then I can't be against it but I think a matchup mmr would be more appropriate for describing said persons objective skill.

Somehow I correlated race picking with matchup picking.
(Good Morning from Cali).

I think my matchup preference idea is the easiest implementation and it would bypass the 1-1000 situation, you two mentioned before.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
August 14 2019 03:35 GMT
#68
I dropped from low 1900s to low 1700s.

Is anyone else just getting brutalized?

I thought playing 20 games on iccup every few months kept me relevant-decent. Started playing on remastered this week, climbed to 1900s, switch happened and now I am getting leveled, by similar ranked people.

Is this everyone?
Counc1l
Profile Joined April 2019
33 Posts
August 14 2019 04:57 GMT
#69
This happens a lot. It's extremely common for peoples' mmr swinging by a few hundred points and it's possible you are meeting a lot of koreans who are just at a higher level at a given mmr. Also you might be losing to people with lower mmr than you because it is easy to underestimate them and play badly. Happens all the time for me. You will probably go back up soon.
blackmanpl
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
63 Posts
August 14 2019 17:23 GMT
#70
I just quit against tr 14, idk why ppl would even want to play high or anything below tr20, simply not fun. Should be an option to omit players from asia and south america. No fun in that, and much waste of time.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
August 14 2019 19:35 GMT
#71
I accept the lag as a price of good competition but I understand how lame it is to have no micro zvt cuz of lag.
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3352 Posts
August 14 2019 20:36 GMT
#72
On August 14 2019 12:35 AttackZerg wrote:
I dropped from low 1900s to low 1700s.

Is anyone else just getting brutalized?

I thought playing 20 games on iccup every few months kept me relevant-decent. Started playing on remastered this week, climbed to 1900s, switch happened and now I am getting leveled, by similar ranked people.

Is this everyone?


Yes. Dropped from 1700~ to fighting to survive at 1500, 90% koreans
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seriosity
Profile Joined July 2009
United States214 Posts
August 14 2019 20:52 GMT
#73
On August 15 2019 02:23 blackmanpl wrote:
I just quit against tr 14, idk why ppl would even want to play high or anything below tr20, simply not fun. Should be an option to omit players from asia and south america. No fun in that, and much waste of time.


except for when they did for 20 years
chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
August 14 2019 21:48 GMT
#74
On August 15 2019 02:23 blackmanpl wrote:
I just quit against tr 14, idk why ppl would even want to play high or anything below tr20, simply not fun. Should be an option to omit players from asia and south america. No fun in that, and much waste of time.

Before remastered highest TR was TR16 as in 0 ping LAN.
I live in Russia. I wear the fufaika, valenoks and the shapka-ushanka with the red star. I drink vodka straight from the samovar, and my riding bear plays on the balalaika.
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
August 15 2019 01:57 GMT
#75
been finding games to be much laggier on average.
blabberrrrr
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-15 02:45:33
August 15 2019 02:43 GMT
#76
On August 14 2019 12:35 AttackZerg wrote:
I dropped from low 1900s to low 1700s.

Is anyone else just getting brutalized?

I thought playing 20 games on iccup every few months kept me relevant-decent. Started playing on remastered this week, climbed to 1900s, switch happened and now I am getting leveled, by similar ranked people.

Is this everyone?


I think most people who played a lot recently outside Korea probably are getting much worse results. Korean players are just a lot better than foreigner players even for the same mmr. Like a Korean 1600s-1700s player is probably comparable in strength to like an 1800 foreigner playe

Edit: Also, in my experience, the ladder has been way harder for me as zerg but when I play protoss it's still ok. I feel like Koreans are much better in PvZ.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
August 15 2019 03:57 GMT
#77
The sheer amount of effort I put into bw in the last 12 hrs is embarrassing. Back to 1850s but with how hard I strained to get back and stay here... it is safe to say my days in the top 10% are long over 8)(
QuadroX
Profile Joined August 2017
386 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-20 06:55:21
August 20 2019 06:54 GMT
#78
Queue times are longer now. Anyone noticed? Looks like we're back to where we were. In the morning it's impossible to find a good match (and now VPN is no longer gives you anything).
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2037 Posts
August 20 2019 08:20 GMT
#79
I realized that setting a "wrong gateway" in your battle.net app (e.g you are in europe but you pick asia/americas or vice versa) will result in horrible lag, so be careful.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
August 20 2019 09:29 GMT
#80
On August 20 2019 17:20 kogeT wrote:
I realized that setting a "wrong gateway" in your battle.net app (e.g you are in europe but you pick asia/americas or vice versa) will result in horrible lag, so be careful.


it might be a coincidence. have you tried with the same person? I've just checked the blizzard sc forum, they gave us the turnrate latency(? ms) table.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
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